Was Morrison a fraud or was he a pioneer?

Anon

Hey,with the song "Not To Touch The earth" alone Morrison shows his sheer genious. He was so damn literate for a rocker!

augustwest

civ_eng_girl wrote:

is this how you remember his grave?
http://www.jim-morrison.com/jmbust.jpg
http://home.att.net/~chuckayoub/Jim_Morrison_Grave.jpg

i think it would have been interesting to see it like that... but it has been totally cleaned up since.... in fact, there are barriers around it, preventing people from walking right up to it, and there was a security guard present.

i guess you've got to remember that those are other people's tombs surrounding his, which were being 'vandalized'...

and i don't consider Pere Lachaise cemetary as being a shit hole! one of the most beautiful and peaceful places i've been to!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/civ_eng_girl/Paris%202007/DSC02359.jpg

When I saw his grave it was cleaner than the photo with the writing all over the bust...there was no writing on the actual bust but almost everywhere else and yes you could go right up to it and place your hand on it if you wanted to. The security gaurd did his rounds but was not stationed at the grave, per say. It a shame they didn't clean up the bust and leave it in place.

Did you see Napoleon's grave? No offense to that cemetary but the building Napoleon is in is certainly KING worthy, unlike Jim's grave site...

civ_eng_girl

augustwest wrote:

Did you see Napoleon's grave? No offense to that cemetary but the building Napoleon is in is certainly KING worthy, unlike Jim's grave site...

hmm... i guess the city of Paris didn't consider the Lizard King to be actual royalty...

fada

robgray2772 wrote:

http://www.rodeoswest.com/

I was trying to find something one of my buddies said about Morrison actually dying in a bar and taken back to his apartment where he was later discovered.
I of course called BS but no - this says he is alive and well and a erm... cowboy.
Not sure his Native American Spirit would be easy with that but hey, ho.

I like the video at the bottom where there is this mustachioed cowboy and then they fade in the "Jesus Christ pose" over his face.

I have seen the new (21st Century) Doors twice and I am a genuine fan since hearing People are Strange by Echo & the Bunnymen over the end credits of the Lost Boys. With Eddie at the RRHOF in 92 and the film shortly after (I think) the music became a soundtrack to my life in the early to mid 90s. You could get away with sticking the Doors on at a party a lot easier than PJ!

A pioneer for me. The whole band though, the unmistakeable sound of the bass keyboard and Morrisons deep emotive voice. Yeah, pioneer.

Saw a documentary about that last night on TG4 . It was in the papers over the weekend how he od'd on 90% herion in the Rock and roll circus and how they was a big cover up and he was put back in his apartment.

~I really like the doors but I want to know what happened the other members of the band when Jim died?

Really like the band by the way

glasshouse

he was an indian chief trapped inside the body of bio-sexual pretty boy with a gloden voice and a dick as hard as asphalt

civ_eng_girl

fada wrote:

~I really like the doors but I want to know what happened the other members of the band when Jim died?

Really like the band by the way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doors

check out the section called "The 90's and Beyond"

it gives a good idea of what's going on now...

I saw "Riders On The Storm" play a few years back with Ian Astbury. (As I mentioned before, I think Ray was amazing, and I was pretty excited about seeing him play live, even without Jim).... Ian did a great job... and from a distance, with the dark hair and leather pants, he even looked a bit like Jim!

civ_eng_girl

fada wrote:

Saw a documentary about that last night on TG4 . It was in the papers over the weekend how he od'd on 90% herion in the Rock and roll circus and how they was a big cover up and he was put back in his apartment.

oh! i read an article once (in RS i think), saying that he did die in his apartment, and that his girlfriend Pamala was afraid to call the cops because of all the drugs involved.... so, being totally strung out herself, and not wanting to accept that fact that he was dead, she kept his body in the apartment for days (!), until a friend came over and discovered what had happened and convinced her to call the cops.... :eek:

pretty greusome...

Get_Right

he was a pioneer, an artist and a poet

unfortunately he was more of a drunk than anything else

DCGARDEN

Jim Morrison cannot be a fraud, because he did'nt contrive anything. It wasn't an act with him. He was who he was, albeit someone who was not sober.

His voice is one of the most recognizable and impressive in rock history, and the Doors music was SO different than what was going on back then, that you'd have to be a fool to say they did'nt leave their mark.

augustwest

civ_eng_girl wrote:

hmm... i guess the city of Paris didn't consider the Lizard King to be actual royalty...

I wouldn't travel back to that city if someone paid the hotel & airfare
But that's another story...lol

I not so sure Napoleon really deserved to be where he was buried...I think the city of Paris got those 2 gravesites mixed up

norm

robgray2772 wrote:

I was trying to find something one of my buddies said about Morrison actually dying in a bar and taken back to his apartment where he was later discovered.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070711/ap_ ... SZYm0E1vAI

New questions about Jim Morrison's death

By ANGELA DOLAND, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 1 minute ago

PARIS - The official story goes like this: On the last night of Jim Morrison's life, the rocker went to a movie in Paris, listened to records, fell ill and died of heart failure in his bathtub at the age of 27.
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But rumors have always swirled around the death of The Doors frontman and, 36 years later, a former Paris nightclub manager is telling a different story. In a new book, Sam Bernett says that Morrison died in a toilet stall of his club after what he believes was a heroin overdose.

He writes of his shock on finding Morrison's body: "The flamboyant singer of 'The Doors,' the beautiful California boy, had become an inert lump crumpled in the toilet of a nightclub." Bernett, whose French-language book is called "The End: Jim Morrison," says he believes two drug dealers brought Morrison's body back to his apartment.

Bernett, who was in his early 20s when Morrison died in 1971, went on to become a prominent radio personality, rock biographer and a vice president of Disneyland Paris. Though he was pestered for years by reporters investigating Morrison's death, he kept his story quiet until his wife suggested writing a book last year.

"For me it's a very bad (memory)," Bernett told The Associated Press.

Rumors have long suggested that Morrison died of an overdose and that he had fallen ill at the nightclub, but witnesses did not come forward.

Patrick Chauvel, a noted war photographer and writer, sometimes helped run the bar at the club. He recalls giving a hand to men who were carrying Morrison in a staircase there.

"I think he was already dead," said Chauvel, who considered putting the episode in a 2005 book before his publisher cautioned against it. Chauvel said he thought an ambulance would have been called if Morrison were still alive.

"I don't know," he said. "It was a long time ago, and we weren't drinking only water."

An official at the Paris prosecutor's office said it was very unlikely the case on Morrison's death would be reopened or that anybody could be prosecuted in the affair, because the statute of limitations — the time limit on legal proceedings — had run out.

Stephen Davis, the author of "Jim Morrison: Life, Death, Legend," says he would not rewrite history because of the new book. Based on his reporting, he believes Morrison did overdose at the club, but that it was shortly before his death — not the same night — and that he survived the experience.

"It just seems likely that if he died in the toilet of a nightclub, it would have come out before now," Davis said.

Morrison came to Paris in March 1971 at a troubled time in his life. At a 1969 concert in Florida, he was accused of exposing his genitals to the audience. He was convicted of indecent exposure and profanity, and the episode led to promoters canceling concerts and earned the band a stream of negative publicity.

Morrison left for Paris with his appeal pending. There, he lived in a Right Bank apartment with his girlfriend, Pamela Courson, and he wandered the streets, sightseeing and toting around a plastic bag containing his writings. In Paris, he gained so much weight as to become almost unrecognizable, and his health suffered.

He also partied. Morrison spent "practically every night" at the Rock and Roll Circus, the hip Left Bank nightclub that Bernett managed, where stars like Roman Polanski and Marianne Faithfull were regulars, Bernett said.

At around 1 a.m. on July 3, 1971, Morrison went to the club and was joined by two men — drug dealers who sold him heroin for Courson, Bernett said. At one point, Bernett noticed that Morrison had disappeared. Later, the bouncer broke down the door of a locked toilet stall, and they discovered Morrison unresponsive, Bernett said.

Bernett says he asked a doctor, a club customer, to examine the singer.

"When we found him dead, he had a little foam on his nose, and some blood too, and the doctor said, 'That must be an overdose of heroin,'" Bernett said. Bernett added that he did not see Morrison take any heroin that night but said the singer was known to sniff the drug because he was afraid of needles.

Bernett says the two drug dealers insisted Morrison was just unconscious and carried him out of the club. Though Bernett says he wanted to call the paramedics and authorities, the club's owner ordered him to keep quiet to avert a scandal.

Bernett believes the dealers brought Morrison's body home and dropped it into the bathtub, a last attempt to revive him.

Morrison's girlfriend, who died three years later of an overdose, told police an entirely different story.

Courson said the couple went to the movies and out for dinner that night, listened to records and fell asleep. According to her testimony in police records, Morrison awoke in the night feeling ill and took a hot bath. Courson said she found him dead in the tub.

Morrison was buried in Pere Lachaise cemetery, in a small ceremony without fanfare, on July 7, 1971. No autopsy was ever performed.

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Associated Press Writer Verena von Derschau in Paris contributed to this report.

BetterManningNYG

i believe that jim morrison was the greatest frontman of all time, almost a religious figure for many.

it didn't hurt that he was surrounded by three amazingly talented musicians, and that the four of them had an unbelievable chemistry together.

jim was completely original and unique as a frontman, as were the doors as a whole. i think they were one of the most important rock bands ever. they will be remembered as such for centuries to come.

it should also be noted that while jim certainly had his problems, he wasn't nearly the one-dimensional fuck up that oliver stone made him out to be. i thought it was a very good movie, but anyone who's using it to form their entire opinion of jim morrison is being severely misled.

BTW, thanks for posting that article, cutback.

jnine

fada wrote:

Saw a documentary about that last night on TG4 . It was in
~I really like the doors but I want to know what happened the other members of the band when Jim died?

Really like the band by the way

Ray Manzarek produced a lot of other bands, including X. Then, the rest of the band, without John Densmore who has tinnitis and can no longer perform, toured with Ian Astbury of the Cult as lead singer in the Doors of the 21st Century. John took them to court to stop them from using the Doors' name and won. They are now going on tour with Paul Rodgers from Bad Company and Free as their singer, I think they're called Riders on the Storm.

There is a Doors' cover band called "Wild Child" which is pretty good, Ray wanted their singer to play Jim in the Doors' movie. He had them perform at the anniversary celebration of the Doors at the Whiskey last year when they got their star on the Walk of Fame and the remastered set came out. I saw Robby Krieger sit in with them on Spanish Caravan, pretty surreal.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Right after Jimbo died, The Doors wanted Kevin Coyne to be their new lead singer. He refused, outright. He thought The Doors were crap.

kdpjam

i love the doors, but certain songs are a little too... evil for me to listen to sometimes.