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how many hardcore FANS will PJ lose if they drop their "ARENA ROCK" tag????

glasshouseglasshouse Posts: 1,762
edited December 2007 in The Porch
a comment made by RockKing made me think about this.
PJ are arguably the greatest live hard rock band around and i know we all love them for exactly that reason

but

let's say they decide to take a more subtle and fragile musical route on their next studio album, something very much in the line of into the wild.

gone are songs like comatose, wws, stbc, dte....you get the picture.

would that disappoint you? or would you embrace it?
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    it would not make any difference to me.....as i get older the more i appreciate the direction of into the wild.

    i would enjoy seeing the staple fast, up beat, kick ass songs in a form like into the wild.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    ajedigecko wrote:
    it would not make any difference to me.....as i get older the more i appreciate the direction of into the wild.

    i would enjoy seeing the staple fast, up beat, kick ass songs in a form like into the wild.


    agreed
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,916
    glasshouse wrote:
    a comment made by RockKing made me think about this.
    PJ are arguably the greatest live hard rock band around and i know we all love them for exactly that reason

    but

    let's say they decide to take a more subtle and fragile musical route on their next studio album, something very much in the line of into the wild.

    gone are songs like comatose, wws, stbc, dte....you get the picture.

    would that disappoint you? or would you embrace it?

    no i wouldn't be dissapointed but i don't believe it will happen that way there is plenty of rock left in these guys .....
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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    tough to say.

    i love the rockers and would miss them, but i also love the softer stuff such as:

    light years, present tense, off he goes, nothing as it seems, sometimes
  • glasshouseglasshouse Posts: 1,762
    josevolution wrote:
    there is plenty of rock left in these guys .....

    of that there is no doubt ;)
    maybe they'll just channel it a bit differently. i agree though, they haven't changed their general musical outlook in more than 16 years, hard to immagine them doing it now.....
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  • dirtyTdirtyT Posts: 3,620
    I am cool with whatever they put. Soft pr hard, I know it will be great music.
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  • DiRtYyELLoWoCeAnDiRtYyELLoWoCeAn Medford, Ma Posts: 1,605
    glasshouse wrote:
    a comment made by RockKing made me think about this.
    PJ are arguably the greatest live hard rock band around and i know we all love them for exactly that reason

    but

    let's say they decide to take a more subtle and fragile musical route on their next studio album, something very much in the line of into the wild.

    gone are songs like comatose, wws, stbc, dte....you get the picture.

    would that disappoint you? or would you embrace it?



    I would embrace it they would still play the rockers live...
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  • Redmosquito26000Redmosquito26000 Posts: 91
    I love all of their music...but I would be dissapointed
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  • Niko80Niko80 Posts: 1,608
    If the general public knew they wouldn't get any of the early songs that they might know, pearl jam would not fill arenas anymore.

    I like the new stuff, but I absolutely love the old stuff! Lets hope for a good mix. The set balance in 06/07 were perfect!
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  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Into The Wild was not even kinda a Pearl Jam record.

    Especially after the last 8 albums, do not expect Pearl Jam to lose their rock-n-roll edge.

    Yes, it wouldn't be great if Pearl Jam all of a sudden changed their format or genre.
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    In my world, any PJ is good PJ. I honestly wouldn't care as long as they still keep on making the music.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    They could release the rest of the albums using nothing but a microphone and the sounds of their own farts, and they wouldn't lose me. I don't give a fuck about no 'arena rock' tag.
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,805
    the hardcore fans like the diversity of PJ music over the years

    it's the not so hardcore fans that they lose when they decide to change direction here and there

    so no great loss :D
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  • whoYOUarewhoYOUare Posts: 274
    i actually prefer the "downs" as they call them. Songs like Who You Are, and Present Tense, All Those Yesterdays, Parting Ways, Of the Girl, OCEANS, you geth te idea, so i'd totally be down for a smaller venue softer song tour.

    with that being said, i think the reason Eddie did the soundtrack to Into the Wild is because it is not really a Pearl Jam thing. I love the record and have listened to it more than anything else this year so i'd love it, i just dont see it happening.

    i read something further up about the "ups" being plays accousticly, like they did with Lukin, i really dig that idea, it would be a lot of fun. I really liked the softer set they were doing in 04 & 05. That allowed them to play songs like parting ways, and hard to imagine. they fit fine in the context of a show, but to get a bunch of them together it was something special.

    so in a long winded way, i guess what i mean is, well if you are reading this then you know what i mean.
    peace
  • BinGnarlyBinGnarly Posts: 508
    I wouldnt mind a mostly acoustic and lighter album from the guys.
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  • MasterFramerMasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    anotherclone wrote:
    In my world, any PJ is good PJ. I honestly wouldn't care as long as they still keep on making the music.

    I agree...
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  • InHiding19InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    Hopefuly they just drop the arena rock gigs and start doign small venues!!! Like the vic!!!
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    it's evolution baby
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  • SPALMASPALMA Posts: 2,279
    ajedigecko wrote:
    it would not make any difference to me.....as i get older the more i appreciate the direction of into the wild.

    i would enjoy seeing the staple fast, up beat, kick ass songs in a form like into the wild.

    Well said friend.

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  • pjfan31pjfan31 Posts: 7,335
    i would be sad if they did drop those songs, but i love itw and i would love to see them do an acoustic show like fooies did at the opera house a few yrs ago
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,917
    glasshouse wrote:
    a comment made by RockKing made me think about this.
    PJ are arguably the greatest live hard rock band around and i know we all love them for exactly that reason

    but

    let's say they decide to take a more subtle and fragile musical route on their next studio album, something very much in the line of into the wild.

    gone are songs like comatose, wws, stbc, dte....you get the picture.

    would that disappoint you? or would you embrace it?


    It would very much disappoint me.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I think most of the people who would be turned off by Into the Wild aren't going to the shows for the new stuff anyway.

    They're going for Jeremy. Which Pearl Jam still plays on occasion, so ...
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • FeelLikeAStrangerFeelLikeAStranger Posts: 59
    it would be a breath of fresh air
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  • PJamGrunge10PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 596
    I would be dissappointed. Although I love almost all their songs, I wouldn't be as excited for new music, it means less variety. And them getting older doesn't mean they have to make slow songs either, they aren't even really old.

    Plus, Into the Wild was a soundtrack, it was supposed to have a common theme, not just "write whatever you want".
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  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    I NEVER EVER want Pearl Jam to put an album out that doesn't rock. They are a rock band (not a soft rock band), which is why their albums should always ROCK.

    Oddly enough, I have never thought of Pearl Jam as an "Arena" rock band. Not even sure what that means except that they play arenas. But, teeny bopper pop artists also play arenas...so I am not sure what the venue you play live in has to do with your music genre.
  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    the bottom line is that pearl jam's unwillingness or dare i say...lack of interest in taking it to the next level is the thing that holds them back from truly being a real creative force in american rock.

    they're a great touring band with nearly perfect songs. they have probably the most impressive debut maybe ever. i won't dare take that away from them. but a real step forward is needed to take them to wherever they should already be.
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  • YieldInHidingYieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    distantsun wrote:
    the bottom line is that pearl jam's unwillingness or dare i say...lack of interest in taking it to the next level is the thing that holds them back from truly being a real creative force in american rock.

    they're a great touring band with nearly perfect songs. they have probably the most impressive debut maybe ever. i won't dare take that away from them. but a real step forward is needed to take them to wherever they should already be.

    What's the next level then?
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    YieldInHiding wrote:
    What's the next level then?

    Honestly, it doesn't matter what the next level is. But do you really think this is "it" for PJ? There's always another level to be achieved, if you are so bold as to reach for it.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    RockKing wrote:
    Honestly, it doesn't matter what the next level is. But do you really think this is "it" for PJ? There's always another level to be achieved, if you are so bold as to reach for it.

    dead on. exactly.

    plus, we're not creative members of pearl jam. we think we understand the band in terms of its creative dynamics but we really don't know the whole inside operation. they know what they are capable of, both as individual musicians, and much more importantly, as a singular creative unit.
    this post has been approved by grace6697.
  • YieldInHidingYieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    RockKing wrote:
    Honestly, it doesn't matter what the next level is. But do you really think this is "it" for PJ? There's always another level to be achieved, if you are so bold as to reach for it.

    The way distantsun was speaking, it seemed like there was another level in mind.
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
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