Why Ed

Garner

You take a look at all the cool covers ed has done this tour but yet we can't hear them......why is Ed all of a sudden obsessed with his millions of dollars. For some of us music is all we have and we can't hear ed do a version of long may you run or hurt without having to pay. We've all paid money to ed in some way or another if for shows or multiple cd's or the 2000 bootlegs which we all know now was a a way to make a lot of money but we all were convinced it was a way for us to all hear the shows. There are pearl jam fans out there who don't have a lot of money. We got families to feed and bills to pay and mortgages. I dunno, but for me the pearl jam buzz is going away. This kinda stuff makes the music not mean as much when you hear it.....tough to feel the music anymore. Sorry for ranting and not really making much sense.....im not a writer.

washedinblack91

.....am i reading this right, you have a problem with ed's policy on the solo tour...? or am i missing the point not to sound mean or anything, i just kinda, didnt understand what you were saying (as you pointed out at the end you couldn't write ) if my interpretation is correct, all i gotta say is give them the benefit of the doubt, we don't know what they have to go through or what's in their minds when they do what they do. (and no this is not me being blind or a sheep or something blindly follow whatever pearl jam does and believing them to be infallible, this is me watching enough episodes of three's company to know to give people the benefit of the doubt )

Garner

what policy you referring to?

washedinblack91

Garner wrote:

what policy you referring to?

the part about how you can't record his shows? i guess we ain't on the same page

Garner

Oh i know that one, thought you meant a different one...forget it....back to the velvet underground

vedderfan10

Not at all trying to defend Ed, but why would you think he is "suddenly obsessed with his millions"? There's no info about whether or not the solo shows are going to be released or not, so why assume the worst. The guy (and the band) give so much...

Also, I'm sure he has other more important stuff going on in his life at the moment.

Not trying to be a bitch or anything...just saying...

cookies

Garner wrote:

You take a look at all the cool covers ed has done this tour but yet we can't hear them......why is Ed all of a sudden obsessed with his millions of dollars. For some of us music is all we have and we can't hear ed do a version of long may you run or hurt without having to pay. We've all paid money to ed in some way or another if for shows or multiple cd's or the 2000 bootlegs which we all know now was a a way to make a lot of money but we all were convinced it was a way for us to all hear the shows. There are pearl jam fans out there who don't have a lot of money. We got families to feed and bills to pay and mortgages. I dunno, but for me the pearl jam buzz is going away. This kinda stuff makes the music not mean as much when you hear it.....tough to feel the music anymore. Sorry for ranting and not really making much sense.....im not a writer.

It has not been said that there will not be any boots or a dvd. Wait it out. But what does Ed money have to do with anything. Think about it. He just did a solo tour right after a tour with the band and could be in the studio now. I am a fan and want it all to but hey I remember that he is only human and can only do so much.

Gonzo1977

Keep Your Pants On.

Both DC shows were filmed by Brendon from Fugazi. There will likely be something released from this; just give it time

Besides...

The band has got to get there shit together and put out some new tunes. Not to mention; their individual assignments are long overdue...It's been a really long time since we've gotten Deep Magazine...The masses are hungry

U R A Crazy Breed

getting an official release of a show where Ed is covering other peoples music needs to be cleared by the artists that he is covering.playing them is fine but making money off an album is a whole other story.i'm not a lawyer but i know it would be a task and then Ed would have to pay royalties to the artists too,which might not be justified if the album didn't sell well.

Ed is the least materialistic muther fucker on the planet so don't get it twisted that all of the sudden Ed has the green disease.NO FUCKING WAY!! BUT he is a dad now (x2) and that def makes you think differently about the security of your family for the future,from what you said about feeding your fam and paying bills,you are no stranger to this and the only thing that would be wrong is if Ed didn't think about these things.

psssssttt....and if you know anything about torrents you can find both Chicago shows on the net and hear Hurt for free.shhhhhhhh keep it on the down low

Gremmie95

I don't get it. Not gonna try. The boys rock.

pjtradeking

First off, if you think this is about $$, you dont know anything about ed or the band. Nothing else needs to be said on that subject.....

Secondly ALMOST all of these shows are OUT THERE to be had if you or anyone else would take the time to ask around and network. Why wait for an OFFICIAL release which you will PAY for and since you have a family to feed and bills and a mortgage, I figure you would prob want these for free anyhow, right? This stuff ALWAYS gets taped and can be had for the price of a blank and postage, or sometimes for NOTHING if you know or ask the right people. So rather than waste your time complaining about eddie his $$ and the fact that you are losing your PJ buzz, take those energies and search out and enjoy what it is you seek since it HAS been right in front of you and everyone else for some weeks now.....Good luck!

TouringFan2000

i love these incoherent anti-ed rants. the guy is one of the coolest human beings on the face of the planet and we gotta hear shit like this all the time. whatever.

NotoriousIMP

I think we all just need to be patient. Im sure some of the solo shows will be released. My question to ED and PJ would be -Why are you guys holding back all the shows in the "vault" instead of letting them go. What is the major plan?
How about once a year release a show from the "vault". Its ashame that the "vault" just collects dust.

Horos

Funny to hear all the sheep jump in line to defend Ed. Of course he has the Green Disease, it's basically what we as Americans have been raised to believe in. And to say he's not materialistic is another joke. I've never had the chance to go by his house but I guarantee it more than meets his families needs.

All that said I don't care how much money he wants to make it is the American way after all.

zootown

Another naive rant.....listen, MOST bands out there, and solo artists for that matter, never release their live stuff, officially or not. Why is it that PJ/Eddie fans think that they are entitled to hear every song that gets played live--we are blessed to be fans of a band that releases tons of live material to the public, but this is not the norm and Eddie does not deserve criticism for not releasing live stuff!

P.S. I too believe that we will eventually get something official anyway, so lets remember, patience is a virtue!

KDH12

washedinblack91 wrote:

the part about how you can't record his shows? i guess we ain't on the same page

can't record.....

but many did


so much for that policy

LONGRD

Whoa!, that was the most peaceful rant I've ever read. Not one swearword.

U R A Crazy Breed

Horos wrote:

Funny to hear all the sheep jump in line to defend Ed. Of course he has the Green Disease, it's basically what we as Americans have been raised to believe in. And to say he's not materialistic is another joke. I've never had the chance to go by his house but I guarantee it more than meets his families needs.

All that said I don't care how much money he wants to make it is the American way after all.

I am the furthest thing from being a sheep,in fact i am the anti-sheep!!

you know not of what you speak.Ed makes money,money doesn't make Ed.One of the reasons i fell in love with this band is i feel they share a lot of the same feelings and thoughts as me,particularly Ed (i am referring to his outspoken patriotic freedom loving fight for your rights type of mentality)

i would not defend him if he was just another douche-bag.

so..you are wrong and and can't see it,which is also the "American way" isn't it.

mdgsolo

NotoriousIMP wrote:

I think we all just need to be patient. Im sure some of the solo shows will be released. My question to ED and PJ would be -Why are you guys holding back all the shows in the "vault" instead of letting them go. What is the major plan?
How about once a year release a show from the "vault". Its ashame that the "vault" just collects dust.

This post is what the thread should be about. Why not release more items- say the 03 DVD from Japan they originally announced and then retracted, Soldier Field 95, any or every Ed solo show, for example? It does boggle the mind to think of how much material is available to see the light of day. I don't care if the motivation is sharing art or simple greed, I'd just like to see more stuff made available from this bands massive archive...

pjtradeking

KDH12 wrote:

can't record.....

but many did


so much for that policy

Which is why I dont understand why people are having such a hard time getting these to listen to. they are EVERYWHERE.....The hills are ALIVE with the sound of music!!

Left Porch

Maybe I'm an idiot, but what are you trying to say? That we should be able to record all the shows on our own and that the official bootlegs are a bad thing?

She'sCominDownFast!!

Garner wrote:

You take a look at all the cool covers ed has done this tour but yet we can't hear them......why is Ed all of a sudden obsessed with his millions of dollars. For some of us music is all we have and we can't hear ed do a version of long may you run or hurt without having to pay. We've all paid money to ed in some way or another if for shows or multiple cd's or the 2000 bootlegs which we all know now was a a way to make a lot of money but we all were convinced it was a way for us to all hear the shows. There are pearl jam fans out there who don't have a lot of money. We got families to feed and bills to pay and mortgages. I dunno, but for me the pearl jam buzz is going away. This kinda stuff makes the music not mean as much when you hear it.....tough to feel the music anymore. Sorry for ranting and not really making much sense.....im not a writer.

Ed is going to release a live album. DOESN'T ANYBODY REALIZE THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!! It's the only logical explanation to why he....Eddie Vedder of all people....wouldn't let his devoted fans BOOTLEG his show. I've read interviews with him where he recalls his days listening to boots of The Who. Later in 2000, PJ would pioneer the single sweetest live music idea ever by releasing them all. Even before 2000, the fanclub always made it clear that people were allowed to tape Pearl Jam concerts so long as they didn't bring tripods or stuff like that to the shows

So now, after 16 years, he won't allow taping. As we talk about it right now, he's sitting with his headphones on listening to every song he did at every show this year so he can pick and pluck them for a live album, Live On 2 Legs style. His manager is phoning up Paul McCartney and Trent Reznor for clearances on the covers and we'll get an awesome live album....possibly a double album.

And really Garner, when you say "There are pearl jam fans out there who don't have a lot of money. We got families to feed and bills to pay and mortgages" when referring to the fact that there aren't live Ed bootlegs, you sound like a moron.

Ledbetterdays

1) Most of Ed's shows were taped--except maybe Kenyon Hall shows

2) I Do Not want the vault because frankly it is all out there too. there is not a single show I want that I could not find or do not have. You might want some that I do not though : )

3) I believe the bootleg program has shown that the shows that were legendary were mostly so because they were bootlegged. Well when everything is bootlegged and released shows do not seem as special.

NotoriousIMP

Ledbetterdays wrote:

1) Most of Ed's shows were taped--except maybe Kenyon Hall shows

2) I Do Not want the vault because frankly it is all out there too. there is not a single show I want that I could not find or do not have. You might want some that I do not though : )

3) I believe the bootleg program has shown that the shows that were legendary were mostly so because they were bootlegged. Well when everything is bootlegged and released shows do not seem as special.

1) I have no clue about
2) I disagree. Some people do not have the time to play a hide and seek game to find boots they want. I would love to see a mystery sale(i.e. recent poster sale) once a year and you get a show from the "vault"
3)I dont feel the bootleg program made any show "legendary". The shows made the bootleg program work.

The thing is that 90% of their material is recorded, so just let some of it drip out.

Bulldog88

Why not just be satisfied? As fans we have already been given so much; we don't have to have EVERYTHING do we?

PureandEasy

Bulldog88 wrote:

Why not just be satisfied? As fans we have already been given so much; we don't have to have EVERYTHING do we?

ah yes, 18 posts, that explains your naivety

these people do think they have a right to EVERYTHING


As far as I’m concerned

Ed can make as much money as he wants and he can do with it what he wants, as long as he doesn’t hurt anyone in the process

If Ed asks you not to record a show, don’t do it

If he chooses to release something from these solo shows and actually charges money for them – OH MY GOD what a money hungry dick

Please, he’s not in the business to solely satisfy every single need of yours. He has bills to pay too and he has a right to be compensated for his work

Mohab

weird to be ok with boots for one day and not the next, but they always wanted cash like anyone else filling a role for the public, and seem to do a lot of good for the most part. someone who builds execeptionally safe bridges still charges for their constructon efforts so why not ed?

Mohab

PureandEasy wrote:

ah yes, 18 posts, that explains your naivety

these people do think they have a right to EVERYTHING


As far as I’m concerned

Ed can make as much money as he wants and he can do with it what he wants, as long as he doesn’t hurt anyone in the process

If Ed asks you not to record a show, don’t do it

If he chooses to release something from these solo shows and actually charges money for them – OH MY GOD what a money hungry dick

Please, he’s not in the business to solely satisfy every single need of yours. He has bills to pay too and he has a right to be compensated for his work

think you two are actually in agreement no?

SCRIBLING C-MENT

If you know how to google and torrent then you'll find every show you need.

...or stop being such a douche-bag and become a little more involved in the PJ trading community and someone may actually do a B&P with ya for any show you are looking for!

Stop friggin' complaining! That goes to everyone on this board!

Ha! Finally after 5 years I made it to 2000 posts, I miss the ole days!

PureandEasy

Mohab wrote:

think you two are actually in agreement no?

oh absolutely, i was just pointing out the fact that he/she is new to the board and that explains why the person seems somewhat surprised that people aren't satisfied

Mohab

PureandEasy wrote:

oh absolutely, i was just pointing out the fact that he/she is new to the board and that explains why the person seems somewhat surprised that people aren't satisfied

my mistake,
on another note i was also thinking maybe becasue not a lot of set variation
that taping would have been not as welcome,