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Ophelia's Nun

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    DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    snickerdoodle for president


    :D:D:D:D
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    dyaogirldyaogirl Posts: 138
    Originally posted by FinsburyParkCarrots
    I changed the poem a bit but, true to the notion of Bakhtinian dialogics I thought I'd leave the early version intact and post here the revised version, so the two versions can, er, chat. :D


    Imagine an utterance
    dialogic

    eternally internally
    clustering but uncluttering sense

    making

    magic

    in space

    endlessly polyglottal
    zooming both slow
    and at good full-throttle

    Playing a dance
    of each nuance
    or trace
    of a place
    That a word has made
    its skipping-glade

    Buckleaping laughingly
    and weepingly willowwailingly
    and trippingly in thriving contradiction
    of plural diction
    on the multitongued-tongue

    Dazzling sense
    like
    atoms
    neurons
    wobbling molecules
    whizzing in infinite combinations
    of pulse
    and speed
    fusing refusing confusing
    expectation and genre

    and that thing called commonsense
    In wordweaves both comic and tragic
    historico-romantico-prefabico
    (Polonius a-gogo),
    and
    wordtotem monoliths of great stable totality

    EXPLODE

    in

    endless in- ter -text

    and they are

    beautiful


    s
    u
    p
    e
    r
    n
    o
    v
    a
    e

    loaded

    And in the internally, eternally, magic of your endless beauty

    The infusions of mind, spirit, and soul

    We do, indeed, shine brighter
    '..... Ah! A perfect illustration of the poststructuralist paradox. Does the signifier "Merlot" correspond with the 'truth' of the bottle I polished off last night, or do we hold in our thoughts a different "signified" of bottle-of-Merlot-ness? Perhaps we're dreaming of the same bottle!" -FinsburyParkCarrots

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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I put this up in January, originally. Now "Troy" is out I thought I'd put it up again.

    Hissarlik

    Puzzled rubble stipples out the plain:
    mute, brute jaw grey. Moss tassles overgrown:
    insignia of Schliemann's lust in vain
    for Priam's city. Signature in stone:
    The recklessness of wonder. Disinterred
    By one man's smash through Hissarlik: the fangs
    of broken sherds and bones bite through the sword
    of Progress. Never could we prove the songs
    of Homer now. West Speculator Bold
    has carved his nothingness into a mound,
    the riches of which shadowed "Priam's Gold".
    No trace of Agamemnon. Dream at end.
    Schliemann's folly should serve now to warn:
    Troy's lost. Today, we squander Babylon.
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    permit me to say that's obviously very good.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Originally posted by ISN
    permit me to say that's obviously very good.....

    Is anything obvious? Poetry taps at the towering epistemological wall of truth-in-prose, inside the great hall of forced realities. It listens at this squarefaced wall of ideology, not for the echo of rhetoric resounding about vague space as "truth", but rather for sounds within the wall itself, for the electric fluid buzzes of the wall's deeper being, merging, constantly inconstant, in strange dialogue with multiplicitous beyonds of space and time and dimensions we don't yet know about except with our crazy hearts. When poetry begins to listen to the fizz of conflict in the solidity of structure, it copies the sounds of indeterminacy, of vital flow, and challenges all that is presumed obvious and immovable. Poetry moves, then, - yes it does - toward evoking in everchanging sound, an inexhausible, wall-lessly open universe of being and experience.
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    well, then, I don't have permission....I only asked....things are obvious....

    pearl jam is obviously a great band.....you are obviously very clever....I am obviously a tard....hehehehehehheheh

    :D
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Flattery will get you somewhere. Where, I haven't a clue.
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    it's not flattery if it's true....stupid....I never flatter people....I'd rather flatten someone than flatter them....

    I know my spades....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FancyFacadeFancyFacade Posts: 330
    carrot juice is healthy
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    apparently....

    good for the eyes....

    they used to say leeches were healthy.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    One flatters with a spadeful of praise too. Look at the etymology:

    DEFINITION: To spread. Also plet- (oldest form *plet2-). Extension of pel-2.
    Derivatives include flatter1, plant, plateau, platitude, and plaza.
    1. Variant form *plad-. a. flat1, from Old Norse flatr, flat; b. flatter1, from Old French flater, to flatter. Both a and b from Germanic *flataz, flat. 2. Suffixed variant form *plad-yo-. flat2, from Old English flet(t), floor, dwelling, from Germanic *flatjam. 3. Basic form *plat-. flan, from Late Latin flad, flat cake, pancake, from Germanic *flath(n), flat cake. 4. flounder2, from Anglo-Norman floundre, flounder, from a Scandinavian source probably akin to Old Swedish flundra, flatfish, flounder, from Germanic suffixed nasalized form *flu-n-th-r-j-. 5. Nasalized form *pla-n-t-. clan, plan, plant, plantain1, plantar; plantigrade, supplant, transplant, from Latin planta, sole of the foot, and denominative plantre, to drive in with the sole of the foot, plant, whence planta, a plant. 6. Suffixed zero-grade form *pt()-u-. piazza, place, plaice, plane4, plane tree, plate, plateau, Plateresque, platina, platinum, platitude, platy2, platy-, plaza, from Greek platus, flat, broad. (Pokorny plt- 833.)

    http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE413.html

    :D
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    FancyFacadeFancyFacade Posts: 330
    the placebo effect...ooh is that obscure enough?
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    see you're clever stupid....virry cleaver.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    I cain't keep up with you two....I'm leaving....

    I talk out of my arse....

    obviously I flatter at random....that's what makes me such a bad critic.....

    I feel virry small now.....skgnnknkskdkknmkgkdngnked

    :D
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FancyFacadeFancyFacade Posts: 330
    i was just joking, no harm meant xoxooxoxox
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Write a poem each and you're forgiven.
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    oh...is that all it takes...I'll try....

    ain't promisin nutthin....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FancyFacadeFancyFacade Posts: 330
    yes sir carrot boy
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    carrot boy....ddddchchchchchchch?.....who the fuck are you?

    yes, sir, carrot boy.....

    that's made my day.....actually.....not really.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Thank you both for your contributions.
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    ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    Lady Largesse....that's you....hehehehehe

    :D
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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    FancyFacadeFancyFacade Posts: 330
    youre welcome.
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    As I was walking the market road
    by the verge of the growing stone
    Carrying a winesack for my load
    with my good friends Bill and Tone
    I came to a turn that I'd never seen:
    a forked path through a wood
    and I said "It might lead to the market, men:
    By its shape I think it should."

    We walked up the path till the gathering trees
    blocked out the blue of the day
    A hound cried out through the rustling breeze
    and darkness led the way
    Our feet were raw as we dragged along
    and our moans were too weak to be heard
    Knowing by now that the road was wrong
    But too tired to speak a word.

    In the crack of a poplar the sunset bled
    and some raingulls flapped away
    Our stomachs were growling, for none was fed
    in this dismal, wasted day.
    But Bill pointed out as I bowed my head,
    surveying my blistered toes:
    "Look at that cave at the back of the wood
    where the rhodedendron grows!"

    We hurried along with our sack of wine
    to the open mouth of the cave
    and huddled inside where it seemed fine:
    a sheltered night we'd have.
    There were sheep and a fire; we lay down
    all three for a night in the warm:
    Just then a sound like boulders blown
    by godwinds raised in storm.

    Inside the mouth of the cave there came
    A man of ten feet high
    His back was as broad as the deepest dam
    and he had a patch on one eye
    And he came with a flock of the choicest sheep
    and he ushered them in by name:
    We hid back in the cavewall deep
    out of sight of his fireside flame.

    "It's no good hiding, you three fools,"
    He growled as he spun right around:
    "I've only one eye but the greatest of tools
    is my nose, and I soon have you found!"
    He snatched up Bill in his broadening hand
    and proceeded to swallow him whole
    right from the brow to the toenails at end:
    right from the skin to the soul.

    Tone searched his fob for a pointed blade
    As he ran round the Giant’s big frame,
    Skipping like a deer running down a glade
    When a hunter seeks his game.
    He cried, “For what you’ve done with my very best friend,
    Eating him tooth and nail,
    With my dagger I’ll carve you a sorry end
    For my knife-throws never fail.”

    And Tone threw the blade at the Giant’s throat
    But the Giant he ducked and he dodged
    And the knife caught the flank of a nearby goat
    And there it verily lodged.
    The goat gave a bleat and Giant broke down
    With a fat tear from his eye:
    ”My goat is my prize and his life is my own:
    For your vicious act you’ll die.”

    And the Giant made a run with a booming growl:
    The fire threw shapes on the wall,
    And a shadow ate a shadow to the screech of an owl
    And ate it fob and all.
    And I sat still looking eyes to eye
    With the creature who was licking his teeth
    Wondering how I could ever defy
    The big man’s towering wrath.

    Just then like a bolt from the heavens above
    A strategy came to mind:
    I said, “I see those sheep get a lot of love
    For you never leave one behind,
    When you call them in here from a day on the field!
    Your goats get good care too!
    I must confess that I truly yield
    Respect for what you do!”

    The giant he winked and he blinked in a think
    And he set about stroking his chin,
    Then he turned up his face with his cheeks blush-pink
    As he held his breath within;
    Then he nodded and he smiled and sat by my side:
    Beside him I looked like a doll.
    And he laughed, “What you say: well it fills me with pride!
    By the way, my name is Pol.”

    I nodded and cheered, but still all the while
    I thought of a plan of mine,
    And I smiled with a smile of the craftiest guile
    And said, “Would you like some wine?”
    The giant said, “You are a generous soul
    But of wine I don’t partake.
    Still, here, pour a fill in my drinking bowl
    For I’ll drink it for your sake…

    …and when I’ve drunk down, from the cream to the lees,
    Your good aperitif,
    I’ll lift you up with the greatest of ease
    And crush you in my teeth.
    But first I must ask you to pour the wine
    With a good and a spirited aim,
    And I really must ask of this victim of mine:
    What is your title and name?”

    I answered, “A title have I none:
    A market lad am I.
    My name, for sure, it is Noh Wann
    From birth till when I die.”
    The Giant laughed, “Well then, Noh Wann,
    Prepare to meet thy doom!”
    He lifted the bowl and he tipped it down
    To his mouth, as his slurps filled the room.

    With a crash and smash the bowl hit the ground
    And the Giant fell flat on his back,
    And the roof of the cave echoed snoring sound
    As I planned for a swift attack.
    I lifted a log near the blazing fire
    And I pulled out the knife from the goat,
    And I sharpened a point to the width of a wire
    And into the fire’s heat

    I held it until it was white as a swan
    Hissing out at a scavenging dog
    And I drew it out now and at once I began
    To charge fast with my crackling log
    And I plunged the hot point in the unlidded eye
    Of the Giant; I turned the point round
    And his eye popped and bubbled and fizzed by and by
    And the cave filled with clamorous sound.

    The Giant sprang up with a leap like a trout
    On a river in mid July,
    And roared “Ye Gods!” as he scrambled about
    With the log stuck in his eye.
    In an instant I ran for the door of the cave
    But I found to my dismay
    The boulder he’d jammed in its mouth wouldn’t give
    Though I pushed and pushed away.

    My heart in my throat and a sweat on my brow,
    And my hands in a shake and a quiver,
    I turned to the Giant who neared me now
    And thought to let fate deliver.
    Just then, outside, I heard voices call,
    “Is that you making all that noise?
    Are you sure you’re alright in there, brother Pol?
    Do you need any help from the boys?”


    “Noh Wann has stabbed me,” Pol exclaimed,
    “Noh Wann has thieved my sight!
    Noh Wann has left me blind and maimed
    This godforsaken night!”
    “No one has stabbed you?” came a voice
    outside the cave. “Well, then!
    Don’t be making such a noise
    So late this evening, then!”

    The feet of the Giants’ friends outside
    Petered into still.
    The last of the fire’s embers died
    And blackness swallowed all.
    I could hear the Giant crawl on the ground:
    I thought he was feeling for me.
    But then he moaned, “Sheep, dear, make a sound,
    For though I cannot see,

    I’ll lead you out to the meadow at dawn,
    I’ll push the boulder back,
    And you shall graze on the luscious lawn:
    No kindness shall you lack.
    But when I get you, Noh Wann, slave,
    The gates of hell will shout
    'Pity the man though he be a knave!
    Spare him! Let him out!'"


    With that, all passed into deathly calm
    In the black and the chill of my fears
    As I sat in the cave with a knife in my palm
    And my heart in my pounding ears.
    But after what seemed like an age and more
    Of the dark and the Giants’ groans
    The goats went bleat and sheep went baa
    And the Giant shook his bones

    And whispered, “Wait now, my pretty dears;
    For I’ll now let you out!”
    And he blurted out bloodshod eyeless tears
    And felt his way about
    Till he pushed his brutish paws and shoved
    The boulder from the door
    And past his legs, the flocks that he loved
    Went outward, more and more.

    The light streamed into the stretch of the cave
    Where I had spent the night.
    Outside, the sun and fields did thrive
    With summer morning light.
    I lay wrapped around the underbelly of a sheep
    And I gripped as tight as I could
    On its heavy white fleece, so that I could keep
    A camouflage, out to the wood

    And as the sheep walked to the cave’s big door
    I stayed clung to its greasy wool.
    My back caught the stones on the rugged floor
    And the dust stung the scratches cruel.
    Now I and the sheep were about to go
    Through the door to the light and the trees
    But then to my horror and trembling woe
    The Giant got down on his knees

    And he patted the back of the ram and he said
    “You’re the best of the best of the fold.
    I’ll never eat you. Let that promise be said.
    You’ll be here with me when you’re old.”
    I thought that his nose with its smell would deduce
    That my fingers were under his face
    I could feel that my grip on the sheep with its grease
    Was starting to slip and be loose…

    But right then, the goat with the wound made a yelp
    And the Giant scrambled up and away:
    With the Giant inside giving aid of good help,
    Tying round a tight torniquay
    On the flank of the goat... My ram moved on
    And moved us out into the light
    And I soon felt bathed in a raging sun
    That blazed with all its might.

    But all was changed of the woodland scene
    I’d seen the day before;
    This wasn’t the place where I’d known I’d been
    When I'd run in the cavemouth door!
    The trees were gone, the path was straight
    And market men walked on
    And standing by a wooden gate
    Were my friends Bill and Tone.

    “My friends, my friends! How did you flee
    that monster’s biting jowls?
    I saw you torn from neck to knee
    To the howling of the owls!”
    Bill and Tone just scratched their heads
    And looked to the growing stone
    On the turn of the path, with its sign “Here leads
    To madness: walk alone.”

    The moral my friends, the moral of my song
    That I sing to you all today
    Is that even the road that is boring and long
    Is safer than ones that will stray
    But the ones that will stray make you live on your wit
    And in testing you, keep you alive:
    So always go walking the way where you’ll meet
    Little dangers that make you survive.



    (Apologies to Homer, etc)
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    This is how dat wonderful cassia says hello in an email.. I know she won't mind my sharing this :):


    gracias mo tango finsterling spinnerly bon-moting
    and copperbottomly shinedango
    twirlycombintions
    of utterstellar promoportions
    ultracommonlysense since, well
    ya know :)

    ehy voleeys volley sun blue all the beamerly day
    whee twingles and biscuity eyelash crumbs, blinking
    hello



    :D
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I saw the way you pulled your lips in, tight,
    And almost twitched the muscles near your eyes,
    Half-petrified from drinking through the night.
    I saw the way you recognised the cries
    of her despair as you read through their words
    She'd written down; I saw your throat swell hard,
    Your shoulders tense, as memories like birds
    of prey encircled you. She had your card,
    This writer. She was you and you were her.
    There was only one thing for it, then:
    You must destroy her like a mangy cur
    To kill the rabid, howling fear within
    your own caged soul. I saw the way you railed
    To wipe her out to save yourself. You failed.
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Not many people know this
    I keep it nice and schtum
    I've got two wings with feathers
    From my shoulders to my bum
    And yes, they are retractable
    I grow them when I care
    They're radar-non-detectable
    So when I hit the air

    I cruise the wide Atlantic
    at a pleasant, gliding pace
    And the journey's quite romantic
    with the seawind on my face
    I cross the broad Americkay
    Until I touch the ground
    Upon this North Pacific bay
    Not far from Puget Sound

    And it's there I find my Juliebird
    with golden plumage, pretty:
    I've winged across the big blue world
    To touch down in the city,
    Emerald greendancing, where
    Love's destination's signed.
    We'll nest together, happy there,
    One soul, one heart, one mind.

    :D
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Who's mee Jooolie?
    Who's mee Jooooolie?
    Who's mee jewelie?
    Who?

    You're mee Joooolie.
    You're mee jewelie.
    Alluboo troooolie!!!!
    I do!!!


    :):):)
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I'm stapling my Pasta sonnet here:

    Poem for my friend Pasta

    When I walk three miles out to Horningsea
    and enter through the gentle path that leads
    me through across some farmland, I can see
    in my mind's eye how all this sky that bleeds
    gold upon the flatlands seems to be
    doubled with the view you note each day
    when you rise early: broad light making free
    with ground of earthy beige. Dreams make play
    upon my image of the desert scene
    you see each day: I give your ground some new
    shoots springing from a water stream; bright green
    rushes quiver, gorgeously. Your view
    I would make lifelush without end.
    May these words green your desert now, my friend.

    :)
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Thanks for letting me keep typing here
    Even if I'm not quite sure I share
    That much. I'm not a moderate old soul:
    I bark, say 'shit' and 'fuck', play know-it-all
    And probably kill more threads than I start.
    If virtuality suggests my heart,
    I want to thank you both: perhaps I can.
    Behind your flatscreen lives blood, flesh and man
    that knows your work: that's me. I do love you
    In my half-stupid fashion. True. I do.

    :)
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    DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    ha HA! i remember calling myself a thread-killer once... nobody knew what the hell I meant :D
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