Right, before I start, I've heard quite a bit of Metallica now, and I'm still not a fan.
But seeing them on Jools Holland the other night just confirms my suspicions that Ulrich is sort of rubbish. He totally fudged the introduction to the new single, his timing was up and down, all over the place, and he POUNDS the drums as hard as he can trying to cover up the fact that he has poor technique. I'm no fan but I gave it the benefit of the doubt, hoping to be amazed. After so many years, I should've been.
On the OTHER HAND, I bought Reinventing Hell: The Best of Pantera the other day. It's no less than musical brilliance. The drumming, the bass playing and the guitar hooks are completely brilliant and show great skill. Vinnie Paul is a monster. I'm not a seasoned metal fan YET, but at the moment, it seems that Pantera wipe the floor with Metallica.
Flame away!
You know, I'm a huge Metallica fan. HUGE. But yeah, Lars is overrated. Always has been. He is not versatile like Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, etc...and he plays with absolutely no dynamics. However, his contributions to the band go so much further than his playing. Lars IS Metallica. He is the driving force and the steering wheel of that band; the one responsible for pushing them into new directions and harnessing the genius that is James Hetfield...
So yeah, we was never great, and he can't even play the way he used to. Metallica fans will usually defend him to the death (because a lot of them ONLY listen to Metallica) but I listen to enough music to know better.
And I think it's common knowledge among metal fans that Vinnie Paul can drum circles around Lars...Vinnie is everything a metal drummer should aspire to be.
I hate to elude to age diff mate but Metallica were really a band who made their impact during the 80's...you know that, I know. Pantera were simply one of a thousand bands who tried to copy/capitalise on the concept they made popular (notice I didn't say invented? )
I was there, I saw Metallica in 86/87/88/89//and so on...and they were awesome, no one could touch them. And Lars even used to recieve compliments for the drum sound, or at least the experimentation...And Justice For All was really different from anything swimming around at the time....mostly because of the drum sound.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, TRULY great bands transcend their time. I'm sure it made a big impact, being there at the time etc. I'm sure some of the bands I know and love now, that I'm too young to have seen live at the time, would have had an even bigger impact if I'd seen them, but they still managed to impact on me. Point is, the "they did it before so-and-so band and you had to be there" argument doesn't really hold much weight with me. Whether Metallica blew your mind in 1986 or not, I don't feel any guilt or sense of ignorance in saying that Lars is a hack these days and at his best he was competent It's just opinion. I don't think that would change if I was there at the time. I've seen current bands that are supposed to be the "bands of my generation" and thought they were a load of bollocks. All that matters is personal opinion, not some abstract concept about how relevent to a time a band is or was or has become known to have been.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
You know, I'm a huge Metallica fan. HUGE. But yeah, Lars is overrated. Always has been. He is not versatile like Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, etc...and he plays with absolutely no dynamics. However, his contributions to the band go so much further than his playing. Lars IS Metallica. He is the driving force and the steering wheel of that band; the one responsible for pushing them into new directions and harnessing the genius that is James Hetfield...
So yeah, we was never great, and he can't even play the way he used to. Metallica fans will usually defend him to the death (because a lot of them ONLY listen to Metallica) but I listen to enough music to know better.
And I think it's common knowledge among metal fans that Vinnie Paul can drum circles around Lars...Vinnie is everything a metal drummer should aspire to be.
So, why is he 'over-rated'? he's always been pilloried, well the last 15 years anyway, but like you say...his contribution is much more than simply drumming.
And we all like artistic integrity don't we? Rather than artistic snobbery and perfection ? Don't we?
Really, this whole thread or tired, pointeless, cliched point is about as relevant as saying "oh that guy who invented the really light footballs they use nowadays is much more excellent than the twat who invented that old brown one with the laces"
So, why is he 'over-rated'? he's always been pilloried, well the last 15 years anyway, but like you say...his contribution is much more than simply drumming.
And we all like artistic integrity don't we? Rather than artistic snobbery and perfection ? Don't we?
Really, this whole thread or tired, pointeless, cliched point is about as relevant as saying "oh that guy who invented the really light footballs they use nowadays is much more excellent than the twat who invented that old brown one with the laces"
I can't believe you just mentioned artistic integrity in a pro-Lars Ulrich post
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I've said it before and I'll say it again, TRULY great bands transcend their time. I'm sure it made a big impact, being there at the time etc. I'm sure some of the bands I know and love now, that I'm too young to have seen live at the time, would have had an even bigger impact if I'd seen them, but they still managed to impact on me. Point is, the "they did it before so-and-so band and you had to be there" argument doesn't really hold much weight with me. Whether Metallica blew your mind in 1986 or not, I don't feel any guilt or sense of ignorance in saying that Lars is a hack these days and at his best he was competent It's just opinion. I don't think that would change if I was there at the time. I've seen current bands that are supposed to be the "bands of my generation" and thought they were a load of bollocks. All that matters is personal opinion, not some abstract concept about how relevent to a time a band is or was or has become known to have been.
I'm not even getting into debating with you Jez.
But, for sure Metallica are a band who have transcended their time...yes? they've had good times, and not so good, but they'r doing ok and after 25 years that's a good thing surely.
Their new record is simply a Metallica record, no thought or reasoning seems to have gone into how relavant they can make the concept, in fact that was their biggest downfall over the last 10 years, thinking about shit too much. Now they've given us a Metallica record, 1986, 2008....doesn't make much difference I'd say, it's just a Metallica record.
I can't believe you just mentioned artistic integrity in a pro-Lars Ulrich post
I may have done. But, here's the thing.....it's hip to knock Lars, has been for years...and I aint hip baby, never have been. Lars is one of us, one of us who's done ok, and for whatever reason he's more recently been held in a certain light. To me he's ok, I'd buy the rich Danish twat a pint, the same as I'd buy the rich Chicagoan called Vedder a pint...fuck the populist point of view. I am mine.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Lars is, for a metal drummer, overwhelmingly mediocre and his fills are bland, his timing is sketchy and his personality ensure that, even when he plays a solid beat, I still want a real drummer like Flo Mounier from Cryptopsy to come along and play some double pedal blast beats on his smug face.
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So, why is he 'over-rated'? he's always been pilloried, well the last 15 years anyway, but like you say...his contribution is much more than simply drumming.
And we all like artistic integrity don't we? Rather than artistic snobbery and perfection ? Don't we?
Really, this whole thread or tired, pointeless, cliched point is about as relevant as saying "oh that guy who invented the really light footballs they use nowadays is much more excellent than the twat who invented that old brown one with the laces"
geez, I guess I meant that Lars is only overrated as a musician. At actual drumming...didn't think I had to be that specific. He is NOT overrated in the grand scheme of Metallica, though. It's not like James and Kirk and whatever bass player they have at the time could just replace Lars; as I stated before, he IS Metallica. I don't care if it is cliche' nowadays to bash Lars or not, the simple facts are that he is not as good a drummer as some of the other aforementioned drummers (Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, Paul, Carey, that guy from Mastadon - although I don't like him).
geez, I guess I meant that Lars is only overrated as a musician. At actual drumming...didn't think I had to be that specific. He is NOT overrated in the grand scheme of Metallica, though. It's not like James and Kirk and whatever bass player they have at the time could just replace Lars; as I stated before, he IS Metallica. I don't care if it is cliche' nowadays to bash Lars or not, the simple facts are that he is not as good a drummer as some of the other aforementioned drummers (Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, Paul, Carey, that guy from Mastadon - although I don't like him).
thing is, we can pull people apart for not being virtuosoes and it seems to be acceptable. I mean James isn't the greatest guitar player ever, neither is Kirk...but what they've created through the synergy of being in a band is wonderful, and should not be shouted down.
See, the greatest guitar player I ever saw live was Steve Vai, yet he's barely been in a band worth mentioning, likewise the best drummer I ever saw, Cozy Powell...fantastic drummer, but as a band member....not much really.
So quit hating on Lars, he plays drums he's in a cool band, a cool band that he invented....25 years ago...give the shtick some respect allready.
Im a huge metallica fan and honestly, he has just lost it with age, he used to be good in the 80's and anyone who says that he won them over live must be talking about the wherever i may roam tour from 92 and previous tours becuase i have seen them live twice in 03 and 04 and he was easily the weakest link but as previously stated its expected because of the speed of the music and his age.
and yes Pantera wipes the fucking floor with metallica, after sabbath pantera is the best metal band in history.
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So, why is he 'over-rated'? he's always been pilloried, well the last 15 years anyway, but like you say...his contribution is much more than simply drumming.
And we all like artistic integrity don't we? Rather than artistic snobbery and perfection ? Don't we?
Really, this whole thread or tired, pointeless, cliched point is about as relevant as saying "oh that guy who invented the really light footballs they use nowadays is much more excellent than the twat who invented that old brown one with the laces"
I think you're missing the point entirely mate. My post was meant not to bash Lars, or call him a douche or a dick (I didn't even know he was one). I know very little about Metallica; only what I've heard them play. That's what my post is about, Lars' drum playing.
My only point is that after so many years of hearing Metallica being called Genius, I expected Lars' drumming to be better, and it was just about passable. Many metal drummers set the bar extremely high. Lars isn't one of them.
I do respect his contribution to the band and the fact he is a driving force etc. We can say the same things about Matt Cameron, but I often (not always) find him sub-par as a drummer as well. But that's an oft-flogged dead horse.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I think you're missing the point entirely mate. My post was meant not to bash Lars, or call him a douche or a dick (I didn't even know he was one). I know very little about Metallica; only what I've heard them play. That's what my post is about, Lars' drum playing.
My only point is that after so many years of hearing Metallica being called Genius, I expected Lars' drumming to be better, and it was just about passable. Many metal drummers set the bar extremely high. Lars isn't one of them.
I do respect his contribution to the band and the fact he is a driving force etc. We can say the same things about Matt Cameron, but I often (not always) find him sub-par as a drummer as well. But that's an oft-flogged dead horse.
Sure, I understand Mark. Truth is bands aren't really about drummers, or how good the drummers are, that's why the old cliche of replacing drummers every tour or album came about in the first place I guess. Matt Cameron is good, but I don't listen to Pearl Jam and go..."wow, that's amazing drumming"..I doubt anyone does really. That's why Pearl Jam have gotten away with swapping drummers so many times....truth is it doesn't make much difference at all who's playing, as long as they are of a passable standard then they'll do
That's why they're at the back I spose
Lars is one of us, one of us who's done ok, and for whatever reason he's more recently been held in a certain light.
he's certainly not one of us!! well unless we were all brought up middle-class with a Professional Tennis player for a father? well i know i wasnt
Noel Gallagher is more like 'one of us' and you think he's a dick.
swings and roundabouts amigo.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
he's certainly not one of us!! well unless we were all brought up middle-class with a Professional Tennis player for a father? well i know i wasnt
Noel Gallagher is more like 'one of us' and you think he's a dick.
swings and roundabouts amigo.
Where one is born, and into what family, is nothing to be either proud or ashamed of amigo. It's something which is totally beyond the control of everyone.
I simply meant Lars is like 'us' because he loved rock music as a kid, he lived for it...and he followed it on ....is all I meant.
I happen to think Noel is ok, it's Liam I think is a dick, and that's nothing to do with where he was born or that he's working class like me, it's because he's come across in every single interview, performance or portrayal I've ever seen, heard or read of him, as being a complete arrogant twat. And to top it off, I don't like his singing, and the songs he writes are really shit. It's misplaced arrogance, he believes his own hype.
To me he is just lucky Noel is his brother.
Where one is born, and into what family, is nothing to be either proud or ashamed of amigo. It's something which is totally beyond the control of everyone.
I simply meant Lars is like 'us' because he loved rock music as a kid, he lived for it...and he followed it on ....is all I meant.
I happen to think Noel is ok, it's Liam I think is a dick, and that's nothing to do with where he was born or that he's working class like me, it's because he's come across in every single interview, performance or portrayal I've ever seen, heard or read of him, as being a complete arrogant twat. And to top it off, I don't like his singing, and the songs he writes are really shit. It's misplaced arrogance, he believes his own hype.
To me he is just lucky Noel is his brother.
He is the most BASIC drummer today. He does nothing special at all. I consider him the ringo of our generation, except much worse. Plus, he looks like a complete tool on the kit.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i know i'll get ripped for this..but i don't fucking care..people don't understand how great of a drummer this man is..i hope he can continue to do so..
On a side note I actually find Danny Carey's drumming a little bit too distracting and kind of 'jarring' to a lot of the songs Tool produces. He lacks the fluidity of someone like Cameron who does amazing shit but you don't realise it because it is so subtle.
Always thought Lars was a pretty average drummer. Good drummers know how to make their kit sound good and Lars' drum sound has always sounded like shit (to me atleast).
I've always found Metallica a bit overrated, and technically...i think Dimebag could've taken the whole band on by himself.
if we are comparing Metallica to Pantera, I'd have to go with Pantera. They have much more of a "fuck you", metal kind of attitude...and they never once had fans questioning their integrity...much like Metallica has had.
All in all, my opinion is that Metallica are some poster faced, metal boys who had good intentions when they release Kill 'Em All...Metallica was pretty tough in the eighties, and were a true metal band...
I just get annoyed at the hyp of Metallica. People treat them like they're gods and they aren't...they shadow way too many bands, Pantera was one that deserved a lot more respect, and not because of Dime's death.
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i know i'll get ripped for this..but i don't fucking care..people don't understand how great of a drummer this man is..i hope he can continue to do so..
just look up some of his stuff on youtube..the guy is fucking insane..
Good drummer,
but what shitty bands.
At my last job, I asked a girl to listen to something for me and I gave her my copy of Vitalogy...came back 5 minutes later and said "Ew, Pearl Jam? They suck. You wanna hear some good, deep music?"
she brought me a copy of 'Angels and Airwaves'...I proceeded to listen to Vitalogy .
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Right, before I start, I've heard quite a bit of Metallica now, and I'm still not a fan.
But seeing them on Jools Holland the other night just confirms my suspicions that Ulrich is sort of rubbish. He totally fudged the introduction to the new single, his timing was up and down, all over the place, and he POUNDS the drums as hard as he can trying to cover up the fact that he has poor technique. I'm no fan but I gave it the benefit of the doubt, hoping to be amazed. After so many years, I should've been.
On the OTHER HAND, I bought Reinventing Hell: The Best of Pantera the other day. It's no less than musical brilliance. The drumming, the bass playing and the guitar hooks are completely brilliant and show great skill. Vinnie Paul is a monster. I'm not a seasoned metal fan YET, but at the moment, it seems that Pantera wipe the floor with Metallica.
Flame away!
Listen to Mastodon. You'll shit your pants with seasoning
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"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I can't listen to the link as I'm on public computer with no speakers. I remember hearing Mastodon last year but can't remember what it sounded like. Did they not play on the Reading Sunday with Pearl Jam, or am I wrong? If so, I saw 'em live
Either way, having got quite into Pantera in recent days, I can't wait to hear Mastodon. Hearing technical metal drumming with a lot of bass work gives me a semi (by the sea).
Gonna try Sepultura next.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
All in all, my opinion is that Metallica are some poster faced, metal boys who had good intentions when they release Kill 'Em All...Metallica was pretty tough in the eighties, and were a true metal band...
I just get annoyed at the hyp of Metallica. People treat them like they're gods and they aren't...
there you have it-100% correct
they may have been good at one time, but not in a LONG LONG time
I can't listen to the link as I'm on public computer with no speakers. I remember hearing Mastodon last year but can't remember what it sounded like. Did they not play on the Reading Sunday with Pearl Jam, or am I wrong? If so, I saw 'em live
Either way, having got quite into Pantera in recent days, I can't wait to hear Mastodon. Hearing technical metal drumming with a lot of bass work gives me a semi (by the sea).
Gonna try Sepultura next.
Well the link I posted isn't the drummer of Mastodon, it's the drummer of the death metal band Cryptopsy (who may or may not be to your taste) but he makes even the Mastodon drummer (who is definitely impressive) look like a rank amateur. Cryptopsy blast beats are PAINFUL.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
i know i'll get ripped for this..but i don't fucking care..people don't understand how great of a drummer this man is..i hope he can continue to do so..
just look up some of his stuff on youtube..the guy is fucking insane..
I am in total agreement...just because his choice of bands may not be the greatest does not detract from him as a drummer...I play the drums and this clip really shows not just fats, fats hands...but a keen ear for timing.
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just watch that and the starting beat at the start just sounds so beast. He may not be ultra fast + technical etc but im really getting into his playing. Just wondered if anyone else like the random/cool bass drum beats he does. ALso happens in the master of puppets breakdown.
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You know, I'm a huge Metallica fan. HUGE. But yeah, Lars is overrated. Always has been. He is not versatile like Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, etc...and he plays with absolutely no dynamics. However, his contributions to the band go so much further than his playing. Lars IS Metallica. He is the driving force and the steering wheel of that band; the one responsible for pushing them into new directions and harnessing the genius that is James Hetfield...
So yeah, we was never great, and he can't even play the way he used to. Metallica fans will usually defend him to the death (because a lot of them ONLY listen to Metallica) but I listen to enough music to know better.
And I think it's common knowledge among metal fans that Vinnie Paul can drum circles around Lars...Vinnie is everything a metal drummer should aspire to be.
So, why is he 'over-rated'?
And we all like artistic integrity don't we? Rather than artistic snobbery and perfection ? Don't we?
Really, this whole thread or tired, pointeless, cliched point is about as relevant as saying "oh that guy who invented the really light footballs they use nowadays is much more excellent than the twat who invented that old brown one with the laces"
I'm not even getting into debating with you Jez.
But, for sure Metallica are a band who have transcended their time...yes? they've had good times, and not so good, but they'r doing ok and after 25 years that's a good thing surely.
Their new record is simply a Metallica record, no thought or reasoning seems to have gone into how relavant they can make the concept, in fact that was their biggest downfall over the last 10 years, thinking about shit too much. Now they've given us a Metallica record, 1986, 2008....doesn't make much difference I'd say, it's just a Metallica record.
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Reading 2006 - WOOOOW!!!!!
Paris 2006 - Fucking amazing
Wembley 2007
geez, I guess I meant that Lars is only overrated as a musician. At actual drumming...didn't think I had to be that specific. He is NOT overrated in the grand scheme of Metallica, though. It's not like James and Kirk and whatever bass player they have at the time could just replace Lars; as I stated before, he IS Metallica. I don't care if it is cliche' nowadays to bash Lars or not, the simple facts are that he is not as good a drummer as some of the other aforementioned drummers (Grohl, Cameron, Chaimberlain, Paul, Carey, that guy from Mastadon - although I don't like him).
thing is, we can pull people apart for not being virtuosoes and it seems to be acceptable. I mean James isn't the greatest guitar player ever, neither is Kirk...but what they've created through the synergy of being in a band is wonderful, and should not be shouted down.
See, the greatest guitar player I ever saw live was Steve Vai, yet he's barely been in a band worth mentioning, likewise the best drummer I ever saw, Cozy Powell...fantastic drummer, but as a band member....not much really.
So quit hating on Lars, he plays drums he's in a cool band, a cool band that he invented....25 years ago...give the shtick some respect allready.
and yes Pantera wipes the fucking floor with metallica, after sabbath pantera is the best metal band in history.
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I think you're missing the point entirely mate. My post was meant not to bash Lars, or call him a douche or a dick (I didn't even know he was one). I know very little about Metallica; only what I've heard them play. That's what my post is about, Lars' drum playing.
My only point is that after so many years of hearing Metallica being called Genius, I expected Lars' drumming to be better, and it was just about passable. Many metal drummers set the bar extremely high. Lars isn't one of them.
I do respect his contribution to the band and the fact he is a driving force etc. We can say the same things about Matt Cameron, but I often (not always) find him sub-par as a drummer as well. But that's an oft-flogged dead horse.
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Sure, I understand Mark. Truth is bands aren't really about drummers, or how good the drummers are, that's why the old cliche of replacing drummers every tour or album came about in the first place I guess. Matt Cameron is good, but I don't listen to Pearl Jam and go..."wow, that's amazing drumming"..I doubt anyone does really. That's why Pearl Jam have gotten away with swapping drummers so many times....truth is it doesn't make much difference at all who's playing, as long as they are of a passable standard then they'll do
That's why they're at the back I spose
he's certainly not one of us!! well unless we were all brought up middle-class with a Professional Tennis player for a father?
Noel Gallagher is more like 'one of us' and you think he's a dick.
swings and roundabouts amigo.
Where one is born, and into what family, is nothing to be either proud or ashamed of amigo. It's something which is totally beyond the control of everyone.
I simply meant Lars is like 'us' because he loved rock music as a kid, he lived for it...and he followed it on ....is all I meant.
I happen to think Noel is ok, it's Liam I think is a dick, and that's nothing to do with where he was born or that he's working class like me, it's because he's come across in every single interview, performance or portrayal I've ever seen, heard or read of him, as being a complete arrogant twat. And to top it off, I don't like his singing, and the songs he writes are really shit. It's misplaced arrogance, he believes his own hype.
To me he is just lucky Noel is his brother.
agreed
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London 2007
Ringo is a good drummer
agreed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOfsr9D-KXU
just look up some of his stuff on youtube..the guy is fucking insane..
Always thought Lars was a pretty average drummer. Good drummers know how to make their kit sound good and Lars' drum sound has always sounded like shit (to me atleast).
if we are comparing Metallica to Pantera, I'd have to go with Pantera. They have much more of a "fuck you", metal kind of attitude...and they never once had fans questioning their integrity...much like Metallica has had.
All in all, my opinion is that Metallica are some poster faced, metal boys who had good intentions when they release Kill 'Em All...Metallica was pretty tough in the eighties, and were a true metal band...
I just get annoyed at the hyp of Metallica. People treat them like they're gods and they aren't...they shadow way too many bands, Pantera was one that deserved a lot more respect, and not because of Dime's death.
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Good drummer,
but what shitty bands.
At my last job, I asked a girl to listen to something for me and I gave her my copy of Vitalogy...came back 5 minutes later and said "Ew, Pearl Jam? They suck. You wanna hear some good, deep music?"
she brought me a copy of 'Angels and Airwaves'...I proceeded to listen to Vitalogy
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Listen to Mastodon. You'll shit your pants with seasoning
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8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
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I present Mr Flo Mounier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLVjp65v_E&feature=related
Listen to the bass pedal.
I can't listen to the link as I'm on public computer with no speakers. I remember hearing Mastodon last year but can't remember what it sounded like. Did they not play on the Reading Sunday with Pearl Jam, or am I wrong? If so, I saw 'em live
Either way, having got quite into Pantera in recent days, I can't wait to hear Mastodon. Hearing technical metal drumming with a lot of bass work gives me a semi (by the sea).
Gonna try Sepultura next.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
there you have it-100% correct
they may have been good at one time, but not in a LONG LONG time
I am in total agreement...just because his choice of bands may not be the greatest does not detract from him as a drummer...I play the drums and this clip really shows not just fats, fats hands...but a keen ear for timing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksv2H963hBU
just watch that and the starting beat at the start just sounds so beast. He may not be ultra fast + technical etc but im really getting into his playing. Just wondered if anyone else like the random/cool bass drum beats he does. ALso happens in the master of puppets breakdown.