AUDIOSLAVE would be a lot better with a different drummer?

Brisk

DOSW wrote:

This thread is 100% correct.

Brad Wilk is the weak link. Drumming can make riffs much more powerful... it's not just the guitar. Wilk worked great in Rage... he fit the hip-hop style very well. But rock needs more complicated drumming than most rap. That's where Wilk drops the ball.

Audioslave would be ten times better if 1.) they dropped Brad Wilk, and 2.) Tom Morello stopped the effects-drenched solos. Tom's solos also worked well back in the 90's, but all of the originality is gone. He needs to do "real" solos that display his talent and put all the naysayers to rest.

Ye the guitar parts often sound quite detached from the rest of the band - I think you could point some fingers at Brad here. He often just lays down a simple beat for the whole song that stays roughly the same. If I were Brad I’d be changing it up all over the place and really trying to make the drums accentuate what my other bands mates were doing at all plausible opportunities.

reversedarwinism

Brisk wrote:

Ye the guitar parts often sound quite detached from the rest of the band - I think you could point some fingers at Brad here. He often just lays down a simple beat for the whole song that stays roughly the same. If I were Brad I’d be changing it up all over the place and really trying to make the drums accentuate what my other bands mates were doing at all plausible opportunities.

audioslave sounds great to me. i guess because of where the members hail from everyone thinks they should do this or that and the expectations are outrageous. i don't notice any other band being talked about like AS. it's like yall expect perfect rock and nothing else from these guys. i would never be satisfied if i only looked for perfect rock from anyone even led zeppelin. its just straight up rock music. i personally love both audioslave albums i have, but may be thats cause i don't need them to be or sound like anything specific. and their songs don't sound alike. thats a half informed opinion by people who don't have the albums, and i invite anyone to list AS songs that do. I expect the new pearl jam and audioslave and neil young and RHCP and thom yorke and whatever else albums that come out to be excellent music but never expect anything specific, that would just ruin it for me.

facepollution

Brisk wrote:

If he is such a good drummer why can't he play the beat correctly in Outshined or do all the super fills in Spoonman ? Don't give me "he's doing his own lovely rap style BS" - it's because he doesn't have the ability to play it! I've been drumming for ages and know a lot about drums/drummers and being in a band.

Maybe this is the reason why, in some of their more recent shows, they have been making Brad face away from the crowd ? and the rest of the band?

Don't get me wrong I do like Audioslave they have some really good songs and piss all over most bands out there today, but I tend to agree with the whole "there seems to be something missing" argument, generally speaking.

I thought Euphoria Morning was a very very good album - I look forward to some more solo stuff from Chris.

You'd have to be very bold to say that Audioslave are NOT even slightly overrated? They’re definetaly NOT a “great” band. I don’t think they will stand the test of time and I sincerely doubt that people in 10 years time will chose to buy an Audioslave CD over a Soundgarden CD.

Yeah but then I doubt Matt would play Spoonman exactly the same now either. Matt plays Given to fly much more simply than Jack Irons did, but the song as a whole still sounds good. I think you're being a tad pedantic mr brisk!!!! His drumming with rage was superb, and dare I say it but probably better than most drummers could ever hope to be. Just a question, but are you actually a ratm fan?

I'm not sure either who it is you think is rating Audioslave so highly? Ok obviously some fans, but critics aren't exactly crawling up their arses. Remember Soundgarden didn't really hit their stride till their fourth release, and by the sound of the new song clips this new Audioslave record definitely looks to be a step forward, so perhaps it will be the same kind of situation with them.

pjfan020

i too like audioslave a lot. You guys can't keep comparing them to rage or sg. Granted them playing old rage songs or sg might not be as good as the originals, but as a band audioslave puts out some good stuff. Their first album had some great tracks, cochise, gasoline that had some simple but powerful drumming. If you listen to ac/dc it definitely isn't complicated drumming but it fits. I have yet to see them live but from what i've heard they tear it up live. Audioslave is great.

reversedarwinism

i've listened to AS today and i really think they play great classic rock. they have their own style and it is one i definately dig. for that straight up rock they are my favorite of current bands, along with pearl jam.

We All Believe

Hilarious. He does look like Roger Federer (who lost a match in North America for the first time in 2 years earlier today).

He's a so-so drummer. Original Fire is terrible. Their first 2 albums weren't bad, but at least they aren't Velvet Revolver, which is awful.

mike_s_6

You guys know what, no one shoved into my head the idea that Brad sucks as a drummer. Aren't you guys wondering why there are so many people who bitch about his skills? I think he really, just, sucks. I don't care how great he was in Rage - even in Rage, he still does not par up with the best of them. He's in a new band now, and he can't make himself sound dynamic, and that's a fact.

Brisk

We All Believe wrote:

Hilarious. He does look like Roger Federer (who lost a match in North America for the first time in 2 years earlier today).

He's a so-so drummer. Original Fire is terrible. Their first 2 albums weren't bad, but at least they aren't Velvet Revolver, which is awful.

Ye was flicking between that and the England match. First time he has lost outside the final for 17 tournaments! Even better was beaten by the rising star in the UK:)

travis2000

I would like some of these Audioslave and Velvet Revolver bashers to please offer some alternatives... Rock radio these days is INFESTED with EMO SHIT so when a new Audioslave or Velvet Revolver arrives, I have to buy it because I NEED straight up new rock and roll. I can't think of any other bands that can offer that to me. And there are a ton of bands who's songs sound the same, especially to people who don't pay attention to the lyrics, which is what I think we have here. All I require from these guys is a solid rock record, and they deliver every time.

lephty

get rid of Brad?

when i heard there new song.. the only thing i disliked about it is the SAME GOD DAMNED GENERIC TOM MORELLO SOLO!

either make him stop doing those solo's or make him not part of the band.

bass/drums kick ass IMO~

Toshala

yeah...........what Travis said!!! Plus they DO kick ass live.....I've seen them 14 times so far, 7 each tour and they've come a long way and they're not done growing......pick away if you wish.......it doesn't matter......don't like em, don't listen............simple...........but just because some of you don't like them, does NOT mean they suck.

Brisk

I like Audioslave. I think most people on this thread do! Just rekon they could sound better.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

I think Audioslave is better off broken up to be quite honest. I liked Soundgarden, I loved RATM, but this isn't working. And it's got nothing to do with the drummer.

Cornell and Morello compromise their styles and strengths in this band, when they should be complimenting eachother. I think Cornell could have a very successful solo career, and he'd be making better music. I liked his solo stuff a lot. And the remains of RATM would be much better off with Morello providing the main creative direction for a harder band.

enharmonic

travis2000 wrote:

I would like some of these Audioslave and Velvet Revolver bashers to please offer some alternatives... Rock radio these days is INFESTED with EMO SHIT so when a new Audioslave or Velvet Revolver arrives, I have to buy it because I NEED straight up new rock and roll. I can't think of any other bands that can offer that to me. And there are a ton of bands who's songs sound the same, especially to people who don't pay attention to the lyrics, which is what I think we have here. All I require from these guys is a solid rock record, and they deliver every time.

Oceansize
Porcupine Tree
QOTSA
Animal Pharm
Jordan Cook

Muse finally made a good album worthy of their hype. Even the new Helmet rocks harder, though Page Hamilton is no Chris Cornell.

Scratchin a Letter

BRAD WILK = ROGER FEDERER?!?!?!?

you're off your nut!

mike_s_6

^ They DO look alike.

Brisk

enharmonic wrote:

Oceansize
Porcupine Tree
QOTSA
Animal Pharm
Jordan Cook

Muse finally made a good album worthy of their hype. Even the new Helmet rocks harder, though Page Hamilton is no Chris Cornell.

Some good bands there. Are you in the Uk? Going to see Porcupine Tree @ Astoria in September?

enharmonic

Brisk wrote:

Some good bands there. Are you in the Uk? Going to see Porcupine Tree @ Astoria in September?

Sadly, I am not in the UK. It's twice as hard for me to find the good stuff because most of it has already happened by the time it gets here.

We have some good bands, but the music that is having the biggest influence on me these days comes from the UK for the most part.

Oh, and http://www.jordancook.com/ for those of you who don't know him. His band consists of Ben Shepherd on bass, and Matt Chamberlain on drums. That doesn't suck.

PearlJam134

Don't blame anything on wilk, hes amazing, keep giving their cd's listens, it catches on eventually.

rage333

I like AS. I have both thier albums and saw them live. They were great live I thought.

However, I do think Brad Wilk needs to go and Tom needs to mix it up a bit with the solos. It gets so fucking annoying listening to them sometimes cause they are so predictable now. every song goes like this:

verse
chorus
verse
chorus
build/breakdown of somekind
solo
Chorus
end

Has anyone else noticed that??? Change the arrangements!!!
I am not saying all the songs SOUND the same, cause they dont. Its just the way they are arranged.
God its annoying. I just notice they have done that same arrangement in all their albums since Evil Empire. I think a new drummer would change that. Does anyone else notice that? It was kickass in RATM, but now its just overdone and boring cause its so predictable. I heard original fire for the first time and I called out how the song would go and I was right. They need to challenge themselves more. Or fire Brad. He used to be good, but he lost it. So did morello in a way but I know he can redeem himself. Chris is great tho! I cant wait for the solo shit.