Grammys 2006

Poncier

bonavista2005 wrote:

you wanna do battle with me over U2...go right ahead...like i said, it was all IMHO....

ANYONE WHO CHARGES THEIR LONG TIME LOYAL FANS $175 PER TICKET, WHILE MAKING 200+ MILLION ON A TOUR, DOES NOT HAVE A THING TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. IT'S 100% PURE GREED.

Why doesn't U2 charge the fans $50 for gold circle tickets and let US decide which charity WE want to give our money to...why do I have to be convinced that just because they give to charity that it is justified to pay $175 PER ticket

go ahead...

Well to be fair, the closest tickets for U2 were $49.50 for the General Admission tix. The $165(not 175) were for good seated tix and other tix were $95 for lowers across and rears and some balcs and more $49.50 seats in the balconies.
Expensive compared to Pearl Jam, inexpensive compared to Paul McCartney($250 top ticket) ,who you don't rail against in your Grammy post and extremely inexpensive compared the The Rolling Stones ($450 top ticket).

There ticket price has nothing to do with charity. They put on a top notch show with a lot of staging and lighting, and charge what is probably below fair market value on average for said show when compared to other acts touring.
We here are spoiled by PJ's normally lower ticket price structure, and high quality show.
U2 are far from the worst offenders with high ticket prices. And since every show they played in 2005 sold out, its likely as I mentioned that the prices are at least set right according to the marketplace.
The Stones on the other hand have had some difficulties selling all their expensive tickets, even secretly dropping some released seats from top price to 2nd level (which at $160 was about equal to U2's top price for far inferior seating.)

bonavista2005

Poncier wrote:

Well to be fair, the closest tickets for U2 were $49.50 for the General Admission tix. The $165(not 175) were for good seated tix and other tix were $95 for lowers across and rears and some balcs and more $49.50 seats in the balconies.
Expensive compared to Pearl Jam, inexpensive compared to Paul McCartney($250 top ticket) ,who you don't rail against in your Grammy post and extremely inexpensive compared the The Rolling Stones ($450 top ticket).

There ticket price has nothing to do with charity. They put on a top notch show with a lot of staging and lighting, and charge what is probably below fair market value on average for said show when compared to other acts touring.
We here are spoiled by PJ's normally lower ticket price structure, and high quality show.
U2 are far from the worst offenders with high ticket prices. And since every show they played in 2005 sold out, its likely as I mentioned that the prices are at least set right according to the marketplace.
The Stones on the other hand have had some difficulties selling all their expensive tickets, even secretly dropping some released seats from top price to 2nd level (which at $160 was about equal to U2's top price for far inferior seating.)

who cares what the stones or sir paul charges...they are all in the same league as U2 as far as i am concerned. who cares if u2 aren't the worst offender.

i suppose you have seen the way U2 priced their tickets for this last tour?
the biggest area of tickets were $165. besides how much of a chance does the average fan have to get those $50 floor seats...be honest. scalpers scooped up those tickets, not the fans. also who's cares if it was $165 or $175(it was $175 in canada, btw) PLUS you pay around $25 per ticket service charge so really it's about $200 per ticket if you want to really talk about nickels and dimes....and because the ticket is so expensive the service charge is also expensive....so yet another rip...

so who can afford these expensive tickets? am i less of a fan because i can't afford a $200 ticket. are the fans up front in the golden circle more loyal, than the fans in the cheap seats. everyone has their own opinion but charging $200 a ticket is a rip, no matter how you look at it. U2's last tour made over $150 million dollars, this tour made more. don't you think it's about time they gave some back to the long time loyal fans, the very ones who put them in these french villas in the first place?

if you want me to hark on about U2's "sponsored scalper/tour company" i can also do that...assuming you've heard about ETS tours...

BUFFALO

if you want me to hark on about U2's "sponsored scalper/tour company" i can also do that...assuming you've heard about ETS tours...[/quote]


no no please elaborate on the subject ....

i hope pj does not get to levof price value anyway ...we already pay 50 some bucks for shows ...which is not to bad but when you want to go to a few shows ...it kind of hits u in your pocket books ....

mattosborne

bonavista2005 wrote:

you wanna do battle with me over U2...go right ahead...like i said, it was all IMHO....

ANYONE WHO CHARGES THEIR LONG TIME LOYAL FANS $175 PER TICKET, WHILE MAKING 200+ MILLION ON A TOUR, DOES NOT HAVE A THING TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. IT'S 100% PURE GREED.

Why doesn't U2 charge the fans $50 for gold circle tickets and let US decide which charity WE want to give our money to...why do I have to be convinced that just because they give to charity that it is justified to pay $175 PER ticket

go ahead...

U2 is the only band that gets crap about ticket prices. The Stones charge an arm and a leg but, no one ever complains about that. I would argue that U2 sound better live & put on a better show.

Cropduster49

abhi101cru wrote:

I just saw my favorite Beatles song get ruined by Linkin Park and Jay-Z...that was horrible

I didn't see this, but i'm sure it was an abomination.
I hate Linkin Park sooo much, they are fucking awful.

Poncier

bonavista2005 wrote:

who cares what the stones or sir paul charges...they are all in the same league as U2 as far as i am concerned. who cares if u2 aren't the worst offender.

i suppose you have seen the way U2 priced their tickets for this last tour?
the biggest area of tickets were $165. besides how much of a chance does the average fan have to get those $50 floor seats...be honest. scalpers scooped up those tickets, not the fans. also who's cares if it was $165 or $175(it was $175 in canada, btw) PLUS you pay around $25 per ticket service charge so really it's about $200 per ticket if you want to really talk about nickels and dimes....and because the ticket is so expensive the service charge is also expensive....so yet another rip...

so who can afford these expensive tickets? am i less of a fan because i can't afford a $200 ticket. are the fans up front in the golden circle more loyal, than the fans in the cheap seats. everyone has their own opinion but charging $200 a ticket is a rip, no matter how you look at it. U2's last tour made over $150 million dollars, this tour made more. don't you think it's about time they gave some back to the long time loyal fans, the very ones who put them in these french villas in the first place?

if you want me to hark on about U2's "sponsored scalper/tour company" i can also do that...assuming you've heard about ETS tours...

I'm well aware of the pricing and seating breakdown for the U2 tour.
the $165 tix (I'm in the US, plus isn't $175 CDN only like $12.69 US ) were the lower arena tix, excluding side/rears and excluding opposite end club levels at most venues. The entire balcony was either $95 or $49.50, so $165 did not quite represent the biggest number of tix.
A reasonable percentage breakdown for a typical 20,000 seat show would be:
GA at $49.50 10%
Lowers at $165: 30%
Lowers at $95: 10%
Balconies at $95: 35%
Balconies at $49.50: 15%

Obviously just estimates, but using the Fleetcenter as my example, the $165 seats were for 16 out of 22 loge sections and 14 out of 30 club sections. Average was 1800-2000 GA seats per show, about 10% of capacity.

Is it the bands fault if GA tix were scalped?
Is it the band's fault that Ticketmaster put a convenience fee on top?
They see none of those dollars.

I know all about ETS.

Aas for giving back to fans, well as a former Propaganda subscriber (fanclub magazine) I was able to access a presale for the spring leg, but as well documented that was run poorly by Fanfire and many fans missed GA's. My code was re-enabled for the fall leg as a result and I was able to use it to purchase GA tickets.
So while they may not be the 10Club (who is) they did do something for their loyal fans.

It can be argued from both sides ad nauseum. Believe me I'd love for every band to charge the way Pearl jam does, but its not realistic. My opinion on U2 is that they are higher than I'd like, but to me worth it.
I saw 6 shows this tour, only once from $165 seats. I know the Fleetcenter well and went after 2 particular sections which were $95 for the shows I didn't get GA. These are direct side stage and a much better value and view than most of the $165.

bonavista2005

Poncier wrote:

I'm well aware of the pricing and seating breakdown for the U2 tour.
the $165 tix (I'm in the US, plus isn't $175 CDN only like $12.69 US ) were the lower arena tix, excluding side/rears and excluding opposite end club levels at most venues. The entire balcony was either $95 or $49.50, so $165 did not quite represent the biggest number of tix.
A reasonable percentage breakdown for a typical 20,000 seat show would be:
GA at $49.50 10%
Lowers at $165: 30%
Lowers at $95: 10%
Balconies at $95: 35%
Balconies at $49.50: 15%

Obviously just estimates, but using the Fleetcenter as my example, the $165 seats were for 16 out of 22 loge sections and 14 out of 30 club sections. Average was 1800-2000 GA seats per show, about 10% of capacity.

Is it the bands fault if GA tix were scalped?
Is it the band's fault that Ticketmaster put a convenience fee on top?
They see none of those dollars.

I know all about ETS.

Aas for giving back to fans, well as a former Propaganda subscriber (fanclub magazine) I was able to access a presale for the spring leg, but as well documented that was run poorly by Fanfire and many fans missed GA's. My code was re-enabled for the fall leg as a result and I was able to use it to purchase GA tickets.
So while they may not be the 10Club (who is) they did do something for their loyal fans.

It can be argued from both sides ad nauseum. Believe me I'd love for every band to charge the way Pearl jam does, but its not realistic. My opinion on U2 is that they are higher than I'd like, but to me worth it.
I saw 6 shows this tour, only once from $165 seats. I know the Fleetcenter well and went after 2 particular sections which were $95 for the shows I didn't get GA. These are direct side stage and a much better value and view than most of the $165.

GA at $49.50 10%
Lowers at $165: 30%
Lowers at $95: 10%
Balconies at $95: 35%
Balconies at $49.50: 15%

wow that's worse than i thought it was. 75% of the tickets are more than $100...for a band that is as rich as U2 dontcha' think they could do something for us? and yes i'm a prop/u2 fan club member and i am still pissed. NO ticket should cost $100+, let alone $200, especially if the band makes 100+million dollars per tour...there is just no need to charge that much, REGARDLESS of market value. it all comes down to pure greed, at the expense of the long time loyal fans. is it OK for U2 to gross 3million+ dollars per show at the expense of us??

funny remark about the CDN vs US $ LOL...and just so you know the exchange rate isn't nearly what it use to be...last i checked it was 15% difference, but thats neither here no there...

you totally avoided that ETS issue...lmfao! sure you don't wanna wrestle over that "service" with me

everyone has their breaking point and please beleive i loved this last tour/cd, though not as much as ATYCLB but the BOTTOM line is that they have the nerve to charge $175 a ticket...while they drive around in fine limo's, sip expensive wine in luxurious locales and claim "they're worth it"...well you know what, IMHO they aren't. no one is.

i saw 6 shows last tour and 2 this tour and would never pay $100+ per ticket, even if it was pearl jam...and QUIT bringing in PJ as an example, LOL...cause quite frankly they are in a class all their own, which why i remain a long time loyal fan, who just can't say a bad word about anything in their organization, right from the very top to the bottom...you ain't gonna get better than what PJ and 10C offer us. this i know

Poncier

bonavista2005 wrote:

GA at $49.50 10%
Lowers at $165: 30%
Lowers at $95: 10%
Balconies at $95: 35%
Balconies at $49.50: 15%

wow that's worse than i thought it was. 75% of the tickets are more than $100...for a band that is as rich as U2 dontcha' think they could do something for us? and yes i'm a prop/u2 fan club member and i am still pissed. NO ticket should cost $100+, let alone $200, especially if the band makes 100+million dollars per tour...there is just no need to charge that much, REGARDLESS of market value. it all comes down to pure greed, at the expense of the long time loyal fans. is it OK for U2 to gross 3million+ dollars per show at the expense of us??

funny remark about the CDN vs US $ LOL...and just so you know the exchange rate isn't nearly what it use to be...last i checked it was 15% difference, but thats neither here no there...

you totally avoided that ETS issue...lmfao! sure you don't wanna wrestle over that "service" with me

everyone has their breaking point and please beleive i loved this last tour/cd, though not as much as ATYCLB but the BOTTOM line is that they have the nerve to charge $175 a ticket...while they drive around in fine limo's, sip expensive wine in luxurious locales and claim "they're worth it"...well you know what, IMHO they aren't. no one is.

i saw 6 shows last tour and 2 this tour and would never pay $100+ per ticket, even if it was pearl jam...and QUIT bringing in PJ as an example, LOL...cause quite frankly they are in a class all their own, which why i remain a long time loyal fan, who just can't say a bad word about anything in their organization, right from the very top to the bottom...you ain't gonna get better than what PJ and 10C offer us. this i know

The CDN exchange rate thing was a joke of course.

As for ETS, I didn't bother cause its a little off topic from the argument,(and I think if you want to "blame" anyone here it'd be Paul McGuiness) and they could justify the price with the parties/travel packages etc. The Stones have done similar travel things too. For some people ETS without the travel was a cheaper way to get a GA ticket than a broker or ebay, so it is what it is.

Again, I don't like the price structure for U2 or lots of other bands, my argument is just that for the show they put on, U2 is not nearly as outrageuosly priced as some others coughStonescough.

Anyway, I think we have a similar view on the subject with just a difference of where we draw the line. Thats cool, its why they make chocolate and vanilla.
I don't begrudge the guys in U2 for making a living, and their tour has to support a lot of other people, it employs more folks than the average tour, so I can deal with the prices, don't like them, but accept them. If the prices vault into the Stonesosphere on the next tour, I will have a different outlook.

bonavista2005

Poncier wrote:

The CDN exchange rate thing was a joke of course.

As for ETS, I didn't bother cause its a little off topic from the argument,(and I think if you want to "blame" anyone here it'd be Paul McGuiness) and they could justify the price with the parties/travel packages etc. The Stones have done similar travel things too. For some people ETS without the travel was a cheaper way to get a GA ticket than a broker or ebay, so it is what it is.

Again, I don't like the price structure for U2 or lots of other bands, my argument is just that for the show they put on, U2 is not nearly as outrageuosly priced as some others coughStonescough.

Anyway, I think we have a similar view on the subject with just a difference of where we draw the line. Thats cool, its why they make chocolate and vanilla.
I don't begrudge the guys in U2 for making a living, and their tour has to support a lot of other people, it employs more folks than the average tour, so I can deal with the prices, don't like them, but accept them. If the prices vault into the Stonesosphere on the next tour, I will have a different outlook.

thanks for the reply back and i certainly agree with many of your points as well, and of course, totally understand the 2 flavours of ice cream being available

i'm still very disappointed with the whole ETS scam...seems band run as well. paul certainly is part of that band. so it looks bad on u2. they are offering no "service" imho...just an extention of the arm that sells tickets WAY above cost, at the expense of the long time loyal fans needs. i can find my own way to the show, and my own party to attend beforehand...thank ya very much! lol

i don't even want to talk about the stones and sir paul because the real problem as i can see it is with U2. last tour was $135 this tour was $175 so what's gonna happen next tour?? the stones and sir paul are certainly part of the overall problem but U2 is from the 80's and I can't imagine what they will, think they're worth, when they hit pete/rogers, keith/mick and sir paul's age...grrrrrr

i suppose the real reason i can bitch is because i don't support paying for $100 tickets...otherwise i'd be shooting outside both sides of my mouth.

prop use to be 1 charge for 8 issues and that took years to do...now they are charging $35 per year...sure, i renewed this year, but if don't get some privledge next tour, over the people that just join every year,(new club), to scalp tickets, i'll be furthur pissed off. time will tell.

i just wish i had something good to say...

oh ya...i saw santana and los lonely boys last summer for $15 lawn tickets

sj_2150

Cropduster49 wrote:

I didn't see this, but i'm sure it was an abomination.
I hate Linkin Park sooo much, they are fucking awful.

and Paul joined them on stage... has music no shame anymore???
*puts gun in mouth*

sj_2150

OH! btw none of the music there deserved to be nominated for anything. the grammys is a peice of shit
EXAMPE OF THE GRAMMY'S:

make sum noooooooooooiiiiiiiisseeeee

YO YO YO YO YO

wassup yo?

id like to thank god...

GOODNIGHT YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL!!!!!!!

Drifting Away

one question
whats the difference between record of the year and album of the year?

bonavista2005

sj_2150 wrote:

OH! btw none of the music there deserved to be nominated for anything. the grammys is a peice of shit
EXAMPE OF THE GRAMMY'S:

make sum noooooooooooiiiiiiiisseeeee

YO YO YO YO YO

wassup yo?

id like to thank god...

GOODNIGHT YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL!!!!!!!

lmfao good one

actually this year's seemed a little less rap heavy than previous yrs

abhi101cru

sj_2150 wrote:

OH! btw none of the music there deserved to be nominated for anything. the grammys is a peice of shit
EXAMPE OF THE GRAMMY'S:

make sum noooooooooooiiiiiiiisseeeee

YO YO YO YO YO

wassup yo?

id like to thank god...

GOODNIGHT YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL!!!!!!!

I'd like to thank god, I'd like to thank Jesus-christ almighty, I'd like to thank the lord, for my number one album... its called...suck yo mama!

-Pablo Francisco (couldn't remember the exact words...but it went something like that)

imspinnin

I missed it, I really wanted to see Madonna and teh Gorillaz..is there a link I can watch it on??