I consider selling out to be doing shameless things just to sell a few extra records. I didn;t see PJ on TRL, or colloborating with Timbaland, I didn't see them on TMZ hanging with people from The Hills. Stone Gossard didn't walk into any public bathrooms with no shoes. Hopefully a few people who were tired of shitty music saw some of the commercials or watched Storytellers and went out and bought a good rock album. I wasn;t a huge fan of "Avocado" but it's better than most of the mainstream garbage that's been released over recent years.
I get sick of this annoying punk ethic of being anti-mainstream. Some bands, like KMFDM, do it without being assholes about it. But it seems most bands with this attitude are doing it just for the "cred" and not because it's their personal belief.
I used to actually think like that - "zomg if it's a song made for the radio, it must suck immediately!". Pfft. Once you stop thinking like that and actually open your mind, you can discover some amazing bands. Pop doesn't automatically = crap. There's good pop, and there's bad pop.
As for the topic, no, Pearl Jam didn't sell out. Do you see then posing for Verizon Wireless ads and performing with the Pussycat Dolls? :P
* A commercial, shiny sounding album, full of attempted anthemic rock music that we haven't really heard since Ten
* Appearing with U2 on the same stage
-Yield got just as much press with them releasing svt and a video for evolution
-Storytellers? They performed an intimate show with a bunch of fans answering their questions.
- The music videos they released were never aired on Much Music or Much More Music here in Canada (unless they were and I never saw them). I'm not sure how much air time they got in the USA or other countries
-The day I consider Gone/Unemployable/Parachutes/Big Wave "attempted anthemic rock" will be the day I enjoy listening to Riot Act.
-Since when is performing with a band that you respect selling out? Did they sell out when they opened for The Rolling Stones a few years back?
Sell out? No. And certainly not by today's standards.
But they definitely started to market themselves more than they had in a long, long time. 06 was the beginning of this. If you think about it, it tied in with the album- they intimated that they titled the album Pearl Jam in part because it was a new beginning for them. We saw some of that change in the promotion of the album and tour that year. Someone else mentioned the travel packages introduced in 2007. There was the Verizon thing this tour. Now you have the solo stuff going on and you're seeing some of that bleed over, what with Eddie/Stone selling individual tracks. Really, the Tenclub site is more "commercial" than it ever has been (though that may just be a case of 10C finally catching up with the capabilities of the internets as a viable sales medium).
It *is* a new era in Pearl Jam. I don't think this is deniable. But I certainly don't think they've "sold out". However, 10 years from now, if they strike a deal to have Walmart sell their new record exclusively, I think we'll be able to look back at these last couple years and say that this is when they started down that path.
Montreal/98, Toronto/00'03'05'06x2, Brad Toronto/02, Buffalo/03, Kitchener/05, London/05, Hamilton/05, Late Show Taping/06, Cleveland/06, Pittsburgh/06, Bridge School Benefit Concert/06, Hartford/08, Mansfield 1/08, EV Montreal/08x2, EV Toronto/08x2...
I get sick of this annoying punk ethic of being anti-mainstream. Some bands, like KMFDM, do it without being assholes about it. But it seems most bands with this attitude are doing it just for the "cred" and not because it's their personal belief.
I used to actually think like that - "zomg if it's a song made for the radio, it must suck immediately!". Pfft. Once you stop thinking like that and actually open your mind, you can discover some amazing bands. Pop doesn't automatically = crap. There's good pop, and there's bad pop.
As for the topic, no, Pearl Jam didn't sell out. Do you see then posing for Verizon Wireless ads and performing with the Pussycat Dolls? :P
I think that might be the first time I've seen KMFDM mentioned on this board. Nice.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
There's also been Pearl Jam/Eddie Vedder songs in commercials these days. But since it's for environmental/cancer charities, it may still not be selling out.
Down in the hole, Jesus tries to crack a smile beneath another shovel load.
They definitely made an effort to plug into mainstream. Didn't they also play on the tonight show? There are obvious signs but I'm sure they're not forcing producing music to make money and be "rockstars." I guess if you love them as much as we do then it may extend beyond the music, in which case it would be dissapointing, but I'd still be passionate about their music!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
* A commercial, shiny sounding album, full of attempted anthemic rock music that we haven't really heard since Ten
* Appearing with U2 on the same stage
only point number 4 would make them a sellout, and since you would have to be insane to think thats a commercial sounding album full of anthemic rock music, that point is 100% wrong. it was anything but commercial, and didnt even have any anthems (Severed Hand maybe? not that big epic anthems are a bad thing anyway. In fact they are fucking fabulous!)
* A commercial, shiny sounding album, full of attempted anthemic rock music that we haven't really heard since Ten
* Appearing with U2 on the same stage
First let me say that I find it LAUGHABLE how easily a lot of Pearl Jam fans throw out the words sell out. I'm not saying you do Army but, in general, a lot of us have always set IMPOSSIBLE standards for PJ to meet. You want good album sales but, you don't want press. Anyway...
1. Doing press isn't selling out AT ALL, not even a little.
2. Storytellers we should be thankful for, if thats selling out, then I hope they do it more often.
3. A video every 239 years doesn't qualify as sell out.
4. Not sure what self titled you're listening to but, the production isn't slick and its certainly not filled with anthems by any means.
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MSG 1+2. 2010
Wrigley. Brooklyn 2. Hartford. 2013
St. Louis. Denver. 2014
Global Citizens Festival. 2015
MSG 2. Fenway 2. Wrigley 1. 2016
Safeco 2. Missoula. 2018
Are they in a milk ad?
Do they have a brand new song on a TV commercial for mens razors or some other shit??
The only thing Pearl Jam sells out of is tickets, as said in earlier posts.
I used to actually think like that - "zomg if it's a song made for the radio, it must suck immediately!". Pfft. Once you stop thinking like that and actually open your mind, you can discover some amazing bands. Pop doesn't automatically = crap. There's good pop, and there's bad pop.
As for the topic, no, Pearl Jam didn't sell out. Do you see then posing for Verizon Wireless ads and performing with the Pussycat Dolls? :P
-Yield got just as much press with them releasing svt and a video for evolution
-Storytellers? They performed an intimate show with a bunch of fans answering their questions.
- The music videos they released were never aired on Much Music or Much More Music here in Canada (unless they were and I never saw them). I'm not sure how much air time they got in the USA or other countries
-The day I consider Gone/Unemployable/Parachutes/Big Wave "attempted anthemic rock" will be the day I enjoy listening to Riot Act.
-Since when is performing with a band that you respect selling out? Did they sell out when they opened for The Rolling Stones a few years back?
Are you just trying to get a rise out of us all?
But they definitely started to market themselves more than they had in a long, long time. 06 was the beginning of this. If you think about it, it tied in with the album- they intimated that they titled the album Pearl Jam in part because it was a new beginning for them. We saw some of that change in the promotion of the album and tour that year. Someone else mentioned the travel packages introduced in 2007. There was the Verizon thing this tour. Now you have the solo stuff going on and you're seeing some of that bleed over, what with Eddie/Stone selling individual tracks. Really, the Tenclub site is more "commercial" than it ever has been (though that may just be a case of 10C finally catching up with the capabilities of the internets as a viable sales medium).
It *is* a new era in Pearl Jam. I don't think this is deniable. But I certainly don't think they've "sold out". However, 10 years from now, if they strike a deal to have Walmart sell their new record exclusively, I think we'll be able to look back at these last couple years and say that this is when they started down that path.
Montreal/98, Toronto/00'03'05'06x2, Brad Toronto/02, Buffalo/03, Kitchener/05, London/05, Hamilton/05, Late Show Taping/06, Cleveland/06, Pittsburgh/06, Bridge School Benefit Concert/06, Hartford/08, Mansfield 1/08, EV Montreal/08x2, EV Toronto/08x2...
Close, their last tour was somewhat sponsored by Verizon.
Theyre still not a sellout.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
98-Camden
03-Camden
06-Prague, Berlin, Vienna, Zagreb
07-Katowice
08-NYC I/II, Hartford, Mansfield I/II
this never happened
or do you mean, the late show with david letterman. if so they play letterman with every album and no one else.
My Morning Jacket
Pearl Jam
Neil Young
Wilco
Tool
Rush
Drive By Truckers
pj shows
8/17/98
8/15/00
8/18/00
8/20/00
6/22/03
10/2/04
8/5/07
Also Letterman's a big fan.
MSG 1+2. 2010
Wrigley. Brooklyn 2. Hartford. 2013
St. Louis. Denver. 2014
Global Citizens Festival. 2015
MSG 2. Fenway 2. Wrigley 1. 2016
Safeco 2. Missoula. 2018
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
only point number 4 would make them a sellout, and since you would have to be insane to think thats a commercial sounding album full of anthemic rock music, that point is 100% wrong. it was anything but commercial, and didnt even have any anthems (Severed Hand maybe? not that big epic anthems are a bad thing anyway. In fact they are fucking fabulous!)
in conclusion, you are on crack.
First let me say that I find it LAUGHABLE how easily a lot of Pearl Jam fans throw out the words sell out. I'm not saying you do Army but, in general, a lot of us have always set IMPOSSIBLE standards for PJ to meet. You want good album sales but, you don't want press. Anyway...
1. Doing press isn't selling out AT ALL, not even a little.
2. Storytellers we should be thankful for, if thats selling out, then I hope they do it more often.
3. A video every 239 years doesn't qualify as sell out.
4. Not sure what self titled you're listening to but, the production isn't slick and its certainly not filled with anthems by any means.
5. This is so dumb i'm not even going to respond.
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.