Kurt would have turned 40 today

western pearl

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

Do birthdays still carry any significance after you die?

Yes, no matter who you are.

western pearl

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

I don't care what he went through. He didn't like being famous and did drugs. No fucking reason to off yourself. I would love to be famous. If he didn't like it, he should have stopped making albums.

I'd love to see you get famous. If you were famous i would get to laugh at you spouting off to reporters and the public the way you're spouting off in here. It'd be great!! So good luck!

fragileblake

Killing himself when he had a child makes him not only a grade a pussy, but also a selfish fuck. Who knows how fucked up that kid will be with courtney as her role model

You'veGotRedOnYou

western pearl wrote:

Yes, no matter who you are.

I am not trying to seem like a heartless ass or anything like that, it's just kinda morbid to celebrate the birthday of someone who is dead. How about we make Mr. Cobain a cake. We could all wear those fun little hats and sing that wonderful birthday song.

facepollution

fragileblake wrote:

Killing himself when he had a child makes him not only a grade a pussy, but also a selfish fuck. Who knows how fucked up that kid will be with courtney as her role model

Actually those who know their daughter have said how remarkably grounded and normal she is.

People think they know everything just from what they get in the media, but there is a whole other side to everything.

I hate how a completely innocent thread, which to me was just a point of reflection, can turn into a character assassination.

You'veGotRedOnYou

fragileblake wrote:

Killing himself when he had a child makes him not only a grade a pussy, but also a selfish fuck. Who knows how fucked up that kid will be with courtney as her role model

Completely agree. Just because someone makes good/decent music, doesn't mean he should be a fucking hero. The guy was a douche.

facepollution

fragileblake wrote:

Killing himself when he had a child makes him not only a grade a pussy, but also a selfish fuck. Who knows how fucked up that kid will be with courtney as her role model

Cause having a heroin addict father suffering from extreme clinical depression would be such a positive influence?

You'veGotRedOnYou

facepollution wrote:

Actually those who know their daughter have said how remarkably grounded and normal she is.

People think they know everything just from what they get in the media, but there is a whole other side to everything.

I hate how a completely innocent thread, which to me was just a point of reflection, can turn into a character assassination.

If it was a thread on someone who hadn't assassinated his own character this wouldn't happen. I mean, I love Layne Staley, but in truth he was nothing more than a sad junkie who made good music. People need to face these facts and realize that some stuff just doesn't need the attention anymore.

prytocorduroy

http://www.cobaincase.com/index.htm

^^^ Can everyone who calls "suicide" please just look at this? I don't care if it changes your opinion, just be open to the conspiracy that could be true. It's actually a pretty freaky read.

You'veGotRedOnYou

danny72688 wrote:

http://www.cobaincase.com/index.htm

^^^ Can everyone who calls "suicide" please just look at this? I don't care if it changes your opinion, just be open to the conspiracy that could be true. It's actually a pretty freaky read.

Interesting, but it seems a bit biased. But its worthy of a look.

prytocorduroy

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

Interesting, but it seems a bit biased. But its worthy of a look.

That is the only thing I dislike about it. But it does bring up critical points. And it's good for him to be passionate about solving "the case", even thirteen years later.

facepollution

danny72688 wrote:

http://www.cobaincase.com/index.htm

^^^ Can everyone who calls "suicide" please just look at this? I don't care if it changes your opinion, just be open to the conspiracy that could be true. It's actually a pretty freaky read.

I just re-read the main assertions on that site, I have looked at it in depth in the past. At the end of the day, there is one major thing it over looks, Kurt left the rehab centre of his own volition, and essentially disappeared. If someone had planned his murder, the first and most obvious thing they would need to know, is where he was! What's more, it would take a pretty experienced person or persons, to know how to fake a suicide with that much accuracy and attention to detail (in terms of cleaning the crime scene of any even tiny bits of evidence that would prove it was not a suicide).

Also, at the end of the day, what makes this guy's 'evidence' so reliable anyway? It's circumstantial, nothing more. No more compelling than the evidence in the West Memphis Three case. People seem to base their opinions more on how much they hate Courtney Love rather than the fact Kurt was a manic depressive with an out of control heroin addiciton and an inability to handle fame. I'm not sure if people are aware, but she actually saved his life once with a shot of adrenalin to the heart, Pulp Fiction style.

chris01

Good god, a thread for people to say happy birthday to him or whatever has turned into yet another bashing the fuck out of him.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.... but in mine, this thread didnt need to turn into this. If you dont like a person/band, dont read the thread... yup, its that easy, lol.

Peace people.

prytocorduroy

facepollution wrote:

I just re-read the main assertions on that site, I have looked at it in depth in the past. At the end of the day, there is one major thing it over looks, Kurt left the rehab centre of his own volition, and essentially disappeared. If someone had planned his murder, the first and most obvious thing they would need to know, is where he was! What's more, it would take a pretty experienced person or persons, to know how to fake a suicide with that much accuracy and attention to detail (in terms of cleaning the crime scene of any even tiny bits of evidence that would prove it was not a suicide).

Also, at the end of the day, what makes this guy's 'evidence' so reliable anyway? It's circumstantial, nothing more. No more compelling than the evidence in the West Memphis Three case. People seem to base their opinions more on how much they hate Courtney Love rather than the fact Kurt was a manic depressive with an out of control heroin addiciton and an inability to handle fame. I'm not sure if people are aware, but she actually saved his life once with a shot of adrenalin to the heart, Pulp Fiction style.

You strike another critical point! Never thought of that before.

I can't answer your question. I don't hold it as truth, though. I look at this topic as more of a debate as weird as that sounds.

You'veGotRedOnYou

It appears that this thread has rubbed some people the wrong way. I feel it is mostly my fault, so I am going to back down. Let's remember the music the guy made. Thats one thing we can all agree on. He made music.

deadnote

happy birthday

facepollution

danny72688 wrote:

You strike another critical point! Never thought of that before.

I can't answer your question. I don't hold it as truth, though. I look at this topic as more of a debate as weird as that sounds.

I think the real key comes in actually understanding Courtney Love and what drives her, rather than demonizing her because of her outlandish behaviour. Courtney is an incredibly complex person, the result of a ridiculously fucked up childhood which moulded her into the attention seeking adult she is today. But, her lyrics are actually pretty transparent for the most part, and show a lot about how she felt about Kurt.

A lot of people want to believe the conspiracy theory, but one look at the site shows this guy is heavily biased and expects people to believe his recollections of conversations with Courtney to be accurate. He makes a lot of subjective opinions about Courtney, referring to her as psychopathic and what not. It could be that after dealing with her, he developed such a hatred for her, so much so that he made it his life's mission to ruin her and thus strung together a lot of tenuous 'evidence' to prove she had something to do with Kurt's death.

Ultimately if Courtney wanted Kurt dead, there were much easier ways for her to have done it. She could have given him a fatal overdose while he slept. How would anyone prove it wasn't suicide, he was a heroin addict.

I really didn't want this thread to descend into this.

prytocorduroy

facepollution wrote:

I think the real key comes in actually understanding Courtney Love and what drives her, rather than demonizing her because of her outlandish behaviour. Courtney is an incredibly complex person, the result of a ridiculously fucked up childhood which moulded her into the attention seeking adult she is today. But, her lyrics are actually pretty transparent for the most part, and show a lot about how she felt about Kurt.

A lot of people want to believe the conspiracy theory, but one look at the site shows this guy is heavily biased and expects people to believe his recollections of conversations with Courtney to be accurate. He makes a lot of subjective opinions about Courtney, referring to her as psychopathic and what not. It could be that after dealing with her, he developed such a hatred for her, so much so that he made it his life's mission to ruin her and thus strung together a lot of tenuous 'evidence' to prove she had something to do with Kurt's death.

Ultimately if Courtney wanted Kurt dead, there were much easier ways for her to have done it. She could have given him a fatal overdose while he slept. How would anyone prove it wasn't suicide, he was a heroin addict.

I really didn't want this thread to descend into this.

I apologize for bringing it up I always feel the need to though, just because I feel everyone should at least be aware of the other side. Thanks for enlightening me about Courtney though, I was pretty set on her being a witch, but now I'll have to reconsider. I'm done talking about it now, sorry again.

Happy birthday Kurt, RIP.

western pearl

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

It appears that this thread has rubbed some people the wrong way. I feel it is mostly my fault, so I am going to back down. Let's remember the music the guy made. Thats one thing we can all agree on. He made music.

Awful big of you. agree to disagree right . Welcome to the board btw.

Brainofdz

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

How can you call someone mighty who was weak enough to kill himself? I don't care how much you "hate your popularity." There is just no excuse for it.

I don't judge him for what he did. I feel incredible sorrow that he felt there was no other choice. He had a bad drug problem which I know from experience completely warps your judgement.

Can't we just Pay tribute to someone who meant alot to us for one day ?