Chris Cornell Hype

glasshouse

culot4 wrote:

Chris Cornell was cool before he destroyed his voice and became Derrick Zoolander with a guitar. I have absolutely no desire to listen to his new album.

hahahah that is funny shit right there!!!!!!!

dunkman

mauichick wrote:

along with eddie

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

ScotInAmsterdam

I thought the same - I was a bit sketchy as to whether I wanted to go and see a singer when the last great album I really liked from him was down on the upside... but go and see the live show... WOW... you'll be converted!

UKDave

Tiki Barber wrote:

i see so much talk about chris cornell on this board. i'm assuming there are a lot of old grunge fans here since it is a pearl jam board but i just don't understand this. i think soundgarden was a descent band and cornell has a great voice but other than that everything post soundgarden i've heard from him has been shit in my opinion. i listened to his new album on myspace and it just sounds like the same old bland bullshit rock you hear on the modern rock radio stations all the time. i even think it's worse than audioslave which i also think was a pretty boring band. can someone please explain to me what is so great about this guy besides his voice (which you could say the same about shitty artists like daughtry), or is this just a loyalty issue. does anyone else agree that this guy is way overrated as a musician? don't jump on me here please, i'm just stating an opinion and want to hear an explanation.

I'm not a massive fan of his solo stuff, some of it yes but prefer his Soundgarden / TotD material. Not made my mind up about the new album yet but I think the hype has been more about the live performances.

I saw him at the Astoria last month and it was such a great performance both by him and the band, live they put on a superb show...

glasshouse

dunkman wrote:

".....this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper......."

sure enough pearl jam introduced me to his music, but i like his stuff.
had i heard his music without th PJ connection i'd maybe even like it more.
savvy?
but i agree with your main point.

DiRtyFranK38

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

IT IS NOTTTT because of pj that i love chris cornell ans soundgarden blah blah. when i discovered chris in his works it had no connection whatsoever with pearl jam. i think he is a brilliant musician, great lyricist, vocalist, and every band he was in including his solo stuff is fantastic. i'm sure many other fans think that as well. similar styles of music so maybe thats why lots of pj fans like chris and his works. but trust me, your theory is wrong for 3/4 of the people.

dharma69

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

It takes quite a bit of work on my part to associate Cornell with Vedder/Pearl Jam.

The relationship among them (if one even exists) doesn't even register with me. I like it that way.

failedpersephone

it's not hype. He really is talented...but like anything that has a large fanbase there is the backlash. so most people who like his music (in all forms - that doesnt mean we are blind it just means that we dont expect every song to sound like Slaves and Bulldozers) will share their admiration - and that turns into defending him from people who get very angry about any Chris Cornell mention here. (this is in the OTHER MUSIC section tho - so lighten the hell up!)

that being said, his latest album has a closer tie to Euphoria Morning (which was horribly abused when IT came out) and has very little resemblance to Audioslave. Additionally, I read here that someone called AUdioslave's music "experimental" I think it was redundant...especially the guitar solo...but each is own.

Rolling Stone Magazine didnt give the album good reviews (so that means it actually is pretty good!) but in the process of dissing it they claimed Chris Cornell was only good for "mindless wailing" which should tell you where they stand on him in general...underrated overrated, hyped, abused...these are all subjective.

audiodave

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

I suspect this may be the case for many a PJ fan, especially with artists like Ben Harper and Sleater Kinney, neither of which do anything for me, but I don't think it's the case with most Cornell fans.

I was a fan of Soundgarden long before I had heard any PJ songs other than Alive and Even, flow, and the same goes for Audioslave. Audioslave were a decent enough band, and I reckon people like to bash them as much as they do as it seems to be the done thing.

I also love Euphoria Morning, but I have to say, Carry On isn't doing a thing for me at all. I would still like to see him live though.

Oh, and I'm really not a fan of his loose PJ connection band, TOTD.

Rhinocerous Surprise

audiodave wrote:

Oh, and I'm really not a fan of his loose PJ connection band, TOTD.

Different strokes and all that noise... But really?:p

I would have thought that was Cornell's universally-acknowledged triumphant moment.

muppet

"He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it."

Well Soundgarden and Pearl Jam both released popular albums round about the same time, and they were lumped in the 'grunge' catagory so I'm not surprised there are a lot of fans of Chris Cornell. Not everything has to be brought back to Pearl Jam.

Ledbetterman10

Tiki Barber wrote:

i see so much talk about chris cornell on this board. i'm assuming there are a lot of old grunge fans here since it is a pearl jam board but i just don't understand this. i think soundgarden was a descent band and cornell has a great voice but other than that everything post soundgarden i've heard from him has been shit in my opinion. i listened to his new album on myspace and it just sounds like the same old bland bullshit rock you hear on the modern rock radio stations all the time. i even think it's worse than audioslave which i also think was a pretty boring band. can someone please explain to me what is so great about this guy besides his voice (which you could say the same about shitty artists like daughtry), or is this just a loyalty issue. does anyone else agree that this guy is way overrated as a musician? don't jump on me here please, i'm just stating an opinion and want to hear an explanation.

dude, CORNELL IS GOD. don't you know anything?

audiodave

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Different strokes and all that noise... But really?:p

I would have thought that was Cornell's universally-acknowledged triumphant moment.

Yep. Really. Have the album...never listen to it.

stu gee

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

Its all personal opinion obviously, so saying '...this is why he recieves his demagogue status...' is complete nonsense, in my personal opinion.

I love Soundgarden and liked them before i knew of any connection with Pearl Jam. I like Sleater Kinney but didnt know there was a connection between them and Pearl Jam. I know there is a connection between Pearl Jam and Ben Harper, but havent heard enough of Ben Harper to discuss him. Finally, im not really a fan of REM.

stu gee

I actually think Cornell is a better singer than Eddie to be honest. Pearl Jam are my favourite band but Cornell's voice is good just now, and was out of this world with TOTD and Soundgarden.

Lifted

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

dude, CORNELL IS GOD. don't you know anything?

no i guess i don't know anything. but thanks a lot for the enlightenment. after that little bit of information i think i might have to go buy every album cornell was involved in. you really taught me something new, and for that i am thankful.

mauichick

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

Right, and i said along with...
To me, they're pretty darn equal and not because of any pj connection
I Love Chris's music and LIVE i get same chills I get seeing/hearing Eddie, especially this tour
If Carry On doesn't do anything for you, listen to Live in Sweden and see if you don't become a convert
Give us some credit for forming our own opinions...we're not sheep

PJ has definitely exposed me to music I might never have heard, but I'm not buying/supporting anyone I'm not into

and can everyone get over bashing Sleater Kinney
2 x I saw them live (not with PJ) they were incredible
Maybe they just had off night?

facepollution

dunkman wrote:

he said 'besides eddie' :rolleyes:


Cornell is vastly over-rated and the love for him on this board is so incestuous that it makes me NOT want to hear his new stuff...

He did some songs with PJ in the early days.. this is why he receives his demagogue status... like Ben Harper, Sleater-Kinney and all them... if there is a slight PJ connection then uberfans pick-up on it and just think its amazing without really formulating their own thoughts on it.

this liking things by PJ-osmosis was evident recently when Ed inducted REM into the Hall of Fame. some fans on here were out buying REM records the next day... why? had they never heard of REM before Eddie eulogised them.

anyway, Cornell is in that boat... he is idolised because he has a PJ connection... and uberfans simply cant NOT like him

I'm just as big a PJ fan as I am Cornell fan, always have been. His music moves me in the same way that PJ's does.

You say he's over-rated, but from my point of view there are barely any singers out there that can do what he can do with his voice, so for me he is a bit of a rarity, and hearing him at the moment on such great form totally confounds how I feel about his music.

wavescamecrashing

i bought vs and totd at the same time, btu already had ten and superunknown. its not about pitting pj and cc against each other but totd was, in eddies own words: 'a beautiful way to be introduced to the whole family' Cornell asked him to duet on hunger strike before pj had played a show together.

so stop whining, there is an undeniable connection between pj and cornell. like ive said many a time: if you dont like it, dont post on it.

jeff's_the_man

cornells new album extremly pop based, but i think its pretty obvious that that was the direction he wanted to go in. the mans been making riff rock based music for over 20 years, he's allowed a change. even if its not going to please everyone.

i still find it hard to see how people are getting annoyed about someone else being excited. it doesnt make any sense.....

oh and im one of those people who got to know cornell thru pj, and i think tarantula is a killer song....hope thats ok? wouldnt want to aggrevate anyone else with my excitement over both these artists present and future works... :S