Any of you attend Woodstock '99??

HughFreakingDillon

cp3iverson said:

Yep.  I think Limp Bizkit had 4 or 5 really good songs.   They knew how to control a crowd.   

Still do because they killed it at Lollapalooza last night.  

I was shocked at
A: how good they sounded on the webcast. 
B:  how 100k people who were probably all born after 1999 thoroughly enjoyed them yesterday.  

why did fred durst look like one of the guys in the Beastie Boys Sabotage video?

cp3iverson

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Yep.  I think Limp Bizkit had 4 or 5 really good songs.   They knew how to control a crowd.   

Still do because they killed it at Lollapalooza last night.  

I was shocked at
A: how good they sounded on the webcast. 
B:  how 100k people who were probably all born after 1999 thoroughly enjoyed them yesterday.  

why did fred durst look like one of the guys in the Beastie Boys Sabotage video?

My guess is one of his movie roles?  He seemed to enjoy it lol

2-feign-reluctance

Mikemzl91 said:

ikiT said:

Megadeth to close?  At the AF base?  Dave Mustaine?  Damn.  I didn't even know.

Everything was Fred's fault.  And Tabitha Soren, too.

Seems like an awful lotta evenbros. 

Yeah I was surprised to hear this too, I always thought RHCP closed this thing on the main stage, but Megadeath finished 10 minutes after RHCP. 

I love that the term ‘evenbros’ has stuck around. Made up by myself, @mfc2006 & our respective wives in the parking lot at PJ20. I think we even had a made up tune to go with it. Evenbros, so damn drunk why nobody knows. Haha!! 

mookeywrench

cp3iverson said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Yep.  I think Limp Bizkit had 4 or 5 really good songs.   They knew how to control a crowd.   

Still do because they killed it at Lollapalooza last night.  

I was shocked at
A: how good they sounded on the webcast. 
B:  how 100k people who were probably all born after 1999 thoroughly enjoyed them yesterday.  

why did fred durst look like one of the guys in the Beastie Boys Sabotage video?

My guess is one of his movie roles?  He seemed to enjoy it lol

Dressed like a millenial/Gen x Dad to promote their single, "dad vibes".

Indifference71

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Gern Blansten

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

mschostok

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Yep.  I think Limp Bizkit had 4 or 5 really good songs.   They knew how to control a crowd.   

Still do because they killed it at Lollapalooza last night.  

I was shocked at
A: how good they sounded on the webcast. 
B:  how 100k people who were probably all born after 1999 thoroughly enjoyed them yesterday.  

why did fred durst look like one of the guys in the Beastie Boys Sabotage video?

Sorry, just created a separate thread on this b/c I didn't see this one.

But I was at the Lolla show and godamn they tore it up. Went with some friends and we were all laughing at the prospect of seeing LB. I can honestly say they far and away exceeded my expectations. Not surprised the Woodstock 99 fiasco occurred b/c they can get a crowd going in a heartbeat. 

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

agreed...

We have had many discussions in my house about why men can walk around without shirts and women can't.  It should be equal but it just isn't.  I'm going to stare at those boobies.  I won't touch them....but many others will given the opportunity.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

agreed...

We have had many discussions in my house about why men can walk around without shirts and women can't.  It should be equal but it just isn't.  I'm going to stare at those boobies.  I won't touch them....but many others will given the opportunity.

it's actually legal for women to be topless everywhere men are allowed to be topless (at least I think it is). but women just don't do it here. 

cp3iverson

ikiT said:

head to 19:19 and let it run...

For a long time I only had the audio of this 1 song and that was my entire Woodstock 99 experience. Just hearing that 1 song, I knew that the whole scene was an out of control zoo. I can't believe it was still daylight. I wanted to go, in retrospect, I am so glad I did not. Like the NFL, it's better on TV. I never even thought of watching on the You Tubes. I'm going to start watching tonight, Rage first. then Bush, then Ice Cube, the RHCPs and then Metallica.

“Break Stuff” performance is one of the best things ive ever seen. 

Notice he made no comments about the festival or the $10 water bottles.   That became a myth somehow.   Not to mention the riots were 27 hours after Limp Bizkit’s set.  

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

agreed...

We have had many discussions in my house about why men can walk around without shirts and women can't.  It should be equal but it just isn't.  I'm going to stare at those boobies.  I won't touch them....but many others will given the opportunity.

To tell you the truth, I'm not crazy about anybody walking around topless.  In fact, it seems more tasteless when men are topless- especially when it comes to the hairy rock star dude without a shirt on thing.  It's not that I base my tastes on music around that kind of thing, but when I think about it, I don't remember seeing any of these favorite musician people (in real life or in photos) topless:

Neil Young (or any other Crazy Horse member)

J Mascis

Lou Barlow

Steve Wynn

Paul Westerberg

Bob Dylan

Pete Townshend

Tom Petty

Ian Anderson

All four Beatles

Eric Clapton

Leslie West

Brian Eno

Robert Fripp

Sandy Bull

Sun Ra

Miles Davis

John Coltrane

Albert Ayler

Thelonious Monk

Ornette Coleman

And some of those who have, shouldn't have because it made them look ridiculous:

Brian Wilson

Jimi Hendrix

Larry Coryell (well, OK, only on his second album cover and it was OK because Julie Coryell is on it!)

And don't talk to me about Eddie Vedder, lol.  I'm a mid-period PJ fan and he had outgrown that nonsense by then!

dankind

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

agreed...

We have had many discussions in my house about why men can walk around without shirts and women can't.  It should be equal but it just isn't.  I'm going to stare at those boobies.  I won't touch them....but many others will given the opportunity.

To tell you the truth, I'm not crazy about anybody walking around topless.  In fact, it seems more tasteless when men are topless- especially when it comes to the hairy rock star dude without a shirt on thing.  It's not that I base my tastes on music around that kind of thing, but when I think about it, I don't remember seeing any of these favorite musician people (in real life or in photos) topless:

Neil Young (or any other Crazy Horse member)

J Mascis

Lou Barlow

Steve Wynn

Paul Westerberg

Bob Dylan

Pete Townshend

Tom Petty

Ian Anderson

All four Beatles

Eric Clapton

Leslie West

Brian Eno

Robert Fripp

Sandy Bull

Sun Ra

Miles Davis

John Coltrane

Albert Ayler

Thelonious Monk

Ornette Coleman

And some of those who have, shouldn't have because it made them look ridiculous:

Brian Wilson

Jimi Hendrix

Larry Coryell (well, OK, only on his second album cover and it was OK because Julie Coryell is on it!)

And don't talk to me about Eddie Vedder, lol.  I'm a mid-period PJ fan and he had outgrown that nonsense by then!

What’s your stance on Donald Duck?

brianlux

dankind said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Indifference71 said:

Watched the doc last night.  I though it was pretty good but could have done without the all the super liberal blowhard writers who weren't constantly talking about all white males being evil, rapey bros. Obviously some horrific things happened, but I would have been more interested in hearing from more people who were actually there.

And how big of a douchebag is that promoter John Scher that pretty much blamed Fred Durst for everything???  You had a band with a huge hit at the time called "Break Stuff".  What the hell did they think was going to happen?  And he was blaming the women who were topless for being assaulted?!?  What an asshole.  Perhaps the fact that they had nowhere near enough security and staff to handle that big of a crowd caused most of the issues.

Korn playing Blind is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.  The crowd when that song kicks in is absolute insanity...couldn't imagine being in a crowd like that.  Good thing I was still in high school in 99 because if I was a few years older at the time I definitely would have tried to go...

Actually I think the evil/white/rapey description was pretty accurate.

Scher was a total douchebag but I couldn't disagree with him about putting some blame on the women. Should a woman be able to walk around a festival topless and not be groped?  Yes.

Should those women have expected men to grab their boobs in the crowd?  Yes. We are animals after all. There is no way they could expect to lay out their goods and not expect groping.

Some of the sexual assaults that took place were disturbing and I don't think those were the topless girls.  

I have three daughters and you can bet that my advice would have been to keep their tops on, don't drink too much, and to stay away from the pit. My oldest daughter had someone drug up her drink several years ago and she was assaulted by that person. The police didn't give much of a shit because she willingly went to his apartment. Making that drive to the hospital without knowing what was going on was one of the most frightening things of my life. 

before you get jumped all over, people, please remember he prefaced paragraph 3 with the bolded. 

expectation does not equal exoneration. 

Yeah I expect some flack but I'm right. Amerikkkans are too fucking stupid to not grope females when given the opportunity. When there is a lack of authority and they are basically anonymous in a crowd they will do whatever the fuck they think they can get away with.

oh it ain't just americans.....I assure you. it's many men in general. 

agreed...

We have had many discussions in my house about why men can walk around without shirts and women can't.  It should be equal but it just isn't.  I'm going to stare at those boobies.  I won't touch them....but many others will given the opportunity.

To tell you the truth, I'm not crazy about anybody walking around topless.  In fact, it seems more tasteless when men are topless- especially when it comes to the hairy rock star dude without a shirt on thing.  It's not that I base my tastes on music around that kind of thing, but when I think about it, I don't remember seeing any of these favorite musician people (in real life or in photos) topless:

Neil Young (or any other Crazy Horse member)

J Mascis

Lou Barlow

Steve Wynn

Paul Westerberg

Bob Dylan

Pete Townshend

Tom Petty

Ian Anderson

All four Beatles

Eric Clapton

Leslie West

Brian Eno

Robert Fripp

Sandy Bull

Sun Ra

Miles Davis

John Coltrane

Albert Ayler

Thelonious Monk

Ornette Coleman

And some of those who have, shouldn't have because it made them look ridiculous:

Brian Wilson

Jimi Hendrix

Larry Coryell (well, OK, only on his second album cover and it was OK because Julie Coryell is on it!)

And don't talk to me about Eddie Vedder, lol.  I'm a mid-period PJ fan and he had outgrown that nonsense by then!

What’s your stance on Donald Duck?

OOPS!

HughFreakingDillon

layne staley was frequently pictured topless. while it kind of reminds me of the bygone era of the 80's cock rock, it didn't bother me that much. chris cornell in the 90's was also frequently topless. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

layne staley was frequently pictured topless. while it kind of reminds me of the bygone era of the 80's cock rock, it didn't bother me that much. chris cornell in the 90's was also frequently topless. 

As cheesy & cringeworthy as it was, shirtless Layne was still a better look than spandex Layne. 

1STmammal2wearPants

I watched it on PPV with my buddy when we were 14. His parents allowed him to get it. I only remember seeing a couple of bands that I love, and the fact that you could see the ladies....well....you know...uncensored....

I am eager to look back at it now in the documentary, and see how much I cringe now (Fred Durst was cringeworthy even THEN....)

hihobibo

Then there are dudes like Dave Navarro who don't even seem to own a shirt.