Were the Smashing Pumpkins ever concidered grunge?

enharmonic

Jibiti wrote:

...and R.E.M.

R.E.M. were actually in a sub-genre of "bald rock" known as "bald and homosexual" rock...which is something like Live's "bald and look at me, I'm kinda spiritual" rock, just not as contrived.

They all aspire to the greatness that is William "The Shat" Shatner.