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reditalianreditalian Posts: 329
edited August 2006 in Other Music
Are there any new Canadian bands out today that are making a huge impact on music around the world?

When my Dad was young he had The Guess Who, Rush, Neil Young etc. and when I was younger I had The Hip, Our Lady Peace, Moist, The Tea Party etc. Does a band like Billy Talent have what it takes to grab the torch from these great bands or are we still waiting for someone.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Didn't Avril take the world by storm after Alanis passed her the torch which she received from Celine, who stole it from Shania? I may have that out of order.
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  • reditalianreditalian Posts: 329
    even flow? wrote:
    Didn't Avril take the world by storm after Alanis passed her the torch which she received from Celine, who stole it from Shania? I may have that out of order.

    Yeah but the last thing I heard Avril do was marry that Sum 41 dude, which also proves my point......where is Sum 41?
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    nones of those stated 90s bands had any impact outside of canada on any sort of a appreciable scale.

    outside of pop packages that mr. flow quoted and crap like bryan adams, we got nothing.

    at least these days there's a bit of an indie renaissance going. no impact though beyond hipsters living in their parents basements.
  • reditalianreditalian Posts: 329
    exhausted wrote:
    nones of those stated 90s bands had any impact outside of canada on any sort of a appreciable scale.

    outside of pop packages that mr. flow quoted and crap like bryan adams, we got nothing.

    at least these days there's a bit of an indie renaissance going. no impact though beyond hipsters living in their parents basements.

    The Hip never made an impact? Just because they didn't to you doesn't mean they didn't at all. They have been around for 20 years selling out venues ALL over the world....jeeez man.
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    reditalian wrote:
    The Hip never made an impact? Just because they didn't to you doesn't mean they didn't at all. They have been around for 20 years selling out venues ALL over the world....jeeez man.

    i love the hip. have they played anything beyond a bar anywhere south of buffalo? shit, 90% of their fanbase here doesn't get them.

    the tea party were big in australia and that was it.

    define the scale we're looking for here. what defines an impact?
  • reditalianreditalian Posts: 329
    exhausted wrote:
    i love the hip. have they played anything beyond a bar anywhere south of buffalo? shit, 90% of their fanbase here doesn't get them.

    the tea party were big in australia and that was it.

    define the scale we're looking for here. what defines an impact?

    Listen buddy all I was trying do was start a discussion about good young Canadian bands compared to other generations. If you don't understand the thread I'm sorry. Having a shitty day?
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    and i will say that the music being produced by canadian bands is better today than in the 90s but won't have a shot at having an impact beyond these borders. not in a commercial sense anyway.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    reditalian wrote:
    When my Dad was young he had The Guess Who, Rush, Neil Young etc. and when I was younger I had The Hip, Our Lady Peace, Moist, The Tea Party etc. Does a band like Billy Talent have what it takes to grab the torch from these great bands or are we still waiting for someone.
    Don't forget Triumph!!!!!!! :)
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    this is a great book about 85-95.
    http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1550224751/ref=sr_11_1/702-1831878-4300047?ie=UTF8

    it went to hell after that for the rest of the 90s. with a few exceptions.
  • Todd76Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    reditalian wrote:
    Are there any new Canadian bands out today that are making a huge impact on music around the world?

    When my Dad was young he had The Guess Who, Rush, Neil Young etc. and when I was younger I had The Hip, Our Lady Peace, Moist, The Tea Party etc. Does a band like Billy Talent have what it takes to grab the torch from these great bands or are we still waiting for someone.

    Are there any Canadian bands making an impact on the music world....are you for real.....the Canadian music scene hasnt been this vibrant in YEARS. Bands like Moist, OLP, Billy Talent etc etc are what give the Canadian music scene a bad rep.

    Bands like Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire, Metric, the Dears, Stars, Sarah Harmer, the New Pornographers (I could go on and on and on....) are where its at...they may not make a huge commercial impact - BUT ask Bono, Coldplay, Elvis Costello or Bob Dylan who they are listening to and dont be surprised to hear Arcade Fire, Ron Sexsmith etc etc etc

    The Canadian music scene cant be beat, eh

    signed...your friendly neighbourhood indie scenester (although i dont live in my parents basement)
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  • improvgirl312improvgirl312 Posts: 40
    Hopefully, Billy Talent is not the future of Canadian music.

    In a perfect world, The New Pornographers would be.

    The Canadian indie scene is amazing, once you look past all the pop-punk wannabes. *Cough*Hedley*Cough*
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  • tonestones Posts: 104
    I guess you either love or hate Billy Talent. Personally, I love Billy Talent and at the same time I love the New Pornographers and the Arcade Fire. I think that Billy Talent will be big for Canadian music internationally. That being said, I also find it funny how we Canadians measure Canadian bands success by how well they do in the United States. I think the Hip have been a great success, even though they haven't sold well in the States.
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  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    reditalian wrote:
    Are there any new Canadian bands out today that are making a huge impact on music around the world?

    When my Dad was young he had The Guess Who, Rush, Neil Young etc. and when I was younger I had The Hip, Our Lady Peace, Moist, The Tea Party etc. Does a band like Billy Talent have what it takes to grab the torch from these great bands or are we still waiting for someone.
    Well she's not a band and I don't know how big she is outside of Canada but Chantal Kreviasuk has my vote!

    Talent, musical skill and intelligient!!!

    But those things don't always equal success, do they?
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    tones wrote:
    I guess you either love or hate Billy Talent. Personally, I love Billy Talent and at the same time I love the New Pornographers and the Arcade Fire. I think that Billy Talent will be big for Canadian music internationally. That being said, I also find it funny how we Canadians measure Canadian bands success by how well they do in the United States. I think the Hip have been a great success, even though they haven't sold well in the States.

    I view the Hip's "failure" to break out in the States as another indicator of their greatness, actually. Contrast them with the Canadian bands who have managed to do so ...
    :)
  • reditalianreditalian Posts: 329
    dharma69 wrote:
    Well she's not a band and I don't know how big she is outside of Canada but Chantal Kreviasuk has my vote!

    Talent, musical skill and intelligient!!!

    But those things don't always equal success, do they?

    Yeah for sure and she's married to a guy from a great Canadian band!!
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  • travis2000travis2000 Posts: 39
    tones wrote:
    That being said, I also find it funny how we Canadians measure Canadian bands success by how well they do in the United States. quote]

    I agree, however, that pretty much is the only true barometer we have to measure the commercial success of a band. Since they out number us 10 to 1, we need Canadian bands to sell big in the States so that we can continue to enjoy them. And if we measure that way, I think Nickelback can't be overlooked. Don't get me wrong, I HATE them, but in my opinion, they're the biggest thing to come out of Canada in a long time.
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I view the Hip's "failure" to break out in the States as another indicator of their greatness, actually. Contrast them with the Canadian bands who have managed to do so ...
    :)

    I couldn't agree more. When I'm outside of Canada, the Hip are like my own little amazing secret that nobody else knows about. It's not the Hip's fault that the Yanks never caught on to them. They played on SNL, opened for Page & Plant and the Rolling Stones, released one of the catchiest singles ever written (Ahead by a Century), and their albums have always received solid reviews from U.S. critics, but for some reason they've never caught on with the MTV crowd. It's a mystery, and a lot of Hip fans take it kind of personally, but from what I've read in interviews over the years, the band doesn't really give a shit, and I love that about them. The interesting thing is that even though they never became big stars, they still enjoy a very successful touring career in the U.S. Sure, they play a lot of smaller clubs and theatres, but they sell out everywhere they play. I've seen them quite a few times south of the border, and I've met plenty of American Hip fans who are just as hardcore as the Canadians, so it's not like people are completely oblivious to them. I met a crazy guy in Boston who had seen them close to 40 times, and he was also taking the summer off so he could follow them around the country.

    As for great young Canadian artists, I don't think any of these have been mentioned yet:

    The Weakerthans
    Cuff the Duke
    Sam Roberts Band
    The Constantines
    Kathleen Edwards
    Matt Mays & El Torpedo
    Joel Plaskett Emergency
    The Sadies
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

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  • attics26attics26 Posts: 47
    if you got some spare time give a listen to Colin James - dont think you will be disappointed.
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    Sylvie is a wicked good Canadian band, it's just a matter of time until they get the attention they deserve. Wintersleep rocks the house on a fairly conistent basis too.

    FOR THE RECORD:

    The new stuff like Arcade Fire is good but the Tragically Hip are still the best Canadian band around. They play rock music the way it is meant to be played and are among the greatest performers alive today and have skills to give Pearl Jam a run for their money.

    Todd76, those bands certainly DO NOT give Canadian music a bad name, Moist, Tea Party, Matthew Good and the Hip are excellent examples of great rock bands, they are just a different style of music than what you like, it's all a matter of tastes... except OLP, they do suck! :) I'm glad you are into the indie scene, I wish more people were like you, it's new and exciting and full of great energy but there is no need to shit on the rock bands.
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  • Todd76Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    MCG wrote:
    Todd76, those bands certainly DO NOT give Canadian music a bad name, Moist, Tea Party, Matthew Good and the Hip are excellent examples of great rock bands, they are just a different style of music than what you like, it's all a matter of tastes... except OLP, they do suck! :) I'm glad you are into the indie scene, I wish more people were like you, it's new and exciting and full of great energy but there is no need to shit on the rock bands.

    I see - OLP sucks, whats that saying about people in glass houses...in my opinion Matt Good, OLP, the Hip and especially Moist and the Tea Party SUCK....to each their own. I still enjoy the rock and roll - i'm on a Pearl Jam board after all.....it just has to be interesting/intense music that makes an emotional connection. All those bands I mentioned just bore the crap out of me....so i'm not shitting on rock in general - just boring rock
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  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    exhausted wrote:
    and i will say that the music being produced by canadian bands is better today than in the 90s but won't have a shot at having an impact beyond these borders. not in a commercial sense anyway.

    You never know, the tide seems to be turning these days towards a different sound. Good underground scenes can only stay underground for so long. The true innovators probably won't get recognized, but as in most cases, a commercially oriented bastardization of the original genre could hit it big. Green Day did it with Dookie, Metallica did it with the Black Album, I think it could happen.
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    Todd76 wrote:
    I see - OLP sucks, whats that saying about people in glass houses...in my opinion Matt Good, OLP, the Hip and especially Moist and the Tea Party SUCK....to each their own. I still enjoy the rock and roll - i'm on a Pearl Jam board after all.....it just has to be interesting/intense music that makes an emotional connection. All those bands I mentioned just bore the crap out of me....so i'm not shitting on rock in general - just boring rock

    I totally agree with you regarding OLP, Moist, the Tea Party, etc...but I don't think the Hip belong in that list. Compared to those bands, the Hip are in another stratosphere, and they easily give bands like Pearl Jam a run for their money. Now I'll admit I'm a little biased here because I'm a huge fan of the band, and I'll defend them until the day I die. But I think Gord Downie is by far one of the most unique and talented individuals in music, and the band as a whole are just as interesting and intense as any artist out there, especially on recent albums. As a live act they're in a league of their own. I saw them at the Sasquatch Festival this year, and they've still got it. With the exception of maybe Ben Harper, I thought the Hip blew everybody else off the stage. Every time I walk out of one of their shows, I'm convinced I've just seen the best live band on the planet, and it seems like they only get better with age. Comparing OLP to the Hip is like trying to compare Budweiser to a fine bottle of wine.

    Just my opinion of course. To each their own.
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

    -Tom Waits
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    direwolf74 wrote:
    I totally agree with you regarding OLP, Moist, the Tea Party, etc...but I don't think the Hip belong in that list. Compared to those bands, the Hip are in another stratosphere, and they easily give bands like Pearl Jam a run for their money. Now I'll admit I'm a little biased here because I'm a huge fan of the band, and I'll defend them until the day I die. But I think Gord Downie is by far one of the most unique and talented individuals in music, and the band as a whole are just as interesting and intense as any artist out there, especially on recent albums. As a live act they're in a league of their own. I saw them at the Sasquatch Festival this year, and they've still got it. With the exception of maybe Ben Harper, I thought the Hip blew everybody else off the stage. Every time I walk out of one of their shows, I'm convinced I've just seen the best live band on the planet, and it seems like they only get better with age. Comparing OLP to the Hip is like trying to compare Budweiser to a fine bottle of wine.

    Boo ya! Their live show is unmatched alright, sometimes I get the feeling they would play all night if they could. I'm very jealous of your Sasquatch experience!
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    MCG wrote:
    You never know, the tide seems to be turning these days towards a different sound. Good underground scenes can only stay underground for so long. The true innovators probably won't get recognized, but as in most cases, a commercially oriented bastardization of the original genre could hit it big. Green Day did it with Dookie, Metallica did it with the Black Album, I think it could happen.

    It's already starting to happen. Artists like the Arcade Fire, Feist, Broken Social Scene, and the New Pornographers are getting a lot of recognition outside of Canadian borders, especially in Europe and the U.S. This country is producing some of the most exciting, unique, and vibrant rock n' roll in the world right now, and music fans and critics the world over are salivating over it. Sorry America, but Canada is the place to be right now.
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

    -Tom Waits
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    direwolf74 wrote:
    Sorry America, but Canada is the place to be right now.

    The only things we need to apologize for are Nickelback and Simple Plan.
    Which came first,
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    MCG wrote:
    The only things we need to apologize for are Nickelback and Simple Plan.

    Don't forget Theory of a Nickelcreed, Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Default, and Three Days Grace. God, I feel sick to my stomach just typing those names. I think I just puked in my mouth a little bit.
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

    -Tom Waits
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    direwolf74 wrote:
    Don't forget Theory of a Nickelcreed, Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Default, and Three Days Grace. God, I feel sick to my stomach just typing those names. I think I just puked in my mouth a little bit.

    I would forget them if I could. It still fries my bacon that Three Days Grace are opening for both Rolling Stones shows I'm going to.
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    MCG wrote:
    I would forget them if I could. It still fries my bacon that Three Days Grace are opening for both Rolling Stones shows I'm going to.

    Yikes, that's horrendous. I'm sorry to hear that. Pardon my vulgarity, but who's cock did they suck to get that gig? In Halifax they get Sloan as the opening act, and the Regina shows get Three Days Grace?? That doesn't seem fair to me.
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

    -Tom Waits
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    direwolf74 wrote:
    Yikes, that's horrendous. I'm sorry to hear that. Pardon my vulgarity, but who's cock did they suck to get that gig? In Halifax they get Sloan as the opening act, and the Regina shows get Three Days Grace?? That doesn't seem fair to me.

    Me neither, especially when I saw the Halifax lineup. I'm super grateful they are comming though, I can always drop by the merch tables when Three Days Grace plays, hopefully they won't play long.

    However, they are still looking for someone to use the stage the Saturday in between the two Stones shows and I've heard rumours it could be the Hip! They are just rumours at this point mind you but it sure would be proper timing with the new album comming out a week later.
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  • Todd76Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    direwolf74 wrote:
    It's already starting to happen. Artists like the Arcade Fire, Feist, Broken Social Scene, and the New Pornographers are getting a lot of recognition outside of Canadian borders, especially in Europe and the U.S. This country is producing some of the most exciting, unique, and vibrant rock n' roll in the world right now, and music fans and critics the world over are salivating over it. Sorry America, but Canada is the place to be right now.


    My sentiments exactly....in fact if I didnt know better I would have thought I wrote this (although I would have included Wolf Parade, Stars, Sarah Harmer and the Dears).....brilliant!!!!!!!
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