remember the Hives and the Vines?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

yeah, me either.

i thought they were supposed to be the next big thing. what happpened to them? I liked that one Hives album a little, but their other albums suck. And I thought i liked the Vines until i saw them on TV. the lead singer definately wins the prize for person i most want to punch in the face. What a Cobain clone.

Joe2TheRevenge

i still remember when The Strokes and At The Drive In were going to be the next big thing

still wondering when is supposed to happen exactly.

Rhinocerous Surprise

The Strokes were the only ones who really made it through that scene. Really, they were all FAR too similar to make any sort of impact separate from each other. And crap. 'Cept the Strokes. Sometimes.

Pauk

Well....
The Hives are trying to make a bit of a comeback. They've played a few gigs recently and are doing the festival circuit this summer. I doubt they'll ever make it big, too gimmicky and not enough marketing sense.

The Vines I'm not too sure. A year or 2 ago they released some song that sounded totally unlike any other Vines song around (i.e. it didn't sound like Nirvana), which is usually a sign that they're about to be ditched by their record company and need to attract a new crowd... Whether they're still around or not, I'm not sure.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Actually, didn't the singer from the Vines get some condition that meant he couldn't play live for any significant amount of time or something? I feel kinda bad for them if that's the case.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Actually, didn't the singer from the Vines get some condition that meant he couldn't play live for any significant amount of time or something? I feel kinda bad for them if that's the case.

yeah i think they had a run of bad luck with an illness or something.

Jeremy1012

Both horrible, gimmicky bands who never could've made it past their "time".

reeferchief

I didn't realise they'd gone away, both bands still are touring and releasing albums, they both had there five minutes at the front of the mainstream, unfortunately, indie alternative is always a revolving door as to who is the next big thing, then a year later or so it's someone elses turn.

pjtaper

the hives will live on, thanks to EMEKs posters...
vines?

Yellow Ledbelly

The Vines first album is damn good in my opinion....bought the second one and thought it sucked though. The singer, I believe, has ADD or something similiar...can't remember exactly but vaguely remember reading about it

The Hives I also own and like to some degree but definitely no staying power.

The Strokes sucked from the start

i am a target

the vines singer has a functioning form of autism known as ausbergers (excuse my spelling). i had a class in college with a guy who had it and it makes them very socially awkward and to be honest. fucking obnoxious.

as far as the hives go. they could blow pearl jam off the stage. stateside they play pretty good sized venues but in europe and the rest of the world they play big venues (sell them out) and are typically one of the better draws at festivles.

now if mod punk is your thing then you'll love them. i think they're fantastic. and if you want to hear an amazing punk album listen to Barely Legal. jsut give it a chance.

*edit* and at the drive-in walked away on the verge of becoming one of the biggest bands in the world. they actually took music in a new direction as opposed to say..ripping off the who and neil young.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

hobbes wrote:

the vines singer has a functioning form of autism known as ausbergers (excuse my spelling). i had a class in college with a guy who had it and it makes them very socially awkward and to be honest. fucking obnoxious.

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ahh that explains a lot. now i feel bad for wanting to punch him in the face. but he is obnoxious fo sho!

Pauk

hobbes wrote:

as far as the hives go. they could blow pearl jam off the stage. stateside they play pretty good sized venues but in europe and the rest of the world they play big venues (sell them out) and are typically one of the better draws at festivles.

Not really. They never play massive venues in the UK, few 1000 tops (average sized theatres). As for festivals, they're usually half way up the first or 2nd stage, not exactly a 'main draw'. The festival slots are only 40 minutes or so, the usual slot for bands that are kinda popular but only have 1 song people want to hear. They haven't even played any festivals for quite a few years (2005? maybe 2006).

All in all, their hype exploded after Hate To Say I Told You So and has slowly depreciated since then. Whether this 'come back' will work after being silent for a while is anyone's guess.

Shawn Smith Collective

I never liked The Hives myself, but The Vines' first two albums (and most of the b-sides) were great. The 2nd album saw them branch out more into the harmonizing and melodies that came to define their sound. The third album was ok at best...they showed growth in some areas, but I've just never found it to be enjoyable. The 4th album is slated for release this year. An album every 2 years indicates that the band has never disappeared at all.

The band changed directions and became more focused, delivering songs with more depth and meaning. And the choice to be accept a smaller, dedicated fanbase rather than TRYING to dumb down their music for broader appeal speaks highly of them. Reminds me of Pearl Jam after the success of their debut album.

As for the other things - it was the press that forced the comparisons to Nirvana...not the band or even their label. Also, the singer has Asperger's Syndrome, which is a form of autism, as someone noted before. Symptoms of Asperger's is often mistaken for the person being a dick, since it effects social functions.

Pauk

pjny wrote:

As for the other things - it was the press that forced the comparisons to Nirvana...not the band or even their label.

I'm sure the label had a small part to play in it. If you read the blurbs PR teams send out with promo CDs they always involve some tenuous reference to a big famous band. I doubt they would miss a trick with Vines, even if the band themselves didn't want that image portrayed.

i am a target

fowls wrote:

Not really. They never play massive venues in the UK, few 1000 tops (average sized theatres). As for festivals, they're usually half way up the first or 2nd stage, not exactly a 'main draw'. The festival slots are only 40 minutes or so, the usual slot for bands that are kinda popular but only have 1 song people want to hear. They haven't even played any festivals for quite a few years (2005? maybe 2006).

All in all, their hype exploded after Hate To Say I Told You So and has slowly depreciated since then. Whether this 'come back' will work after being silent for a while is anyone's guess.

from the short amount of research i did they play venues that hold upwards of 3500+ when they tour england. they sell those out. not that it's a huge venue but for a punk band thats a pretty damn good draw.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

fowls wrote:

I'm sure the label had a small part to play in it. If you read the blurbs PR teams send out with promo CDs they always involve some tenuous reference to a big famous band. I doubt they would miss a trick with Vines, even if the band themselves didn't want that image portrayed.

i dont think they had to play up anything. how could you hear a few of their songs and his voice and not think Nirvana? some are straight up knock offs.

I did like some of their stuff though, but mostly they were pretty forgettable to me.

SVRDhand13

the Vines were the WORST band i ever saw.

it was like 5 years ago at a show with about 10 bands. they got boo'ed off the stage and people were throwing stuff at them.

Peter C

The Hives are still a pretty cool band but anyone see The Vines on Letterman a while back, here it is and it's interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBKm966ACdQ

dharma69

The Hives may not be the greatest band since (insert greatest band's name here) but they are phenomenal live. Every band/artist, established or up and coming, should see at least one Hives show in their lifetime in order to understand and receive a block of instruction in the art of showmanship.

Yes, they make PJ look like amateurs on stage.

catefrances

SVRDhand13 wrote:

the Vines were the WORST band i ever saw.

it was like 5 years ago at a show with about 10 bands. they got boo'ed off the stage and people were throwing stuff at them.

must have been an off night, cause ive seen the vines live twice fairly recently and i can tell you at the sydney BDO in january last year, they played what was one of the most hyper exhilarating gigs of my life. the entire crowd was one heaving mass of craziness. it was perfection.

see_the_world

catefrances wrote:

must have been an off night, cause ive seen the vines live twice fairly recently and i can tell you at the sydney BDO in january last year, they played what was one of the most hyper exhilarating gigs of my life. the entire crowd was one heaving mass of craziness. it was perfection.

Yeah, I've seen The Vines a few times here in the UK and even once at the Moore in Seattle in 2004. They've been good value every time, although strangely in Seattle there seemed to be more people at the gig to see Jet (who were supporting). Now THERE'S a next big thing that turned out to be a big pile of nothing very much.

Anyway, The Vines have put out three good albums so back off :-)

James The Shrimper

see_the_world wrote:

Anyway, The Vines have put out three good albums so back off :-)

... and The Vines are due to release a 'Best Of...' in the coming weeks.

I was considering buying it but i've already got Highly Evolved.

catefrances

James The Shrimper wrote:

... and The Vines are due to release a 'Best Of...' in the coming weeks.

I was considering buying it but i've already got Highly Evolved.

well tis already released here in oz. has been for a bit now. when i saw it i thought i was hallucinating. how the hell can a band with only three albums have a best of? ridiculous if you ask me and i love the vines.

James The Shrimper

catefrances wrote:

well tis already released here in oz. has been for a bit now. when i saw it i thought i was hallucinating. how the hell can a band with only three albums have a best of? ridiculous if you ask me and i love the vines.

Exactly. I was a big fan 'back in the day' but their last couple of records haven't really done it for me.

The 'Best Of' is actually already out here in the UK as well (it must've slipped me by, wonder why…?). Anyway, here's the track listing:

Get Free, Ride, Highly Evolved, Winning Days, Outtatheway, Autumn Shade, Autumn Shade II (eh?), Factory, Animal Machine, Don't Listen To The Radio, Vision Valley, Homesick, Fuck The World, Spaceship, Anysound, Sunchild.

Not exactly the best collection in the world is it? Still, Ride's a tune.

catefrances

James The Shrimper wrote:

Exactly. I was a big fan 'back in the day' but their last couple of records haven't really done it for me.

The 'Best Of' is actually already out here in the UK as well (it must've slipped me by, wonder why…?). Anyway, here's the track listing:

Get Free, Ride, Highly Evolved, Winning Days, Outtatheway, Autumn Shade, Autumn Shade II (eh?), Factory, Animal Machine, Don't Listen To The Radio, Vision Valley, Homesick, Fuck The World, Spaceship, Anysound, Sunchild.

Not exactly the best collection in the world is it? Still, Ride's a tune.

i still am a fan. ive liked all three of their albums cause they challenge me. theyre not the usual fare and tis what ive come to expect from the vines. i appreciate that. i could say they were my guilty pleasure but i dont feel guilt in acknowledging my love for them. of course i might be a little biased cause theyre local boys... but hey... whatever.

see_the_world

catefrances wrote:

i still am a fan. ive liked all three of their albums cause they challenge me. theyre not the usual fare and tis what ive come to expect from the vines. i appreciate that. i could say they were my guilty pleasure but i dont feel guilt in acknowledging my love for them. of course i might be a little biased cause theyre local boys... but hey... whatever.

Ignore the snobs who try to tell you what's cool and what's not. Nobody should ever feel guilty about liking music. Ever.

And especially not The Vines :-)

catefrances

see_the_world wrote:

Ignore the snobs who try to tell you what's cool and what's not. Nobody should ever feel guilty about liking music. Ever.

And especially not The Vines :-)

well have no fear, i am hardly someone who actually listens to what other people have to say. besides i dont need any lessons in whats cool.

i am a target

dharma69 wrote:

The Hives may not be the greatest band since (insert greatest band's name here) but they are phenomenal live. Every band/artist, established or up and coming, should see at least one Hives show in their lifetime in order to understand and receive a block of instruction in the art of showmanship.

Yes, they make PJ look like amateurs on stage.

exactly! everyone. and i mean EVERYONE. should see the hives at least once. howlin' pelle is the best front man in music right now. not to mention how fucking talented they are as musicians.

Shawn Smith Collective

catefrances wrote:

how the hell can a band with only three albums have a best of? ridiculous if you ask me

Aah, the business of music. Best-of's are usually released for one of the following reasons:

1. Fulfillment of contract - bands looking to finish a contract and move on to another label will often submit a best of.

2. Old label trying to capitalize on band's new release on a different label

3. Reminder or image correction - If a band has been on hiatus for while or there's a negative perception about the band itself, a label will often release a best of to remind old fans and draw in new fans about the band and the music, get the press focusing on some positives again...and create awareness of the upcoming release of a new album. In the case of The Vines, most of the press in the past 2 years has been about the Asperger's meltdown and it's negative effect on the band.

Just a note, when best-of's are "carefully handpicked and painstakingly re-mastered" by the band/producer, which has become the increasingly cool way to market many best-of's...that usually just means the band is looking to finish off its contract and a best-of will suffice. Of course there are always exceptions

i am a target

pjny wrote:

Aah, the business of music. Best-of's are usually released for one of the following reasons:

1. Fulfillment of contract - bands looking to finish a contract and move on to another label will often submit a best of.

2. Old label trying to capitalize on band's new release on a different label

3. Reminder or image correction - If a band has been on hiatus for while or there's a negative perception about the band itself, a label will often release a best of to remind old fans and draw in new fans about the band and the music, get the press focusing on some positives again...and create awareness of the upcoming release of a new album. In the case of The Vines, most of the press in the past 2 years has been about the Asperger's meltdown and it's negative effect on the band.

Just a note, when best-of's are "carefully handpicked and painstakingly re-mastered" by the band/producer, which has become the increasingly cool way to market many best-of's...that usually just means the band is looking to finish off its contract and a best-of will suffice. Of course there are always exceptions

for multi album deals "best of" albums are usually a contractual obligation.