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This is getting absolutely ridiculous....STP in NJ & Live Nation fees

PJ2k3PJ2k3 Posts: 218
edited April 2008 in The Porch
How many threads are out there complaining about the tour ticket prices?

You think $84 per ticket for PJ at MSG is bad? Try $59.50 for STONE TEMPLE PILOTS at an amphitheater in Holmdel, NJ. Tag on the $6 parking fee PER TICKET and the $12.60 convenience fee PER TICKET (WTF?) and you're looking at nearly $80 to see fucking STP! They aren't even on the same level!

So if you travel in a group to a show, say 6 people can fit in my Murano, I've just paid $36 to park and $75.60 to Live Nation for them to put a stamp on my envelope. I can understand concert prices being high, but talk about gouging. I thought this whole Live Nation thing was supposed to help lower those fees since TM wasn't exclusive at every venue now. Between the fees and the merch, someone is making concert goers asses bleed.

They are pricing out the very people who drive the industry...how can your average teenage fan afford to go see multiple shows? It's just like sporting events pricing out the family of 4.

Fucking STP. Seriously. That's like the $50 after fees to see Live at Starland in NJ. LIVE!!!!!!! ridiculous. I swear my first PJ tix in 1996 were $12. Amazing how quickly things change.

I'm off to put $60 worth of gas in my tank.
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    CobCob Posts: 857
    PJ2k3 wrote:
    How many threads are out there complaining about the tour ticket prices?

    You think $84 per ticket for PJ at MSG is bad? Try $59.50 for STONE TEMPLE PILOTS at an amphitheater in Holmdel, NJ. Tag on the $6 parking fee PER TICKET and the $12.60 convenience fee PER TICKET (WTF?) and you're looking at nearly $80 to see fucking STP! They aren't even on the same level!

    So if you travel in a group to a show, say 6 people can fit in my Murano, I've just paid $36 to park and $75.60 to Live Nation for them to put a stamp on my envelope. I can understand concert prices being high, but talk about gouging. I thought this whole Live Nation thing was supposed to help lower those fees since TM wasn't exclusive at every venue now. Between the fees and the merch, someone is making concert goers asses bleed.

    They are pricing out the very people who drive the industry...how can your average teenage fan afford to go see multiple shows? It's just like sporting events pricing out the family of 4.

    Fucking STP. Seriously. That's like the $50 after fees to see Live at Starland in NJ. LIVE!!!!!!! ridiculous. I swear my first PJ tix in 1996 were $12. Amazing how quickly things change.

    I'm off to put $60 worth of gas in my tank.


    You bought tickets to see PJ in 1996 for $12.00, I find that VERY hard to believe, I was just looking @ some old stubs and I saw a Cheap Trick ticket stub and the price was $9.50 but that was in 1982. I would think the minimum that you would pay in 1996 would be $20.00 to $25.00.
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    PJ2k3 wrote:
    How many threads are out there complaining about the tour ticket prices?

    You think $84 per ticket for PJ at MSG is bad? Try $59.50 for STONE TEMPLE PILOTS at an amphitheater in Holmdel, NJ. Tag on the $6 parking fee PER TICKET and the $12.60 convenience fee PER TICKET (WTF?) and you're looking at nearly $80 to see fucking STP! They aren't even on the same level!

    So if you travel in a group to a show, say 6 people can fit in my Murano, I've just paid $36 to park and $75.60 to Live Nation for them to put a stamp on my envelope. I can understand concert prices being high, but talk about gouging. I thought this whole Live Nation thing was supposed to help lower those fees since TM wasn't exclusive at every venue now. Between the fees and the merch, someone is making concert goers asses bleed.

    They are pricing out the very people who drive the industry...how can your average teenage fan afford to go see multiple shows? It's just like sporting events pricing out the family of 4.

    Fucking STP. Seriously. That's like the $50 after fees to see Live at Starland in NJ. LIVE!!!!!!! ridiculous. I swear my first PJ tix in 1996 were $12. Amazing how quickly things change.

    I'm off to put $60 worth of gas in my tank.


    Heres my approach. They cost what they do, either go or dont. I mean gas is gonna be 4 dollars a gallon.
    Its gonna cost me an extra 50 just to go back to msg and back and thats like 150 miles each way. Compared to 2003. So the tix in 03 were 50 a piece, now the are 80. they were underpayed than, and their fanbase does not buy their albums they spend tons of time writing. They have to do something. All bands are in the same boat.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


    no more shows
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    mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,180
    Cob wrote:
    You bought tickets to see PJ in 1996 for $12.00, I find that VERY hard to believe, I was just looking @ some old stubs and I saw a Cheap Trick ticket stub and the price was $9.50 but that was in 1982. I would think the minimum that you would pay in 1996 would be $20.00 to $25.00.

    I didn't see PJ on the '96 tour, but I did see them several times in '98 and my stubs say $20.00...
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    indifferentmanindifferentman Goshen, IN Posts: 731
    Yep, it's getting crazy these days. By the time I walk out of any of the 3 shows I'm going to this tour, I'll have topped $100 for the ticket and poster! I really don't buy merch anymore when I go to most concerts. After you spend $35-$60 on a ticket, can you really afford beer and a $25 t-shirt? nuts....
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    hey! $50 to see Live? I was at that show, I won tix from Grock Radio the day before, and couldn't believe what I was seeing. A packed house at $50 a ticket for LIVE!!! WTF? Who likes Live anymore? I went because it was free, and the economy is in the shitter, and these guys have the nerve to charge that much?

    Wow.
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    PJ2k3PJ2k3 Posts: 218
    Cob wrote:
    You bought tickets to see PJ in 1996 for $12.00, I find that VERY hard to believe, I was just looking @ some old stubs and I saw a Cheap Trick ticket stub and the price was $9.50 but that was in 1982. I would think the minimum that you would pay in 1996 would be $20.00 to $25.00.


    I have the stub at home and am currently at work. But I swear that Fans, Tours and Tickets 1996 phone sale was really damn cheap. Maybe not $12 after all was said and done, but I recall PJ wanting to explictly display the cost of the ticket & the cost of the fees separately on the stub. It was Merriweather Post in MD, that much I can tell you. Anyone else remember?
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    the tickets were along the lines of $25 in 1996
    the fees were a something like $3 for a bus pass (from yankee stadium to randall's island), $2 service charge and something for 50 cents....$5.50 in service charges, that's still less than PNC's parking fee!!
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    FT&T ticket from 1996: $27.50
    $22.50 + 2.00 service charge + 3.00 for parking = $27.50

    gas was $1.25 a gallon.

    i filled up yesterday at 3.45 / gal....craziness!


    edit: that's a Randall's Island, NY ticket
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    PJ2k3 wrote:
    How many threads are out there complaining about the tour ticket prices?

    You think $84 per ticket for PJ at MSG is bad? Try $59.50 for STONE TEMPLE PILOTS at an amphitheater in Holmdel, NJ. Tag on the $6 parking fee PER TICKET and the $12.60 convenience fee PER TICKET (WTF?) and you're looking at nearly $80 to see fucking STP! They aren't even on the same level!

    So if you travel in a group to a show, say 6 people can fit in my Murano, I've just paid $36 to park and $75.60 to Live Nation for them to put a stamp on my envelope. I can understand concert prices being high, but talk about gouging. I thought this whole Live Nation thing was supposed to help lower those fees since TM wasn't exclusive at every venue now. Between the fees and the merch, someone is making concert goers asses bleed.

    They are pricing out the very people who drive the industry...how can your average teenage fan afford to go see multiple shows? It's just like sporting events pricing out the family of 4.

    Fucking STP. Seriously. That's like the $50 after fees to see Live at Starland in NJ. LIVE!!!!!!! ridiculous. I swear my first PJ tix in 1996 were $12. Amazing how quickly things change.

    I'm off to put $60 worth of gas in my tank.

    Atleast the money you spend on the concert tickets will stay in America unlike the money you spent on your Nissan... Maybe you could get a better deal on concerts in Japan.
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    DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    PJ2k3 wrote:
    How many threads are out there complaining about the tour ticket prices?

    You think $84 per ticket for PJ at MSG is bad? Try $59.50 for STONE TEMPLE PILOTS at an amphitheater in Holmdel, NJ. Tag on the $6 parking fee PER TICKET and the $12.60 convenience fee PER TICKET (WTF?) and you're looking at nearly $80 to see fucking STP! They aren't even on the same level!

    So if you travel in a group to a show, say 6 people can fit in my Murano, I've just paid $36 to park and $75.60 to Live Nation for them to put a stamp on my envelope. I can understand concert prices being high, but talk about gouging. I thought this whole Live Nation thing was supposed to help lower those fees since TM wasn't exclusive at every venue now. Between the fees and the merch, someone is making concert goers asses bleed.

    They are pricing out the very people who drive the industry...how can your average teenage fan afford to go see multiple shows? It's just like sporting events pricing out the family of 4.

    Fucking STP. Seriously. That's like the $50 after fees to see Live at Starland in NJ. LIVE!!!!!!! ridiculous. I swear my first PJ tix in 1996 were $12. Amazing how quickly things change.

    I'm off to put $60 worth of gas in my tank.

    Don't buy the tickets then.
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    Jesika537 wrote:
    Atleast the money you spend on the concert tickets will stay in America unlike the money you spent on your Nissan... Maybe you could get a better deal on concerts in Japan.

    hahahahah! awesome quote. maybe if american cars weren't shit more people would buy them.
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    hobbes wrote:
    hahahahah! awesome quote. maybe if american cars weren't shit more people would buy them.

    Last time I checked both Ford and GM ranked ahead of Toyota in quality... People like you are just to ignorant to realize that when a company like Toyota has quality issues it's not all over the front page of the newspaper the way it is with an American company. It's like our own media is out to sabotage our own businesses. But go ahead and keep supporting the only country who's military has ever attacked your country.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    its been ridiculous for awhile.

    blame the Eagles for the first $100 ticket, and Barbara Streisand for taking greediness to a whole other level

    actually, Im surprised that the STP tix are not more, like $89.50

    the tix companies are pushing the limits to see just how much the public will pay

    people keep buying, they will keep charging

    as long as people care more about seeing a band than having a dollar in their pocket, it will continue
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    Jesika537 wrote:
    Last time I checked both Ford and GM ranked ahead of Toyota in quality... People like you are just to ignorant to realize that when a company like Toyota has quality issues it's not all over the front page of the newspaper the way it is with an American company. It's like our own media is out to sabotage our own businesses. But go ahead and keep supporting the only country who's military has ever attacked your country.

    maybe this is a recent phenomenon. but every person (myself included) that has owned an american car complains about the crap quality.

    and spare me the "keep supporting the only country" bullshit. i guess we better throw out VW / BMW / and Mercedes Benz as well.

    isn't there a toby keith album you should be listening to right now?
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    hobbes wrote:
    maybe this is a recent phenomenon. but every person (myself included) that has owned an american car complains about the crap quality.

    and spare me the "keep supporting the only country" bullshit. i guess we better throw out VW / BMW / and Mercedes Benz as well.

    isn't there a toby keith album you should be listening to right now?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the German's ever attacked America did they??? Isn't there a history book you should be reading???
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    Jesika537 wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the German's ever attacked America did they??? Isn't there a history book you should be reading???

    oh that's right. the germans only killed millions of europeans and americans in europe. they were also allies with the japanese (who by the way DON'T have a standing army anymore).
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    hobbes wrote:
    oh that's right. the germans only killed millions of europeans and americans in europe. they were also allies with the japanese (who by the way DON'T have a standing army anymore).

    I don't like people who drive German cars either... If people are so concerned about the economy maybe they should support American companies... That is the only point I was trying to make originally.
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    if you look at the prices of everything and sporting events now i personally don't think 80 dollars for an stp ticket is out of control, plus a lawn seat for that show before fees is 20 something bucks
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    Jesika537 wrote:
    I don't like people who drive German cars either... If people are so concerned about the economy maybe they should support American companies... That is the only point I was trying to make originally.

    the beauty of the free market. people buy what they can afford. also.. if american companies weren't turning their backs on americans people would be more prone to support them. outsourcing is killing america.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    Jesika537 wrote:
    Last time I checked both Ford and GM ranked ahead of Toyota in quality... People like you are just to ignorant to realize that when a company like Toyota has quality issues it's not all over the front page of the newspaper the way it is with an American company. It's like our own media is out to sabotage our own businesses. But go ahead and keep supporting the only country who's military has ever attacked your country.

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    Guys nothing costs the same as in 1996. In fact everything has gone up in price drastically since the year 2000.

    If it cost $1.25 for gas in 1996 and its $3.75 for gas now then it makes since that STP is charging $60 for a ticket when they used to charge around $30.
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    hobbes wrote:
    the beauty of the free market. people buy what they can afford. also.. if american companies weren't turning their backs on americans people would be more prone to support them. outsourcing is killing america.

    They wouldn't have to outsource to compete if Foreign car companies weren't allowed to build 90% of their parts for dirt cheap in their own countries and then ship them here to be assembled to create the image that they are investing in America... Have you ever researched what American companies have to pay to sell cars in Japan??? I wouldn't have a problem if we had a fair trade agreement but we don't.
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    edpearsonedpearson Posts: 331
    Cob wrote:
    You bought tickets to see PJ in 1996 for $12.00, I find that VERY hard to believe, I was just looking @ some old stubs and I saw a Cheap Trick ticket stub and the price was $9.50 but that was in 1982. I would think the minimum that you would pay in 1996 would be $20.00 to $25.00.

    Speaking of old ticket stubs, I came across my first concert ever -- Sept. 1981 at JFK Stadium in Philly, PA -- The Rolling Stones, Journey, George Thorogood & The Delaware Destroyers. The cost for that ticket was $13.75!!!! I was 13 years old and my mom bought this ticket for me. I remember it being an all day concert, too. That show today would be more like $125 even with Journey minus Steve Perry!!!
    Rock on!
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    Rossum20Rossum20 Posts: 910
    Jesika537 wrote:
    They wouldn't have to outsource to compete if Foreign car companies weren't allowed to build 90% of their parts for dirt cheap in their own countries and then ship them here to be assembled to create the image that they are investing in America... Have you ever researched what American companies have to pay to sell cars in Japan??? I wouldn't have a problem if we had a fair trade agreement but we don't.


    are you retarded? People don't buy American cars because they have a notoriously horrible reputation in comparison to many foreign car companies...see the consumer report post above....or choose to ignore the FACTS and just ramble on about things you clearly don't know about....by the way...where do you think your shirt, your pants, and the shoes you are wearing are coming from? Sounds to me like you had better start making your own clothes instead of "supporting non-American companies"
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    edpearsonedpearson Posts: 331
    Jesika537 wrote:
    I don't like people who drive German cars either... If people are so concerned about the economy maybe they should support American companies... That is the only point I was trying to make originally.

    Does this argument really work? Many foreign car companies assemble their vehicles here in America (for example: Honda - Marysville, Ohio; BMW - Spartanburg, South Carolina). And many American auto companies assemble their vehicles in foreign countries (example: Ford - Malaysia; GM - Canada). I sleep easy knowing that my Honda was assembled in Ohio so I'm sure several American workers at that facility are grateful for that.
    Rock on!
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    Rossum20 wrote:
    are you retarded? People don't buy American cars because they have a notoriously horrible reputation in comparison to many foreign car companies...see the consumer report post above....or choose to ignore the FACTS and just ramble on about things you clearly don't know about....by the way...where do you think your shirt, your pants, and the shoes you are wearing are coming from? Sounds to me like you had better start making your own clothes instead of "supporting non-American companies"

    Retarded??? No I'm not but alot of people are so maybe you shouldn't make fun of them... Anyway I've known just as many people who have had problems with foreign cars as American cars. As for my clothes... The clothing business has never been the #1 employer of Americans like the auto industry once was. Enjoy your foreign car and it's great quality but don't cry when the fast food restaurant that you are intelligent enough to work at get's run out of business by a foreign company.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    Jesika537 wrote:
    Retarded??? No I'm not but alot of people are so maybe you shouldn't make fun of them... Anyway I've known just as many people who have had problems with foreign cars as American cars. As for my clothes... The clothing business has never been the #1 employer of Americans like the auto industry once was. Enjoy your foreign car and it's great quality but don't cry when the fast food restaurant that you are intelligent enough to work at get's run out of business by a foreign company.


    good fast food is a medical burden on our country
    another example of crappy american products

    fast food is much better and healthier in Japan

    but hey
    its seems that the American car cos have some direct impact in your life, so I understand your position.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    Jesika537 wrote:
    They wouldn't have to outsource to compete if Foreign car companies weren't allowed to build 90% of their parts for dirt cheap in their own countries and then ship them here to be assembled to create the image that they are investing in America... Have you ever researched what American companies have to pay to sell cars in Japan??? I wouldn't have a problem if we had a fair trade agreement but we don't.


    yeah the inflated wages paid to the union workers have nothing to do with the high cost of auto parts inthe US

    and it costs more to make cars and parts in Japan-thats why they set up here.
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    mjbmjb Posts: 1,315
    To get us back on topic...I have a bad feeling STP is gonna suck hard.
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    mjb wrote:
    To get us back on topic...I have a bad feeling STP is gonna suck hard.


    the DeLeos are awesome live

    it should be good if SW is committed
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