Kiedis's Cobain reenactment: Disrespectful?

dontgimmenolip

WhatWouldWellstoneDo wrote:

I'm rather sick of all the Kurt Cobain dick-sucking out there these days. He's no Hendrix, Joplin, Garcia, Morrison, etc. He was a weak-willed man who made "good music" and really stood on the shoulders of Paul Westerberg, Frank Black, and Bob Mould- this he admitted. His heroes were true rock visionairies who all resisted stardom, and disbanded their vehicles when they warned of getting too big. Kurt didn't and became the full-fledged rock star who his heroes despised. That killed him, and I really did like Kurt, but who gives a shit whether Anthony disrespected him, he's not really rock royalty as many of you kiddies think. What's really sad is that music has devolved so much that he would even be considered a legend.

This is what it sounds like when you get served.

Fucking A!

Fabes

Jeremy1012 wrote:

anyone who is offended by this needs to get life. they are giving nods to bands as a tribute, and besides, since when did blowing your brains out give you some sort of sacred shield from ever being mentioned?

My thoughts exactly.

cafeamericain

to me it seems like they are praising the individual/group/genre, not disrespecting them at all...the original poster said "To me, it's a sacred thing, and they shouldn't mess with that Unplugged episode even in tribute" ...i'm sorry but that sounds as absurd as "mohammed is a sacred thing, and they shouldn't mess with portrayal of him in a cartoon even in tribute"

WhatWouldWellstoneDo

cafeamericain wrote:

to me it seems like they are praising the individual/group/genre, not disrespecting them at all...the original poster said "To me, it's a sacred thing, and they shouldn't mess with that Unplugged episode even in tribute" ...i'm sorry but that sounds as absurd as "mohammed is a sacred thing, and they shouldn't mess with portrayal of him in a cartoon even in tribute"

Exactly. I also was annoyed when Nirvana were seen as some sort of savior, some death-knell to Hair Metal. Yes, their popularity helped to turn the tide, but what they did was not new. Grunge, the sound, the look, were not new or exclusive to Seattle. Much of it was owed to the Northeast, i.e. Boston, and the Minneapolis scene. If you want to see early examples of the grunge look, look at mid-80's Soul Asylum, or Husker Du, or the Replacements, or for god's sake, Neil Young's entire career. I've outgrown Bleach, Nevermind, etc, but I always turn back to the Pixies, Replacements, etc, because they were the real deal. Even though I despise Anthony Kiedis, i even would say the RHCP's are/were more vital. The fact that PJ has survived is a testament to them being a real rock band, and not a categorical one-off, or grunge band. It's the same with Hole and L7, if you know their histories, you'd know they'd never be as big without their connection to Minneapolis' Babes In Toyland. Courtney Love was a stripper at a seedy St. Paul strip club when she was kissing their ass and perfecting her shtick.

culot4

They're paying homage to all of their influences and friends..Check out this pic

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/culot4/5d504142.jpg

It is not disrespectful at all. As already pointed out the scene includes the line "Gone too fast" followed by a shot of a burnt out candle. They had fun with the video but they werent cheapshots. Whoever said the burnt out candle was a coincidence....I mean come on.

catefrances

you know the first time i saw this video i had to leave the room. but the rest of the vid is so funny that now i'm over the nirvana part and can enjoy it along with the remainder of the clip. i love perving on john frusciante anyway. he looks real good in some parts.
and for christs sake it's the chilli peppers they wouldn't know serious if it bit them on the arse.

benjs

Ben Red Blue wrote:

I believe the editor of the video knows. Great timing? Coincidence? Seriously?...

Exactly. In the commercial world, there's no such thing as a coincidence.

Inkdaub

Stuff like that doesn't bother me.

depplover

i hate the song and video..

Pearl Jam and toast

chris01 wrote:

None of what they did was disrespectful to any bands, its was a celebration of the music that they respect over the years.

Someone else pointed this out when the vid first came out. When they're doing the Nirvana bit there is a candle on and just at the end of the clip he sing 'Gone too fast' (i think) and the candle is out. I thought that was an awesome part of the video.

Anyone who thinks its disrespectful is, well, wrong, lol.

"and Cobain can you hear the spheres singing songs off station to station?

out of their arms, not far away it's californifaction"

Californication is Part 1 of this trio (2 being By the Way and 3 Dani Cal.)

Kurt's got a place in the story in some way.

it wasn't direspectful.

analogueaddict72

Oh again it's the disrespecting Kurt thing.

I for one got sick off all Cobain cock sucking, Kurt was some kinda Jesus while Eddie wasn't for real, but at least Vedder's still here and his lyrics make sence, when is everyone gonna get off this Nirvana were the best band in the world, they wern't even the best band in seattle let alone the world.

In the Uk we have to hear countless time that the Stone Roses Debut ( a great record no denying) is the most important and best British album of all time. Count the amount of times it ends up at No. 1, Yeah thats right it's better than revolver , Darkside, Led Zep 1, Ziggy Stardust. I don't think so, their is just a habit of elevating bands and artists who deliver one great record then burn out to mythical status, it pisses me off, so if the chili peppers are taking the piss or playing homage who gives a Fuck Cobain was a human being and a pretty flawed one at that so stop lionising some Junky who wrote handful of good songs and then checked out

ediger

I will still listen to my Nirvana albums, but I completely agree with the people that say they haven't held up over time like some other bands. Do I listen to Nevermind as often as say Trompe Le Monde, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Badmotorfinger or any number of other albums simply from 1991? Not even close.

Kurt Cobain was a great songwriter who made some pretty stupid, undefendable decisions which I think greatly tarnishes any lasting image he has. It shouldn't take away from the work he did as a musician, but in a lot of peoples opinions it does.

I personally don't think the Dani California video was disrespectful in anyway. Well, maybe to Dave Grohl a bit.

Pearl Jam and toast

Not to change the subject.. but since it already has..

Nirvana was the weakest band from the era.

Pixies (little before, but since you already mentioned them...)
Pearl Jam
Screaming Trees
SOUNDGARDEN
Alice
Mother Love Bone even..

Nirvana just doesn't hold up.

look at the unplugged show.. what were the highlights?

when the meatpuppets came out and showed Kurt what playing a guitar well looked like..

and their Bowie and Ledbelly covers..

and maybe all apologies..

Great band (nirvana) but don't try to compare them to the rest of that crowd...

and in Utero beat the hell out of Nevermind :cool:

riantLoVEsu

You know, you all are whacked with your sensitive selves. It was a tribute -- not a mockery! Ok, maybe a little chiding involved, but that is their sense of humor intact, its still a tribute. get over yourself.

Wakin' up, feeling rough
Totally stressed
Every day it's a dead time
Step by step
Hit a wall, took a fall
To a new depth
Count to ten, focusin'
Take a deep breath

In a world that is close to breakin'
I thought that you were my friend
In a world that is full of hatin'
And about to descend
I just smile and pretend

I'm a million miles away from it all
And let it go right over my head
Let 'em chase and the winner take all
And let it go right over my head
Over my head, yeah
Over my head
Over my head

Everywhere, everyone
Questioning me
Are you ill? Are you well?
Do you like being free?

Pearl Jam and toast

is that a new RHCP song or did you pull it out of your ass?

chris01

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

when the meatpuppets came out and showed Kurt what playing a guitar well looked like..

Have you heard Meatpuppets own version of their songs?

I dont know if it was Kurt or their own guitar playing that made them sound good but the Meatpuppets versions of the 3 songs on Unplugged absolutly blow, lol.

Igottago

wow...a lot of cobain bashing going on here..but without Nirvana, none of the other "superior" bands would've been heard. Cobain was flawed, and maybe his music wasn't technically complex, but it was still great music, which to this day, despite being so "easy", has never been replicated. Try as they might, the imitators sound nothing like Nirvana, and no one ever will. There was such passion and genuine authenticity in the music. And he always gave kudos to his influences, the pixies etc. Let's face it, smells like teen spirit knocked Michael Jackson from the top of the charts...who else could've done that? That was a fucking good thing, and the floodgates opened..Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and a ton of others all had major success because of it.

I haven't seen the RHCP video and dont really care to..but the Cobain scene probably wouldn't offend me.

Pearl Jam and toast

chris01 wrote:

Have you heard Meatpuppets own version of their songs?

I dont know if it was Kurt or their own guitar playing that made them sound good but the Meatpuppets versions of the 3 songs on Unplugged absolutly blow, lol.

meatpuppets can't sing i know that,.. but they played 3 of the best songs nirvana has ever had credited to them that night.

Kurt did make the song too,.. but the guitars were even more important.

riantLoVEsu

Ah yes i pulled it straight out my azz just for you--want to tell me how it smells chickadee??? Im pretty sure its real sweet to such an wonder hole muff diver like you! And are u all of 12 years old, maybe, or just too stupid to recognize all and anything resembling truth?

...so if the chili peppers are taking the piss or playing homage who gives a Fuck Cobain was a human being and a pretty flawed one at that so stop lionising some Junky who wrote handful of good songs and then checked out...

Now that was spoke. Amen brother! May Curt Cobain rest in rock n roll heaven.

Binaural

The video uses artists who have made a huge impact on music today. It wasn't disrespect, although I agree they shouldn't have done it, they should have picked a far better band.





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