British bands SUCK

catefrances

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Electronica is an ever broadening concept, and much of it is deliberately experimental, owing to many musical forms other than conventional rock, or even dance. Only a small amount of it is generic techno fodder. There's a lot of interesting electronica coming out of Sweden, right now, for example.

I'm all for musicians and producers trying to make new sounds, even if it means using setups other than guitar, bass and drums. In the right hands, I think electronica can convey a range of human feelings and nuances of experience, which your traditional, neanderthal three chords couldn't begin to articulate. If that's ignoring the roots of rock and roll, is it a bad thing?

personal preference fins.
if i allowed it, the white stripes doing 'little bird' could easily turn into my raison d'etre. add the drones doing kev carmody's 'river of tears' and i could be set for life.
and it's what is done with those co called neanderthal 3 chords that gets me going. and perhaps i am a basic person, but the majority of the time that's all i want. sure i branch out but it's what gets me going deep down inside my own self that i care about. and electronica doesn't do it for me. my daughter exposes me to enough for me to know that.

dunkman

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

which your traditional, neanderthal three chords couldn't begin to articulate.

The Beatles started their world domination on 3 chords...

i dont feel the need to type anything more than that

dunkman

catefrances wrote:

if i allowed it, the white stripes doing 'little bird' could easily turn into my raison d'etre.

Hotel Yorba... basically 3 chords throughout.. and yet all i want to do is nod my head, sing along and tap my feet... beautiful stuff can be very simple!

electronica creates a necessitude for complexity

Arctangent

TheHotRock wrote:

and so do the DJ's....except simon posford.



im talkin now, not 30-40 years ago.

you, sir, are a twat!

CornishMan

Without some of the great British bands of the past, Pearl Jam and many of the other great American bands would not even exist. I think it's pretty narrow minded to make that kind of a bold statement.

FinsburyParkCarrots

dunkman wrote:

The Beatles started their world domination on 3 chords...

i dont feel the need to type anything more than that

Nah, they started their world domination on layered vocal harmonies and a huge repertoire spanning everything from the three chords of Eddie Cochran, through the more sophisticated soul pop of Goffin and King to their own formative compositions, with often used quite harmomically complex chordal cycles, and unusual middle eights.

So there. ;)

FinsburyParkCarrots

catefrances wrote:

personal preference fins.
if i allowed it, the white stripes doing 'little bird' could easily turn into my raison d'etre. add the drones doing kev carmody's 'river of tears' and i could be set for life.
and it's what is done with those co called neanderthal 3 chords that gets me going. and perhaps i am a basic person, but the majority of the time that's all i want. sure i branch out but it's what gets me going deep down inside my own self that i care about. and electronica doesn't do it for me. my daughter exposes me to enough for me to know that.

Wait until she brings home Brian Eno's "Ambient 1: Music For Airports".

soulsinging

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Electronica is an ever broadening concept, and much of it is deliberately experimental, owing to many musical forms other than conventional rock, or even dance. Only a small amount of it is generic techno fodder. There's a lot of interesting electronica coming out of Sweden, right now, for example.

I'm all for musicians and producers trying to make new sounds, even if it means using setups other than guitar, bass and drums. In the right hands, I think electronica can convey a range of human feelings and nuances of experience, which your traditional, neanderthal three chords couldn't begin to articulate. If that's ignoring the roots of rock and roll, is it a bad thing?

i just fail to see how pushing buttons on a computer makes one a musician. beethoven wrote symphonies and played piano while he was DEAF. that's a musician!

FinsburyParkCarrots

soulsinging wrote:

i just fail to see how pushing buttons on a computer makes one a musician. beethoven wrote symphonies and played piano while he was DEAF. that's a musician!

If Beethoven were around today, he'd use a big row of oscillators, and orchestrate music according to speaker vibrations.

Eno takes pride in not being a musician, but in many ways he's more of a musician than an archetypal thrash guitar twiddler with hyperactive fingers and no sense of tone, because he uses unconventional methods to create art from sonic textures that enhance mood or consciousness. Whose music seems more interesting, novel and inspiring to other musicians, listeners or writers: Eno's or Yngwie Malmsteen's?


The Wikipedia article on him is pretty good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_eno

FinsburyParkCarrots

Oh, and I was avoiding the obligatory reference to Stockhausen, but what the hell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockhausen

hendrix78

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Electronica is an ever broadening concept, and much of it is deliberately experimental, owing to many musical forms other than conventional rock, or even dance. Only a small amount of it is generic techno fodder. There's a lot of interesting electronica coming out of Sweden, right now, for example.

I'm all for musicians and producers trying to make new sounds, even if it means using setups other than guitar, bass and drums. In the right hands, I think electronica can convey a range of human feelings and nuances of experience, which your traditional, neanderthal three chords couldn't begin to articulate. If that's ignoring the roots of rock and roll, is it a bad thing?

There is nothing neanderthal or limited about 3 chords in the right hands. Three chords on a guitar can convey far more than a bunch of blips and bleeps over a repetitive beat will ever be able to, in my opinion. Just because it has been done many times before doesn't mean there is nothing left to do with it. The truly creative van take 3 chords and make it into something new. I believe McCartney once said something along the lines of "there are plenty of great songs yet to be written in the key of C."

I've tried to get into techno and, while some of the beats can be interesting, it is just too cold and inhuman to ever have the same power as rock, or jazz, or blues, etc for me.

As for HotRock's claim that music with hooks is for unintelligent people, try writing a great hook and you will see that it takes far more talent and creativity than programming a beat.

soulsinging

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If Beethoven were around today, he'd use a big row of oscillators, and orchestrate music according to speaker vibrations.

Eno takes pride in not being a musician, but in many ways he's more of a musician than an archetypal thrash guitar twiddler with hyperactive fingers and no sense of tone, because he uses unconventional methods to create art from sonic textures that enhance mood or consciousness. Whose music seems more interesting, novel and inspiring to other musicians, listeners or writers: Eno's or Yngwie Malmsteen's?


The Wikipedia article on him is pretty good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_eno

i dont know who either of those people are maybe im just dense... i dont have the patience for subtle sonic textures. and my feeling is that musicians make music and to be a musician, you must play some sort of music. then again, i guess singers don't. so maybe im just annoyed as shit by techno-geeks. house music and rave music is some of the worst atrocities ever perpetrated against humankind. i do listen to sigur ros and admire some of radiohead's later work, so i see what you're getting at and that's cool. it doesn't do it for me... i just cant get into it like i can rock. there's no emotion, no blood, sweat, and tears. i can't envision a live show with missed flubs, sweat pouring, crowds singing, and everything i love about the blues and rock. i picture a DJ, hopelessly obsessed with looking cool with his headphones, and scratching and clothes, turning knobs and not moving and never pouring any soul into his work, let alone into the crowd. i cannot envision an electronica live music experience that even comes close to the human passion of a pearl jam show. to me, it's like the difference between reading a poem about sex, which might be good and intellectually stimulating, and actually having sex, which is the real deal and beyond words.

plus, i just like to make fun of X-poppin rave dorks, kinda like i enjoy making fun of goth nerds, emo dweebs, grunge morons, and country yokels... i dont discriminate, i loathe you all equally!

hendrix78

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If Beethoven were around today, he'd use a big row of oscillators, and orchestrate music according to speaker vibrations.

Eno takes pride in not being a musician, but in many ways he's more of a musician than an archetypal thrash guitar twiddler with hyperactive fingers and no sense of tone, because he uses unconventional methods to create art from sonic textures that enhance mood or consciousness. Whose music seems more interesting, novel and inspiring to other musicians, listeners or writers: Eno's or Yngwie Malmsteen's?


The Wikipedia article on him is pretty good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_eno

I'll take Hendrix over either of them. I do respect Eno, though.

FinsburyParkCarrots

hendrix78 wrote:

I'll take Hendrix over either of them. I do respect Eno, though.

Oh, I'd take Hendrix, too, over everyone, full stop. But did you know Jimi owned an early synthesiser, and in his last interview with Keith Altham was talking about using an oscillator?

dunkman

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Nah, they started their world domination on layered vocal harmonies and a huge repertoire spanning everything from the three chords of Eddie Cochran, through the more sophisticated soul pop of Goffin and King to their own formative compositions, with often used quite harmomically complex chordal cycles, and unusual middle eights.

So there. ;)

still using 3 chords though


first ever lennon/mcartney recording of In Spite of all the DAnger was with 3 chords... thats where the revoultion started

hendrix78

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Oh, I'd take Hendrix, too, over everyone, full stop. But did you know Jimi owned an early synthesiser, and in his last interview with Keith Altham was talking about using an oscillator?

Yeah, I've heard his version of the Star Spangled Banner done with a synthesizer. I'm all for branching out and using new technology, but I still doubt that anything will ever move me like the sound of an electric guitar in the hands of someone who can really play. And by "really play" I mean someone who has plenty of technical ability, but uses it to convey something passionate and musical, not just to show how fast they can play.

Have you heard any of Jeff Beck's electronica stuff? I think it's a pretty good example of taking the interesting parts of electronica, and making it more interesting by combining it with rock guitar playing. I recommend the "You Had It Coming" album. It has a very cool version of the Muddy Waters classic "rollin and tumblin."

FinsburyParkCarrots

Yep, but that song was crap, though, Dunkman!

dunkman

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Yep, but that song was crap, though, Dunkman!

wish i'd wrote it wouldnt be sitting here pretending to do work... i'd be on a beach being wafted cool by boobs

FinsburyParkCarrots

hendrix78 wrote:

Yeah, I've heard his version of the Star Spangled Banner done with a synthesizer. I'm all for branching out and using new technology, but I still doubt that anything will ever move me like the sound of an electric guitar in the hands of someone who can really play. And by "really play" I mean someone who has plenty of technical ability, but uses it to convey something passionate and musical, not just to show how fast they can play.

Have you heard any of Jeff Beck's electronica stuff? I think it's a pretty good example of taking the interesting parts of electronica, and making it more interesting by combining it with rock guitar playing. I recommend the "You Had It Coming" album. It has a very cool version of the Muddy Waters classic "rollin and tumblin."

Oh, the studio Star Spangled Banner is all guitar. It was done at the Record Plant in March 1969. It just uses multispeed tracking, and creates some synthy-type tones.


Yep, I've heard Jeff's stuff. I think electronica can be very liberating for musicians brought up on conventional instrumentation. Personally, I was a strict acoustic musician for years, having started out playing electric blues guitar. Now, I'm enjoying the possibilities of using drum programs and synth loops (but I create the music first).

A great example of a British musician who explores different genres and their potential is John Martyn. Asked about why he refuses to be pigeonholed, he says, "Have you seen the size of a pigeon's hole?"

Jeremy1012

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Wait until she brings home Brian Eno's "Ambient 1: Music For Airports".

that was about to be my response to those who said that electronic music was all crap. It's not like Eno can't play actual instruments either.