Babyshambles & The Libertines

KellerKeller Posts: 177
edited November 2006 in Other Music
I always hear so much in the news about Pete Doherty and his drug issues and this and that, but i also hear he has a ton of talent. I have never heard anything from either band. Some people say they are real big in UK and europe. What do you guys think of them? Is any of their music worth a listen?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    anything is worth a listen if only to form your own opinion.
    i like both the libertines and babyshambles. there's no doubt that pete doherty is a fuckup but it's also difficult to differentiate between what is real and what is put on. half the time i think the media are their own victim.
    babyshambles' album, 'down in albion' is as raw as hell but there are some rough diamonds there.
    carl barat has a new band too, called dirty pretty things.
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  • Pete Docherty? Ugh, I just think..... well... ugh.... never mind. Get ye to a nunnery.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • amentvedderamentvedder Posts: 3,610
    I can't see wot the big deal is with Pete..sure he takes drugs, not really any my business i just love the music he makes..i mean all the best front men were tee-total eh :rolleyes:
    I can't recommend The Libertines AND Babyshambles enuff to you! The other half of The Libs Carl also has a new band out Dirty Pretty Things who are also really good!

    You can sample them on itunes or something..i think you should give "Don't Look Back Into The Sun" by The Libs a try..i can't imagine any1 NOT liking this song it's an amazing tune!

    Babyshambles "F**k Forever" "Loyalty Song" and "Albion" are my fav tunes, again off an amzing record!

    Some say Pete has a mono tone crap voice..hmm i actually really like the rawness of it he's pure Rock N Roll!! lol
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    Both of these bands seriously suck ASS.
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  • Overated Shite!

    More famous for tabloid space than actual Music, listen to the Babyshambles album if you like, but you can't get that time back, and time is precious so I'd woudn't bother and use your time more productively, we have to listen here in the UK how talented these band's are and it's a joke.

    Don't beleive the Hype!
  • amentvedderamentvedder Posts: 3,610
    It's also fun liking bands people diss constant, you should form your own opinion..they are like bumholes, we all got 1..some1 into death metal etc is never gonna like them it's wot u call music taste :)
  • It's also fun liking bands people diss constant, you should form your own opinion..they are like bumholes, we all got 1..some1 into death metal etc is never gonna like them it's wot u call music taste :)

    I agree wholeheartedly with this poster. Libertines and Babyshambles are like bumholes. :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • amentvedderamentvedder Posts: 3,610
    I agree wholeheartedly with this poster. Libertines and Babyshambles are like bumholes. :D

    I'm gonna send Pete round to you..he will be armed with a needle! :D
  • psycosmicpsycosmic Posts: 504
    i like the libertines more than babyshambles and dirty pretty things... i think both lack the synergy of the two frontmen...
    listen to the libs' album "up the bracket" and make up your own opinion...

    i still like some of babyshambles' music but pete is really pissing me off... he's talented but a total fuckup... i just don't care anymore if he got arrested again or didn't show up to a gig, i'm not interested... i also think that a lot of the media attention is intended and just takes away too much from the music...
    i hope he doesn't kill himself too soon to be immortalized for the wrong reasons...

    i think it's kinda sad that most people (like the thread starter) haven't been exposed to the music but only the gossip...
    the libertines were a great band but will go down in history as the group of kate moss' crackhead ex-boyfriend... what a waster...
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  • Libertines were top, a bit overrated but the tunes were good nuff. Dirty Shitty Things are a bit wank cause they're a reincarnation of The Libertines just without tunes and nothing original up they sleeves. Saw them live a few weeks ago and they were PAINFULLY boring, crowd went nuts and for what?!?!?

    Babyshambles... listen to their "album" and make up your own opinion. I don't have enough negative vocabulary to put my thoughts of this "band" to paper...
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    Overated Shite!

    More famous for tabloid space than actual Music, listen to the Babyshambles album if you like, but you can't get that time back, and time is precious so I'd woudn't bother and use your time more productively, we have to listen here in the UK how talented these band's are and it's a joke.

    Don't beleive the Hype!

    Ha ha, overrated shite. Pete Doherty is a bit of a mess yes, but lyrically he is absolutely untouchable. I prefer the libertines to babyshambles but love both of them really.

    I listened to and loved the libs before i ever really knew who pete doherty was so people who say that fans are just attracted to the news stories are very much mistaken.

    Someone asked in another thread if anyone shared the same passion for PJ with any other bands and the libertines and babyshambles are along with pj, the only bands i can happily spend all day listening to.

    Its very different music from PJ but i completely adore everything about them, particularly the recording style.

    I would encourage anyone with musical taste, and obviously everyone has this on a pearl jam forum, to disregard this person's very negative and unfair post, and make their own minds up.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    Libertines were top, a bit overrated but the tunes were good nuff. Dirty Shitty Things are a bit wank cause they're a reincarnation of The Libertines just without tunes and nothing original up they sleeves. Saw them live a few weeks ago and they were PAINFULLY boring, crowd went nuts and for what?!?!?

    Babyshambles... listen to their "album" and make up your own opinion. I don't have enough negative vocabulary to put my thoughts of this "band" to paper...

    I saw Dirty Pretty things last week and it was one of the best live performances i have ever seen. Each member of the band were completely on top of their game. Saw babyshambles a couple days after that and although they were much better than the last time i saw them, dpt totally put them to shame.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • stu gee wrote:
    Ha ha, overrated shite. Pete Doherty is a bit of a mess yes, but lyrically he is absolutely untouchable. I prefer the libertines to babyshambles but love both of them really.

    I listened to and loved the libs before i ever really knew who pete doherty was so people who say that fans are just attracted to the news stories are very much mistaken.

    Someone asked in another thread if anyone shared the same passion for PJ with any other bands and the libertines and babyshambles are along with pj, the only bands i can happily spend all day listening to.

    Its very different music from PJ but i completely adore everything about them, particularly the recording style.

    I would encourage anyone with musical taste, and obviously everyone has this on a pearl jam forum, to disregard this person's very negative and unfair post, and make their own minds up.


    Unfair post, is it, The Libertines & Babyshambles have survived on the back of the NME continuall y giving them props, I've heard all their albums and the Babyshambles is particulary dire, I know many people who share the same opinion about these bands as well, Why is that some skag head gets called a genius, Doherty is a disgrace, he has no desire to clean up and is onthe path to self destruction, this is the kinda of influence we want to be sending out to young people is it, Lets do some smack and we're a musical genius, the press continue to tell him he's a legend and they are feeding the monster he has become, as for the music when ever I hear his wretched little voice it makes me wanna puke.

    Gone are the days of bands getting sucess off the back of good music, it's all about image and bad boy reputation and young people lap it up.

    This little twerp is an example of what's wrong with music today as for lyrics being untouchable don't make me laugh!
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    Keller wrote:
    I always hear so much in the news about Pete Doherty and his drug issues and this and that, but i also hear he has a ton of talent. I have never heard anything from either band. Some people say they are real big in UK and europe. What do you guys think of them? Is any of their music worth a listen?

    Don't bother... over-rated, hyped up shite from a total waste of space...
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  • Unfair post, is it, The Libertines & Babyshambles have survived on the back of the NME continuall y giving them props, I've heard all their albums and the Babyshambles is particulary dire, I know many people who share the same opinion about these bands as well, Why is that some skag head gets called a genius, Doherty is a disgrace, he has no desire to clean up and is onthe path to self destruction, this is the kinda of influence we want to be sending out to young people is it, Lets do some smack and we're a musical genius, the press continue to tell him he's a legend and they are feeding the monster he has become, as for the music when ever I hear his wretched little voice it makes me wanna puke.

    Gone are the days of bands getting sucess off the back of good music, it's all about image and bad boy reputation and young people lap it up.

    This little twerp is an example of what's wrong with music today as for lyrics being untouchable don't make me laugh!

    Hear hear! Why is it that just because we hold this (ultimately correct) opinion we are not 'forming our own opinion'. I've spent WAY too bloody long forming opinions of these bands and their spawn. NME have force-fed me the agonising need to 'form an opinion.' Doherty's lyrics 'untouchable'? Doherty's lyrics are as 'untouchable' as my arse thirty seconds before the crap comes out. My (carefully thought-out) opinion? Someone really hot is giving the press sexual favours so they'll push these bands.

    Sorry for the questionable language... this subject gets me riled up.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Doherty is a disgrace, he has no desire to clean up and is onthe path to self destruction, this is the kinda of influence we want to be sending out to young people is it, Lets do some smack and we're a musical genius, the press continue to tell him he's a legend and they are feeding the monster he has become, as for the music when ever I hear his wretched little voice it makes me wanna puke.

    Gone are the days of bands getting sucess off the back of good music, it's all about image and bad boy reputation and young people lap it up.

    you mean like those equally notorious drug-abusing "legends" such as jimi hendrix, janis joplin, jim morrison, kurt cobain, keith moon, etc...?
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    you mean like those equally notorious drug-abusing "legends" such as jimi hendrix, janis joplin, jim morrison, kurt cobain, keith moon, etc...?

    No... they had talent...
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  • you mean like those equally notorious drug-abusing "legends" such as jimi hendrix, janis joplin, jim morrison, kurt cobain, keith moon, etc...?

    I don't have much time for Cobain, the others mentioned did indulge but at least they produced some great everlasting music before ending it in a Drugged up tragedy. Doherty as far out lived his press now and should get himself together or fuck off. These peope didn't just live off their press.

    Will Up the Bracket be remembered in 30 years time I think not, we will always have drugs in Music but Doherty habit is far too public, and he seems to be feeding off his tabloid persona

    I don't wish a Rock'n' Roll martyrs death on him, for one it would cement his place in music history something he certainly dosn't deserve.

    NME continue to lionise him as some kinda hero, he was a No.2 in their poll recently just behind that other Skag head Cobain.

    That's right Doherty is a bigger music icon than Bono, Morrissey, Lennon & Neil Young.
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    Unfair post, is it, The Libertines & Babyshambles have survived on the back of the NME continuall y giving them props, I've heard all their albums and the Babyshambles is particulary dire, I know many people who share the same opinion about these bands as well, Why is that some skag head gets called a genius, Doherty is a disgrace, he has no desire to clean up and is onthe path to self destruction, this is the kinda of influence we want to be sending out to young people is it, Lets do some smack and we're a musical genius, the press continue to tell him he's a legend and they are feeding the monster he has become, as for the music when ever I hear his wretched little voice it makes me wanna puke.

    Gone are the days of bands getting sucess off the back of good music, it's all about image and bad boy reputation and young people lap it up.

    This little twerp is an example of what's wrong with music today as for lyrics being untouchable don't make me laugh!

    If you dont like his lyrics then fine, but i think people should take the oppertunity to make their own decisions.

    Your entitled to your opinion. But what press is this you are banging on about? Every time i read about pete doherty its something negative, they are never, ever calling him a legend.

    Suppose your right about the drugs though, because no talented musician would ever touch them, and they are all clean cut, healthy living individuals, and always have been.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • psycosmicpsycosmic Posts: 504
    Why is it that just because we hold this (ultimately correct) opinion we are not 'forming our own opinion'.

    the ultimate problem in these discussions is the fact that people don't let any other opinions count...

    i personally really like the libertines and can take or leave babyshambles and dirty pretty things, but i strongly dislike the public figure pete doherty...

    even if i'd never go as far and call him a genius i can still acknowledge his talent... and people getting all worked up about it shows that he must have done something right...
    i don't get all the bashing... it's just music... tastes are different...
    and we're talking about musicians who write their own tunes and believe in their art, not some fabricated teeny boppers...

    i really don't like oasis, for example (bar a few tunes), but i can respect people who like them... they will most probably hate most of the stuff i'm listening to and that's a good thing... more space for me rocking out at my favourite band's concert...

    i don't care all that much about babyshambles so i don't really know why i'm even defending them... i lost a LOT of respect for pete doherty in the recent months...
    but at least respect different opinions...
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    psycosmic wrote:
    i don't care all that much about babyshambles so i don't really know why i'm even defending them... i lost a LOT of respect for pete doherty in the recent months...
    but at least respect different opinions...

    i think this is what gets me. it's not enough that x band doesnt appeal to someone. they they feel the need to validate themselves and their opinion by labelling them no-talent hacks or something and claiming that anyone who likes them must be mindless followers of the press. ive never listened to the libertines, dont know a thing about them. but as you said, if they're getting people this riled up, there must be a reason so now i want to check them out.

    it's like some people feel the need to trash anything that is considered popular at the moment. when the strokes are in, they hate on the strokes to be cool (yet ironically when ed starts saying how much he loves them the haters get quiet). i like oasis, i can see why not everyone does but i can't see why anyone would say they're a no talent worthless band that nobody should ever listen to unless they're sheep. that's pretty high and mighty of them. at the same time, i dont much care for radiohead. i have my views on their music and it just doesnt appeal to me. but i can see why some people might enjoy it.

    everyone's got their preferences, i just think a little more respect for differences in opinion is in order, on both sides.
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    i think this is what gets me. it's not enough that x band doesnt appeal to someone. they they feel the need to validate themselves and their opinion by labelling them no-talent hacks or something and claiming that anyone who likes them must be mindless followers of the press. ive never listened to the libertines, dont know a thing about them. but as you said, if they're getting people this riled up, there must be a reason so now i want to check them out.

    it's like some people feel the need to trash anything that is considered popular at the moment. when the strokes are in, they hate on the strokes to be cool (yet ironically when ed starts saying how much he loves them the haters get quiet). i like oasis, i can see why not everyone does but i can't see why anyone would say they're a no talent worthless band that nobody should ever listen to unless they're sheep. that's pretty high and mighty of them. at the same time, i dont much care for radiohead. i have my views on their music and it just doesnt appeal to me. but i can see why some people might enjoy it.

    everyone's got their preferences, i just think a little more respect for differences in opinion is in order, on both sides.

    I know what you mean. Occasionally i will say a negative comment about a band, but i honestly couldnt be bothered attacking people's personal opinions on them.

    I'd rather just listen to any music that i happen to like and let other people do the same.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • pearlzepfanpearlzepfan Posts: 456
    Anyone who can write the line "if you've lost your faith in love and music then the end won't be long, cuz if it's gone for you I too may lose it and that would be wrong" is worth a listen. The Libertines debut album is brilliant. Get it as soon as you can.
    "I'm a thief, and I dig it"
  • IgottagoIgottago Posts: 483
    I really like the Libertines stuff. Its hard not to get annoyed with the media tabloid stuff, but they have some great music on their albums. Definitely worth picking up, IMO.
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    Anyone who can write the line "if you've lost your faith in love and music then the end won't be long, cuz if it's gone for you I too may lose it and that would be wrong" is worth a listen. The Libertines debut album is brilliant. Get it as soon as you can.


    I love that song. 'music when the lights go out' on the self titled album is great as well.


    "is it cruel to be kind not to speak my mind and to lie to you rather than hurt you
    well ill confess all of my sins after several large gins but still ill hide from you, hide whats
    inside from you
    and alarm bells ring, when you say your heart still sings when your with me, oh darling please forgive me,
    but i no longer hear the music oh no no no no

    and all the memories of the pubs and the clubs, and the drugs and the tubs we shared together
    will stay with me forever..
    but all the highs and the lows and the to's and the fro's they left me dizzy oh wont you please
    forgive me..."

    For all his problems i still love his song writing.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • Gosh this is a popular thread!

    OK, so I've thought about it, and I am sorry for some of the harsh words up top. I'm an opinionated *&^%$)_) sometimes, and I splurt off things, and then regret them later.

    Acting all 'no one is allowed to like the Libertines' and stuff is ridiculous, and I'm sorry to whoever I was rude to about it (I'm sure there are a couple of you, and I'm sorry). I'm passionate about music, that's all.

    As to my unadulterated, yet un-rude opinion: I just can't tell the wood from the trees (or the press from the music) when it comes to Pete Doherty. It is very strange how many people herald him as a rock god in the UK on a par with Cobain, when many of us hadn't heard of him a year ago. I do try my best to be 'OK, fair enough', but I don't get it. I saw a dvd called something like Pete Doherty: Rock Legend' in a shop the other day, and the blurb on the back talked of him as if he was a 75 year old blues legend worthy of a life time achievement award. To be honest, my little bro gave me a listen of the Libs on his headphones. It was OK, musically. But I can't past the fact that he was into LL Cool, Slim Shady and Snoop Dog a year ago. He's just gone to a posh London University, he does that side swipe of his fringe, wears a wavey-haired mullet and a long corduroy jacket and a scarf, and talks about 'new wave' like it only started happening last week. Now the Libs, Baby Shambles and DPT are what is COOL. What's next?

    Again. I didn't mean to cause any offence. Reasoned debate is good.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • pearlzepfanpearlzepfan Posts: 456
    People have to stop worrying about how many drugs Pete will take this night or how many times he can get arrested in a week and just listen to the music. That's what it's all about anyways,
    "I'm a thief, and I dig it"
  • elstongunnelstongunn Posts: 285
    in my head you all sound like billy elliot.
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    EVACUATION!!
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  • KellerKeller Posts: 177
    People have to stop worrying about how many drugs Pete will take this night or how many times he can get arrested in a week and just listen to the music. That's what it's all about anyways,


    Agreed 100% and i have yet to get a chance to listen to anything from him. I can care less what kinda of drugs he does as long as hes puting out music that i like to listen to. It's your life. Do whatcha want. Drugs sometimes inspire great music. Not that i recommend you go stick a neddle in you.
    "Be what you want to be, see what you came to see"
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    I wouldnt encourage anyone to do drugs at all, but if i was gonna stop listening to musicians who had at some stage used drugs, my music collection would be pretty shit.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
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