Ban all carry on luggage???

Spartanacus

Can you believe some cowards are suggesting this?

Read this story, the replies, and my reply below (I couldn't get one to go through on the site)...

http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/2006/08/a_whole_new_way.html#below-fold

Banning all carry-ons is absurd. Unless the airlines can pony up better food, drinks, snacks, baby formula, diapers, wipes, and some decent form of entertainment besides the air travel shopping guides and crappy tv shows, then this isn't going to happen. Of course, if it did happen and the airlines made those provisions accessible to us, we'd pay for it out the nose, and air travel would take a "nose dive" and the air travel industry would further suffer financially.

RockinInCanada

Spartancus wrote:

Can you believe some cowards are suggesting this?

Read this story, the replies, and my reply below (I couldn't get one to go through on the site)...

http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/2006/08/a_whole_new_way.html#below-fold

Banning all carry-ons is absurd. Unless the airlines can pony up better food, drinks, snacks, baby formula, diapers, wipes, and some decent form of entertainment besides the air travel shopping guides and crappy tv shows, then this isn't going to happen. Of course, if it did happen and the airlines made those provisions accessible to us, we'd pay for it out the nose, and air travel would take a "nose dive" and the air travel industry would further suffer financially.

Better bring some extra cash to purchase neccesary goods upon landing...

ladygooddiva

for now i think it´s ok bec. they don´t know anything but if this is over and solved i don´t think it will be repeat ...

hippiemom

Screw it ... if that's the way it's going to be, I won't fly. Ban all carry-ons? Are they insane? Have you ever had your luggage take a trip that you weren't on, and not get it back for three days? I have, and I don't even fly that often. I always take a change of clothes and whatever personal items I need to get me through one day in case my luggage doesn't materialize. Some people need medications, special foods, baby formula, there's a huge list. And just for simple convenience sake, who in their right mind would get on a six-hour flight without a book, a laptop, an iPod, something to keep themselves amused? The clouds are only fun to look at for a few minutes.

There are places I'd like to fly to, but if it means being treated like a common criminal and forced to spend 6-10 hours on a plane doing nothing but reading the in-flight catalog, then the hell with it.

Figures ... just when I get over my fear of flying, they make flying intolerable.

onelongsong

it's about time! on every flight i've ever taken; i've seen several people hit in the head by someone trying to load baggage in the overhead storage. i can see a purse and maybe a purse sized soft sided bag; but not the luggage people try to carry on. i do look forward to getting hit in the head myself so i can sue the airline.

Spartanacus

onelongsong wrote:

it's about time! on every flight i've ever taken; i've seen several people hit in the head by someone trying to load baggage in the overhead storage. i can see a purse and maybe a purse sized soft sided bag; but not the luggage people try to carry on. i do look forward to getting hit in the head myself so i can sue the airline.

I agree that a lot of people abuse the carry-on rule, and I don't think the airlines are that strict about making you shove your bag in that little metal guide box to make sure it fits...nor have I ever seen anyone do that themselves, probably for fear of their carry-on being too big.

Those little mini-rolling suitcases that barely fit in the overheads should be banned. Like you said though, a purse, or soft tote bag of some sort (the size of a BIG purse) should be okay.

It always pisses me right off to see some jackass trying to shove his or her bag in there and taking there sweet old time. I don't understand the problem...find your freaking seat, lift up the bin, put your bag in it and sit down! And if you are carrying on more than you should, then buy an extra seat for it!

ladygooddiva

Berndt Georg Thamm, terrorism expert:

"The culprit circles, especially what the Islamist terrorism, have the possibility unfortunately, at commercial, but also at military explosive materials to to approach and before this background the possibility, fluid explosive material into various case also to bring in, that not readily of the detectors recognizable made will can."

Uncle Leo

onelongsong wrote:

it's about time! on every flight i've ever taken; i've seen several people hit in the head by someone trying to load baggage in the overhead storage. i can see a purse and maybe a purse sized soft sided bag; but not the luggage people try to carry on. i do look forward to getting hit in the head myself so i can sue the airline.

I agree. It drives me nuts that people refuse to check bags. I bring a carry on with a change of socks/underwear, a book and my IPOD. It goes below the seat in front of me. I have never used an overhead. Do things happen to checked bags sometimes? Yes. So what. I know it's a risk when I fly.

I think if it is needed for safety, they should install it, for now anyway. And when they start letting carry-ons back on--they should enforce the size/number rules and make some people check their stuff.

qtegirl

Baby formula IS allowed.

OneLove

If the airlines do ban all carry on luggage, they sure better also be willing to improve the likliehood that youre checked baggage actually gets to where it was supposed to be.

Can you imagine arriving somehwere with literally nothing? Ok, meds and your wallet, but literally nothing else? No cell phone to call anyone? Yikes.
Its all a big plot for the airports to make more money on their payphones haha

To be honest, I think doing everything possible to prevent another attack is a good thing, within reason. But eventually, if we don't fix the root problem here (which no one seems to be willing to do at this point), there WILL be another attack at some point. IMHO

SoonForgotten2

What a complete joke. It won't last, if for no reason other than for the sake of all the shops in the airports that depend on selling items such as books, eletronics, food and drinks that people then carry onboard. And I really don't see airlines getting away with making people check their laptops- that's so stupid, it's not even remotely amusing.

OneLove

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

What a complete joke. It won't last, if for no reason other than for the sake of all the shops in the airports that depend on selling items such as books, eletronics, food and drinks that people then carry onboard. And I really don't see airlines getting away with making people check their laptops- that's so stupid, it's not even remotely amusing.

My guess is that TSA is banking on folks being more worried about arriving at their destination unharmed then wether or not their laptops have been tossed around the luggage bay like a ragdoll. I'm not saying its right though.

Can you imagine the costs that TSA and the airlines would incur with all of the claims resulting from checked laptops?

tybird

The pawn shop lobby is all for this.......increased business and selection as luggage jockeys have more of our stuff to plunder if we have to check everything. I would never check any of my camera equipment, spotting scope or binoculars............I am quite sure that they would not follow me to my destination.

the unseen

the bomb that blew up the plane over scottland in the 80's was concealled in checked baggage.....

if someone wants to get a bomb on board bad enough they will think of a way to do it.

banning carry ons,liquids and electronic equipment for more than a day or so plays into the fears the fuckheads want us to have.....and means they have won a small battle even if the plane wasnt blown up.

onelongsong

Uncle Leo wrote:

I agree. It drives me nuts that people refuse to check bags. I bring a carry on with a change of socks/underwear, a book and my IPOD. It goes below the seat in front of me. I have never used an overhead. Do things happen to checked bags sometimes? Yes. So what. I know it's a risk when I fly.

I think if it is needed for safety, they should install it, for now anyway. And when they start letting carry-ons back on--they should enforce the size/number rules and make some people check their stuff.

i went to hawaii and my luggage went to atlanta. i got it a couple days later. no big deal. i carried on a small soft sided bag with meds and necessities and all was fine. not so for the little lady that looked 150 yrs old who was hit in the head with a hardsided suitcase. she was taken off with injuries. like i said; i'm waiting for my turn to sue.

another problem i see is fat people who can't fit down the aisle. imagine having to evacuate the plane in an emergency.

ladygooddiva

i just wondering what they do with people who needs to carry their medicine stuff (for example asma or diabetes )

onelongsong

ladygooddiva wrote:

i just wondering what they do with people who needs to carry their medicine stuff (for example asma or diabetes )

i don't think a purse is considered luggage. at least i haven't heard that purses are banned. one needs to carry pasports and other identification too. if you need to carry a hard sided suitcase full of meds you're better off staying home.

ladygooddiva

onelongsong wrote:

i don't think a purse is considered luggage. at least i haven't heard that purses are banned. one needs to carry pasports and other identification too. if you need to carry a hard sided suitcase full of meds you're better off staying home.

but hey if it´s important for the person to fly come on he or she can carry it in the plastic bag and a recept from the doc

Anon

Pretty soon they are gonna make us come to the Airport butt-ass naked, and issue us clothes...our rights are slowly disappearing...

all4

dharma69

ladygooddiva wrote:

i just wondering what they do with people who needs to carry their medicine stuff (for example asma or diabetes )

They allow them.

Prescription meds with the passenger's name on it (all meds, not just insulin and such) are allowed. Put them in clear plastic bags to make things easier.

At the moment all liquids and gels (folks this includes your water, toothpaste, shampoo, perfume, lip gloss, mouthwash, contact solution, eye drops, your $6 cup of Starbucks, etc) MUST go in checked baggage and not in your carry on. That pretty much means your toiletry bag.

You check it or you lose it.

Figure it out, folks. It may be a pain in the ass but it's right now's reality.

onelongsong

all4PearlJam wrote:

Pretty soon they are gonna make us come to the Airport butt-ass naked, and issue us clothes...our rights are slowly disappearing...

all4

just wondering; what rights? where is it written that you have a right to carry on luggage? where is it written you have a right to fly on an airline? driving a car isn't even a right.
if you want to play in their yard you have to follow their rules. if you don't like it; take the bus.

Uncle Leo

ladygooddiva wrote:

i just wondering what they do with people who needs to carry their medicine stuff (for example asma or diabetes )

That's the first thing I thought of. I have pretty bad athsma and carry an inhaler at all times. The inhaler is liquid. Pills are one thing, but I could see a liquid being VERY scruitinized. I'll have to make sure I can have that on me before I fly...

tdub

I am at the airport in Portland, ME right now. carry-ons allowed...actually same as usual except they are being ultra thorough with screenings and are not allowing any liquids of any nature on the planes.

...and we expected this airport to be ultra sensitive since this is where one of the 911 terrorists flew through this airport the morning of the attacks.

hippiemom

These are the rules for now, just in from our travel department:

*In the UK*

Following this morning's police action, security at all UK airports has been increased and additional security measures have been put in place for all flights.

With immediate effect, the following arrangements apply to all passengers starting their journey at a UK airport and to those transferring between flights at a UK airport:

All cabin baggage must be processed as hold baggage and carried in the hold of aircraft departing UK airports.

Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:

• Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents such as money, credit cards, id cards, etc. (not handbags)

• Travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets)

• Prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (e.g., diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic

• Glasses and sunglasses, without cases

• Contact lens holders, without bottles of solution

• For those traveling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight

• Female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed

• Tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs

• Keys (but no electrical key fobs).

All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be X-ray screened.

Wheelchairs and walking aids must be X-ray screened, and only airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point.

In addition to the above, all passengers boarding flights to the U.S. and all the items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, must be subjected to secondary search at the boarding gate.

Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger.

There are no changes to current hold baggage security measures.


*In the U.S.*

In addition, we want to advise travelers that due to heightened security in the U.S., airport officials are currently advising passengers to allow an additional 2 or 3 hours to their normal arrival at the airport, carry as few items in their carry-on as possible and do not attempt to bring liquids as carry-on items.

RockinInCanada

So the mother must drink her breast milk?

hippiemom

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

So the mother must drink her breast milk?

If she doesn't want to drink it, she should keep it in her breast. If it's in a bottle, someone has to drink it.

Eliot Rosewater

Spartancus wrote:

Can you believe some cowards are suggesting this?

Read this story, the replies, and my reply below (I couldn't get one to go through on the site)...

http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/2006/08/a_whole_new_way.html#below-fold

Banning all carry-ons is absurd. Unless the airlines can pony up better food, drinks, snacks, baby formula, diapers, wipes, and some decent form of entertainment besides the air travel shopping guides and crappy tv shows, then this isn't going to happen. Of course, if it did happen and the airlines made those provisions accessible to us, we'd pay for it out the nose, and air travel would take a "nose dive" and the air travel industry would further suffer financially.

The problem with this bullshit that supposedly went down today is that dubya will cite The Patriot Act as a success and people will believe him because they're scared and stupid. Fear allows people to act irrationally and not even realize it. I'm to the point where my first inclination is to assume something like today's "terrorists foiled" headline was staged to rally support against the war on terrorism.

Anon

onelongsong wrote:

just wondering; what rights? where is it written that you have a right to carry on luggage? where is it written you have a right to fly on an airline? driving a car isn't even a right.
if you want to play in their yard you have to follow their rules. if you don't like it; take the bus.

wow, dictatorship supporter are we?? I was talking about the US in general. Security cameras EVERYWHERE, the Patriot Act, and now this. ALL of these things are taking away rights that we have had. And it doesnt matter if it is written. Actually, you have no right TO BREATH; where is THAT written that you have a right to breath? So anything can be said as "not written." We have had these "rights" for sometime now, and they are slowly going away

all4

stuckinline

it's sad that the actions of a handfull of people, can affect millions of travelers, and airport employees

ladygooddiva

dharma69 wrote:

They allow them.

Prescription meds with the passenger's name on it (all meds, not just insulin and such) are allowed. Put them in clear plastic bags to make things easier.

At the moment all liquids and gels (folks this includes your water, toothpaste, shampoo, perfume, lip gloss, mouthwash, contact solution, eye drops, your $6 cup of Starbucks, etc) MUST go in checked baggage and not in your carry on. That pretty much means your toiletry bag.

You check it or you lose it.

Figure it out, folks. It may be a pain in the ass but it's right now's reality.

that´s fine but in some ways this is ....................

onelongsong

all4PearlJam wrote:

wow, dictatorship supporter are we?? I was talking about the US in general. Security cameras EVERYWHERE, the Patriot Act, and now this. ALL of these things are taking away rights that we have had. And it doesnt matter if it is written. Actually, you have no right TO BREATH; where is THAT written that you have a right to breath? So anything can be said as "not written." We have had these "rights" for sometime now, and they are slowly going away

all4

AGAIN what rights are you talking about? what is done in public has always been ok to film. we call it freedom. if security cameras increase my safety; put them everywhere.
next you'll be saying that seat belt laws deprive you of your right to be thrown from a vehicle.
PLEASE; what rights are you talking about?