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Were the Smashing Pumpkins ever concidered grunge?

dan_vedderdan_vedder Posts: 213
edited December 2006 in Other Music
Anyone?

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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle Posts: 10,724
    dan_vedder wrote:
    Anyone?

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    I would say no. But some lumped them into that group when "Gish" 1st came out. I think it's because there was nothing else quite like it. My Bloody Valentine potentially was the closest thing to the pumpkins at that time.
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  • dan_vedderdan_vedder Posts: 213
    South of Seattle wrote:
    I would say no. But some lumped them into that group when "Gish" 1st came out. I think it's because there was nothing else quite like it. My Bloody Valentine potentially was the closest thing to the pumpkins at that time.

    Yea I always thought Gish was a bit grungey, I guess there later stuff is a little different.
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  • prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    I consider them grunge because I put all good bands from that time into the grunge category (except Green Day), and the Pumpkins were not simply "rock". Also seeing that grunge was a very loose term, I define it by appearance (flannel, etc.) and original vocals/guitar riffs. Location was coincidence for most bands of this genre ;)
  • Garre††Garre†† Posts: 10
    They were classed as grunge when they were first noticed in the media,especially live(very loud distortion and sometimes sloppy solos)...kind of like lookout nirvana the pumpkins are coming to get you... but they are and always will be ALTERNATE ROCK!
  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
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  • hendrix78hendrix78 Posts: 507
    Being on the Singles soundtrack with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and AIC probably got them lumped in with "grunge" as well. Personally, I don't think any of the bands labeled as grunge really fit the description. To me, it's all just hard rock. I would put the Pumpkins (and Pearl Jam for that matter) in the same category of music as Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, etc.
  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,645
    No. They were the definitive "Alternative" band.
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  • Peter CPeter C Posts: 237
    To me they were Alternative!!
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  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    They were actually part of the "bald rock" movement, along with Tool, Midnight Oil, and William Shatner.

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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    yeah i guess they were Alternative.. but i remember Nirvana being called Alternative along w/ grunge.. who knows. i remember that band Belly being alternative too... !!
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    Mushmouthmatt wrote:
    yeah i guess they were Alternative.. but i remember Nirvana being called Alternative along w/ grunge.. who knows. i remember that band Belly being alternative too... !!

    I think that grunge is pretty much a slang term for that "Seattle sound" of alternative rock, but it's not really a musical genre in and of itself. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AiC... all simply alternative if you ask me.
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  • edigerediger Posts: 308
    they weren't even close to grunge. Mudhoney was grunge, Smashing Pumpkins, not so much.
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  • darthvedder88darthvedder88 Posts: 1,023
    enharmonic wrote:
    They were actually part of the "bald rock" movement, along with Tool, Midnight Oil, and William Shatner.

    :p

    LOL!! That's the category for the Pumpkins!!! Well, From Mellon Collie and later anyways...
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  • JibitiJibiti Posts: 265
    enharmonic wrote:
    They were actually part of the "bald rock" movement, along with Tool, Midnight Oil, and William Shatner.

    :p

    ...and R.E.M. :D
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  • off_the_recordoff_the_record Posts: 843
    someone define grunge
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  • tonadaxtonadax Posts: 594
    their image was totally ´´grunge´´, but their music was very diverse, u can listen the slow alt/grunge melody of Today... the metallic riffs of Zero, the furious-hateful punk sound of bullet with butterfly wings.... and the sweet melody song Disarm... finally, i can´t stand at all corgan voice...
  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    hendrix78 wrote:
    Being on the Singles soundtrack with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and AIC probably got them lumped in with "grunge" as well. Personally, I don't think any of the bands labeled as grunge really fit the description. To me, it's all just hard rock. I would put the Pumpkins (and Pearl Jam for that matter) in the same category of music as Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, etc.
    ^^

    pumpkins closer to the cure and the industrial scene and pj closer to zeppelin.
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  • brainofPjBbrainofPjB Posts: 57
    I think part of their run had to be considered grunge if only because of their ridiculously good album "Siamese Dream"
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  • tonadaxtonadax Posts: 594
    Siamese Dream, their best album.....
  • bovy_jbovy_j Posts: 1,008
    To me, the Pumpkins were always an alternative band.
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Jibiti wrote:
    ...and R.E.M. :D

    R.E.M. were actually in a sub-genre of "bald rock" known as "bald and homosexual" rock...which is something like Live's "bald and look at me, I'm kinda spiritual" rock, just not as contrived.

    They all aspire to the greatness that is William "The Shat" Shatner.

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