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  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    Eddie KGB wrote:
    So if a good poster gets massed produced the art quality suddenly turns to crap?

    So does this mean you think Ames can "mass produce" these posters (screen printed on heavy stock) in the same manner a $5.99 Walmart poster is produced and still have a high quality piece of art? I find this difficult to believe. So... that said...you may correctly infer that I do beleive most (98%) of mass produced souvenier posters are crap. That is why I rather drop 30 bucks on a nice "art quality"poster than spend 10 bucks for three crappy ones.
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  • bicyclejoe
    bicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    Since there is a "possible" sale Tuesday, and, based on the amount of whining, moaning, bitchin', cryin' and pouting that went on here after the last sale, not to mention the accusations and finger pointing, some of you should log in now and start refreshing...just a little more than 24 hours to go...you'll get one this time!


    you're a dick.
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  • bicyclejoe
    bicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    Eddie KGB wrote:
    So if a good poster gets massed produced the art quality suddenly turns to crap?


    Usually. And what's the point in owning somethign everybody has?
    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    bicyclejoe wrote:
    you're a dick.
    Yes I do have one and it's rather large..thanks for noticing.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    I think Fleer went belly up last year...I may be wrong...Topps and UD both have about 20 versions each out...ranging from a couple a bucks a pack to... get this...over 50 bucks a pack for 2 or three cards...thank god I dont have kids into baseball cards...
    Yeah, my 12 year old nephew wanted me to take him to a card shop because he'd been saving his money and had $100 he was gonna spend on a pack of cards. I told him not only will I take him there but if I find out he spends his money that way I'm gonna kick him in the nuts as hard as I can.
  • Eddie KGB
    Eddie KGB Posts: 4
    bicyclejoe wrote:
    Usually. And what's the point in owning somethign everybody has?


    Shocker Alert: some people buy posters cause they like the art. Unfortunately, this hobby has turned into one that supports the idea of "I have it and you don't" rather than art appreciation....obviously.
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    Eddie KGB wrote:
    Shocker Alert: some people buy posters cause they like the art. Unfortunately, this hobby has turned into one that supports the idea of "I have it and you don't" rather than art appreciation....obviously.

    Thats exactly what happened to baseball cards....you used to open packs looking for rookie cards...then they introduced autos and game used cards along with "limited" serial #'d cards...alll of a sudden cards that were $1.50 for 10 card pack are now upwards of $50 for a two card pack...but you MAY pull a 1 of 1 Honus Wagner game used jock strap card, inserted randomly in 1 of every 80,000 packs ( or something similiarily insane) and then turn around and sell it for 5 grand on ebay....
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  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Yeah, my 12 year old nephew wanted me to take him to a card shop because he'd been saving his money and had $100 he was gonna spend on a pack of cards. I told him not only will I take him there but if I find out he spends his money that way I'm gonna kick him in the nuts as hard as I can.

    I agree 100%..swift kick in the ole family jewels ...I have a closet full of 10,000 (literally, no kidding, 10,000 plus) worthless "common" baseball cards because of what the card manufacturers did by putting in inserts and jacking prices to astronomical levels...It drove out the true collector...
    however, isn't this one of those adult/child, "do as I say, not as I do" scenarios? Cause in some sense, arent these posters just giant, limited edition "baseball cards" for adults? Just an observation.
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  • gregmac666
    gregmac666 Posts: 123
    Collectors will be collectors, and so shall they forever be.

    How many out there collect all the PJ bootlegs (official or otherwise)? How many collect all the promos (not just the USA ones - ALL of them)?

    There are some crazy people out there that will pay crazy money for pretty much EVERYTHING associated with their favorite bands. I'm not one of 'em, as I have to draw a line somewhere 'cause of the money, but I can see why people want all these posters. If someone wants to pay $300+ on eBay for a PJ print that they really want. Fair play to 'em.

    These things are LIMITED, and so become desirable just for that reason alone. I took a look at the Ames site & saw 2 that I liked, which I would love to see come up for the 10C members, but I still doubt I'll get 'em. There were many I didn't like, but that wouldn't stop others who are 'collectors'.

    If they got mass-produced (at least into their thousands, to be sold via the website), then they'd not be screen-prints, they'd probably end up being Lithos, and I think that PJ are not the sort of band for that kind of product.

    As big as PJ are, I think of them as a grass-roots kinda band. One to champion the underdog, weather that be a musician or other artist, and these guys that spend their lives trying to make a living from their prints are some of these underdogs. Ames may now be very well known, but there are many that are not. It takes dedication to do that kind of thing for a living, cos you make next to no money when you start out. and for quite some time after that. You have to hope that a big gig like a PJ tour comes your way.

    I think that it's great that this type of memorabilia is coming back (and has been for a good few years). If you can pay $20+ for a shirt, why not for a poster? T-shirts fade & go out of shape, but a poster can be framed & looked upon for years to come.

    I know we'd all like one, but what we want in life & what we can have are not the same. So chill-out - if you don't get one, it's tough. Move on.

    Go to gigposters.com & check out all the other bands you love & spend the money on another artists work via one of the links there. There's so much great art out there.
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  • mcocozza
    mcocozza Posts: 170
    Milestone wrote:
    Yes. Thanks to the fact that there are about 95 different card companies now, which flooded the market.

    When I was a kid, it was just Topps and Fleer. Just like how there is only Ames and Klausen.

    Hold on....you didn't have Donruss?
  • schmoff
    schmoff Posts: 428
    mcocozza wrote:
    Hold on....you didn't have Donruss?


    or Bowman, leaf, 0-pee-chee? there have always been alot of competition
    50+ shows and lost count somewhere along the way
  • mcocozza
    mcocozza Posts: 170
    schmoff wrote:
    or Bowman, leaf, 0-pee-chee? there have always been alot of competition

    No doubt, but in my youth, Topps/Fleer/Donruss were the big three, then Upper Deck came out in about '90 to make a four headed monster among the "normal" packs.
  • PJFaninIndy
    PJFaninIndy Westfield, IN Posts: 93
    mcocozza wrote:
    No doubt, but in my youth, Topps/Fleer/Donruss were the big three, then Upper Deck came out in about '90 to make a four headed monster among the "normal" packs.

    Not to be picky, but UD came out in 89...remember the Griffey Jr. rookie that was like $100 when it first came out? I'm not sure how much it is now but probably not $100!
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  • mcocozza
    mcocozza Posts: 170
    Ah, figured I'd be off by a year or two. Have two of those Griffey Jr's still.
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    PJFaninIndy wrote:
    Not to be picky, but UD came out in 89...remember the Griffey Jr. rookie that was like $100 when it first came out? I'm not sure how much it is now but probably not $100!

    Abnsolutely correct...no longer a hundred bucks...Here's one for $305.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/BGS-9-5-1989-UPPER-DECK-1-KEN-GRIFFEY-JR-RC-ROOKIE_W0QQitemZ260027661189QQihZ016QQcategoryZ55870QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    schmoff wrote:
    or Bowman, leaf, 0-pee-chee? there have always been alot of competition

    All owned by Topps...including statium club also....Upper deck owns Fleer so I believe that just leaves Score..I think Pinnacle is belly up also...So there are really just a couple of mega companies.(read: monopoly)
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    If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
    -Will Rogers
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  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    so, back to the posters...are we assuming tonight at 6p(pacific) is the next sale date or was I reading too much into the Santos post concerning no weekend or monday sales?
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    -Will Rogers
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  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    so, back to the posters...are we assuming tonight at 6p(pacific) is the next sale date or was I reading too much into the Santos post concerning no weekend or monday sales?

    just posted...actually about 20 minutes before you asked


    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=216111


    freakin newbie, this ain't the only thread on here ya know....;)


    ebay isn't evil people are


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  • mcocozza
    mcocozza Posts: 170
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    All owned by Topps...including statium club also....Upper deck owns Fleer so I believe that just leaves Score..I think Pinnacle is belly up also...So there are really just a couple of mega companies.(read: monopoly)

    Actually, duopoly or possibly oligopoly. Damn business school :)
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    dangerboy wrote:
    just posted...actually about 20 minutes before you asked


    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=216111


    freakin newbie, this ain't the only thread on here ya know....;)

    watch it freak boy or I'm not dropping off the bootlegs tonight...or pickin up the "kenny's"....so there!
    lol...just kidding where would I be without direction from the master of all things PJ...
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