I don't know anything about their other music so I don't know if they have any better material but listening to Throwing Copper was one of the more unpleasant musical experiences I've had. I really don't see what sets it apart from other mid-to-late 90s post-grunge rock music like Creed.
Better singer, better songs. What's more, Live have been a band for as long as say Pearl Jam, thus their sound was formed long before Creed and all the cash-in bands came about.
Better singer, better songs. What's more, Live have been a band for as long as say Pearl Jam, thus their sound was formed long before Creed and all the cash-in bands came about.
Oh I'm sure, I'm not saying they were cashing in, I'm just appraising the music I've heard as I heard it. It didn't really stand out to me. The guy's voice was obviously not taking the Scott Stapp "Vedder with lockjaw" route, it's more of a Michael Stipe kind of thing but it was kind of annoying and the lyrics seemed so try-hard and self-consciously serious. Lightning Crashes doesn't have anywhere near enough happening musically to sustain my interest long enough to appreciate what I'm sure was meant to be a powerful song, lyrically speaking.
I've just heard people talking about what a powerful and deep record it is and I was taken aback when I first heard it by how utterly bland it was, in my opinion of course. Are their earlier/later albums any different or is the band's sound just not for me, judging by my previous comments?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
they are more 'spirital' (is that the word?) than most of the 90's stuff. and i think the rem connection is a fair one. and musical it is very simple. during SS chad said in some interview that it was the first time he really had to play solos, it was something to that effect. try listening to throwing copper again, but not comparing it to pj or nirvana or any of those other 90's angst bands. his lyric style is very different than what was happening then, he didnt base his lyrics off his bad childhood of being from a broken family or drug addiction.
they are more 'spirital' (is that the word?) than most of the 90's stuff. and i think the rem connection is a fair one. and musical it is very simple. during SS chad said in some interview that it was the first time he really had to play solos, it was something to that effect. try listening to throwing copper again, but not comparing it to pj or nirvana or any of those other 90's angst bands. his lyric style is very different than what was happening then, he didnt base his lyrics off his bad childhood of being from a broken family or drug addiction.
I got from the lyrics that they were trying to be spiritual but it just came off sounding cheesy and self-conscious.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I don't know anything about their other music so I don't know if they have any better material but listening to Throwing Copper was one of the more unpleasant musical experiences I've had. I really don't see what sets it apart from other mid-to-late 90s post-grunge rock music like Creed.
When "Mental Jewelry" came out in the early 90's, Live was considered the next R.E.M. believe it or not. They were an up and coming INDIE band. The turn they took with "Throwing Copper" was pure coincidence.
Both albums, IMO, blow "Secret Samadhi" out of the water. I was very disappointed with the lyrical content of "Secret Samadhi." Some of the lines on that album are absolutely laugh out loud funny. That album marks the turning point for the band, and more specifically Ed's lyrical content. Unfortunately, they've only gotten worse since Samadhi, but I'm still holding a shred of hope they can return to their roots and deliver some good, thought provoking rocking music.
p.s. Not all of Samadhi is bad. "Ghost," "Heropsychodreamer" and "Gas Hed Goes West" are all really good songs.
Oh I'm sure, I'm not saying they were cashing in, I'm just appraising the music I've heard as I heard it. It didn't really stand out to me. The guy's voice was obviously not taking the Scott Stapp "Vedder with lockjaw" route, it's more of a Michael Stipe kind of thing but it was kind of annoying and the lyrics seemed so try-hard and self-consciously serious.
I'm surprised that lyrical content bothers you, given that you enjoy a band like Fall Out Boy . Sure, some of the lyrics are clumsy, but then he was only about 23 when he wrote them, and there is some decent stuff on there like White Discussion. I think The Dam At Otter Creek is an amazing way to open an album too.
Lightning Crashes doesn't have anywhere near enough happening musically to sustain my interest long enough to appreciate what I'm sure was meant to be a powerful song, lyrically speaking.
Hmm, I find that curious considering that you listen to stuff like God Speed You Black Emperor, whose songs often take longer than the entire running time of Lightning crashes before they build up to anything more than a couple of notes repeated over and over. Now don't get me wrong, I quite like some of their stuff, but they are a band who require patience, so I find it hard to understand how your interest wanes before it gets to the great big soaring finale of Lightning Crashes.
I've just heard people talking about what a powerful and deep record it is and I was taken aback when I first heard it by how utterly bland it was, in my opinion of course. Are their earlier/later albums any different or is the band's sound just not for me, judging by my previous comments?
See I can understand where you are coming from, Throwing Copper definitely sounds like a product of its time, but no more so than Ten does, and I certainly understand why you would throw them in with all the other post-grunge stuff. But, a bit like I've said to you before with regards to Radiohead's The Bends, you have to remember what the musical landscape was like at the time of its release. It's easy to compare it to all the post-grunge stuff that was released after it, because there have been 14 years worth of imitators and grunge clones since then. But at the time, Throwing Copper was just as original as anything else out there in the mainstream. I guess for me there is quite a lot of nostalgia attached to the record, so perhaps I tend to gloss over any flaws. That being said, I still think it has a shit load of really strong and memorable melodies.
I doubt there is anything much I can say or suggest that might make you like them, some of the stuff on Secret Samadhi is a bit darker, musically speaking, but some of the lyrics are just plain awful!
I understand the issues with the lyrics, but I too will overlook them for nostalgia's sake. They didn't start getting overtly cheesy until Secret Samahdi. The song on V (I think?) that Ed kind of raps about picking someone up "by their puppy scruff" was the more or less official turnoff for me. Seriously though, those of you on the fence give their first album "Mental Jewelry" a listen. It has introspection with very minor cheese and still kind of has that indie feel. And the guys were like 18 years old when they made the album, which makes it that much more impressive.
I'm surprised that lyrical content bothers you, given that you enjoy a band like Fall Out Boy . Sure, some of the lyrics are clumsy, but then he was only about 23 when he wrote them, and there is some decent stuff on there like White Discussion. I think The Dam At Otter Creek is an amazing way to open an album too.
Hmm, I find that curious considering that you listen to stuff like God Speed You Black Emperor, whose songs often take longer than the entire running time of Lightning crashes before they build up to anything more than a couple of notes repeated over and over. Now don't get me wrong, I quite like some of their stuff, but they are a band who require patience, so I find it hard to understand how your interest wanes before it gets to the great big soaring finale of Lightning Crashes.
See I can understand where you are coming from, Throwing Copper definitely sounds like a product of its time, but no more so than Ten does, and I certainly understand why you would throw them in with all the other post-grunge stuff. But, a bit like I've said to you before with regards to Radiohead's The Bends, you have to remember what the musical landscape was like at the time of its release. It's easy to compare it to all the post-grunge stuff that was released after it, because there have been 14 years worth of imitators and grunge clones since then. But at the time, Throwing Copper was just as original as anything else out there in the mainstream. I guess for me there is quite a lot of nostalgia attached to the record, so perhaps I tend to gloss over any flaws. That being said, I still think it has a shit load of really strong and memorable melodies.
I doubt there is anything much I can say or suggest that might make you like them, some of the stuff on Secret Samadhi is a bit darker, musically speaking, but some of the lyrics are just plain awful!
I dunno, the pathos in GY!BE never seems forced to me. A 25 minute track with minimal instrumentation can sustain my attention perfectly if it hits my buttons in the right way but a 4 minute one can fail miserably if it doesn't. Lightning Crashes is like that for me.
When you bring up the Fall Out Boy thing, you kind of miss the point I couldn't give a toss about lyrics if they aren't supposed to be good, there's nothing wrong with meaningless lyrics used to back up a catchy tune, but Live seem to put a great deal of emphasis on the lyrics and for me, they don't hold up. It seems like they're trying too hard to sound philosophical and "deep". A lyric like "pale blue colored iris, presents the circle
and puts the glory out to hide" just sounds like bad teenage poetry. I recognise it, I've written enough of it in the past and would feel embarrassed to put it out on a record I'd much rather a band was careless with their lyrics than tried too hard and just drew attention to how silly some of them are.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I dunno, the pathos in GY!BE never seems forced to me. A 25 minute track with minimal instrumentation can sustain my attention perfectly if it hits my buttons in the right way but a 4 minute one can fail miserably if it doesn't. Lightning Crashes is like that for me.
Well whether Lightning Crashes caters to your particular tastes is kind of irrelevant, it's an enduring song that has stood the test of time, which would indicate that it is a well crafted song, at least in the traditional sense. I don't quite understand your need to rationalise or intellectualise your response to the song, other than saying you just don't like it. You said there wasn't enough 'happening' to sustain your interest, indicating that you would require more in order to increase your interest - which seems quite contradictory of your appraisal of GYBE......
When you bring up the Fall Out Boy thing, you kind of miss the point I couldn't give a toss about lyrics if they aren't supposed to be good, there's nothing wrong with meaningless lyrics used to back up a catchy tune, but Live seem to put a great deal of emphasis on the lyrics and for me, they don't hold up. It seems like they're trying too hard to sound philosophical and "deep". A lyric like "pale blue colored iris, presents the circle
and puts the glory out to hide" just sounds like bad teenage poetry. I recognise it, I've written enough of it in the past and would feel embarrassed to put it out on a record I'd much rather a band was careless with their lyrics than tried too hard and just drew attention to how silly some of them are.
I don't think I missed the point at all - I'm sure Pete Wentz (I'm sure I remember reading that he wrote most of the songs?) takes his lyrics quite seriously, for the most part. Just becasue you or I might deem them to be meaningless doesn't mean that is how they were intended.
That line you quoted might seem like bad teenage poetry to you, but perhaps you might be misinterpreting it? Who knows? I actually find the chorus of the song to be pretty powerful. Its lyrics are simple, but I can totally identify with the emotion being conveyed. To me the song always dealt with the harsh reality of life, in that, as one life ends another begins - which I think can be a hard thing to deal with when the life ending is that of a loved one, and the new life is that of a stranger you will probably never know.
Well whether Lightning Crashes caters to your particular tastes is kind of irrelevant, it's an enduring song that has stood the test of time, which would indicate that it is a well crafted song, at least in the traditional sense. I don't quite understand your need to rationalise or intellectualise your response to the song, other than saying you just don't like it. You said there wasn't enough 'happening' to sustain your interest, indicating that you would require more in order to increase your interest - which seems quite contradictory of your appraisal of GYBE......
Well in terms of what is supposed to be the hook of the song, in Lightning Crashes, I'm assuming it's the vocal melody and lyrics. The chordal backing is fairly bland, repetative and uninteresting in my opinion. Now the same COULD be said of a particularly extended and minimalistic section of a GY!BE track but that part would inevitably be the focus of the track, not lyrics or a vocal melody, being instrumental and all, and it's likely that, whether misguided or not, an extended, minimalistic section of a GY!BE track was supposed to be that way. For ME, the musical aspect of Throwing Copper, and that song in particular, was lacking, although I'm sure for some it does the job just fine, and I had to look to the lyrics for something that might appeal to me, and when I went there I couldn't understand for the life of me why it is considered by some to be a classic 90s rock song.
I'm not so much trying to rationalise of intellectualise my response to the song as find out why others feel differently. I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand how anyone WOULD like it. There are bands and songs that I don't enjoy that I can appreciate objectively but Live don't seem to be one of them
I don't think I missed the point at all - I'm sure Pete Wentz (I'm sure I remember reading that he wrote most of the songs?) takes his lyrics quite seriously, for the most part. Just becasue you or I might deem them to be meaningless doesn't mean that is how they were intended.
That line you quoted might seem like bad teenage poetry to you, but perhaps you might be misinterpreting it? Who knows? I actually find the chorus of the song to be pretty powerful. Its lyrics are simple, but I can totally identify with the emotion being conveyed. To me the song always dealt with the harsh reality of life, in that, as one life ends another begins - which I think can be a hard thing to deal with when the life ending is that of a loved one, and the new life is that of a stranger you will probably never know.
I can honestly say I doubt a single FOB lyric has ever been written without tongue planted firmly in cheek, often irritatingly so, but I guess that's just opinion
It's not that I'm misinterpreting that lyric, I'm in favour of lyrical ambiguity so even if I didn't understand it, it doesn't mean I couldn't appreciate it. Maybe too much studying of poetry is making me analyse too deeply but the construction is clunky and the metaphor is cryptic for the sake of it. THAT'S what I find grates a bit. I can handle "deep" lyrics and I can handle meaningless lyrics but I'm not big on those that make out to be deep when they aren't. It seems to me that maybe Live's quest to highlight some kind of spiritual significance in their lyrics would be better served by not trying so hard and going with honest simplicity. Whether I dislike them or not, they seem like a pretty genuine, earnest, heart-on-sleeve band and I think most of my problem with the lyrical content of Throwing Copper lay with feeling slightly patronised. Not to Bono levels but at times, not far off
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
It's not that I'm misinterpreting that lyric, I'm in favour of lyrical ambiguity so even if I didn't understand it, it doesn't mean I couldn't appreciate it. Maybe too much studying of poetry is making me analyse too deeply but the construction is clunky and the metaphor is cryptic for the sake of it. THAT'S what I find grates a bit.
I don't think the metaphor is particularly cryptic at all, considering he talk about the angel opening her eyes a number of times in the song - the angel is the baby, or new life, thus the "pale blue colored iris presents the circle, puts the glory out to hide" is him saying that seeing this baby's eyes kind of hammers home the whole circle of life idea.
I can handle "deep" lyrics and I can handle meaningless lyrics but I'm not big on those that make out to be deep when they aren't. It seems to me that maybe Live's quest to highlight some kind of spiritual significance in their lyrics would be better served by not trying so hard and going with honest simplicity. Whether I dislike them or not, they seem like a pretty genuine, earnest, heart-on-sleeve band and I think most of my problem with the lyrical content of Throwing Copper lay with feeling slightly patronised. Not to Bono levels but at times, not far off
I don't actually think the song is supposed to be spiritual at all, you might get that from the word angel, but I think he's just trying to highlight the innocence and perfection of a baby. Do you even know what the song is about? In Ed Kowalczyk's own words:
From Spin Magazine: (Ed Kowalczyk) He smiles, exhales, and begins. "I wrote 'Lightning Crashes' on an acoustic guitar in my brother's bedroom shortly before I had moved out of my parents' house and gotten my first place of my own." Kowalczyk says that the video for "Lightning Crashes" lends itself to many misinterpretations of the song's intent. "While the clip is shot in a home environment, I envisioned it taking place in a hospital, where all these simultaneous deaths and births are going on, one family mourning the loss of a woman while a screaming baby emerges from a young mother in another room. Nobody's dying in the act of childbirth, as some viewers think. What you're seeing is actually a happy ending based on a kind of transference of life. The dedication to Barbara Lewis came after the song was written. But it was something that we hoped would honor the memory of a girl we grew up with and help her family cope with sorrow -- which it seems to have accomplished -- in a fashion in keeping with the theme of the song."
It's funny, because I think you could make the judegments you are making of any number of other Live songs, but I just don't think they fit Lightning Crashes.
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I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
Throwing Copper was one of my favorite albums for a long, long time. Don't listen to it much anymore. TC was the first album I bought by Live. Then I bought the follow-up album, but can't remember the name of it now. The song "Dolphin Cries" was on it. At least I think that was the name of it.
We saw them at the Fox Theatre in St. Louis once. It was an awesome concert.
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
Throwing Copper was one of my favorite albums for a long, long time. Don't listen to it much anymore. TC was the first album I bought by Live. Then I bought the follow-up album, but can't remember the name of it now. The song "Dolphin Cries" was on it. At least I think that was the name of it.
We saw them at the Fox Theatre in St. Louis once. It was an awesome concert.
The Dolphin's Cry is from The Distance To Here which came out after Secret Samadhi (the album after Throwing Copper). I actually quite like The Distance To Here - some pretty solid stuff on there.
The Dolphin's Cry is from The Distance To Here which came out after Secret Samadhi (the album after Throwing Copper). I actually quite like The Distance To Here - some pretty solid stuff on there.
Thanks for the clarification. I am at work and my CD's are at home. Also, I lost all my music on my hard drives (external) a few months ago - both of them! I plugged them into a new Belkin hub and pop! Something went wrong - terribly wrong, now I can't get to anything on those external hard drives!
Anyway, I did like the Distance to Here but I never listened to it like I did Throwing Copper.
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
Thanks for the clarification. I am at work and my CD's are at home. Also, I lost all my music on my hard drives (external) a few months ago - both of them! I plugged them into a new Belkin hub and pop! Something went wrong - terribly wrong, now I can't get to anything on those external hard drives!
Anyway, I did like the Distance to Here but I never listened to it like I did Throwing Copper.
Ah man does that suck! Damn computers!
Yeah I kind of moved on a bit from Live by the time TDTH came out so didn't listen to it quite as much as I did Throwing Copper which I played endlessly for pretty much a whole year!
I think the thing that drew me in to Throwing Copper was more the vibe of the music, I love albums where all the songs fit together perfectly, and I think Throwing Copper does that amazingly well.
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Better singer, better songs. What's more, Live have been a band for as long as say Pearl Jam, thus their sound was formed long before Creed and all the cash-in bands came about.
I've just heard people talking about what a powerful and deep record it is and I was taken aback when I first heard it by how utterly bland it was, in my opinion of course. Are their earlier/later albums any different or is the band's sound just not for me, judging by my previous comments?
When "Mental Jewelry" came out in the early 90's, Live was considered the next R.E.M. believe it or not. They were an up and coming INDIE band. The turn they took with "Throwing Copper" was pure coincidence.
Both albums, IMO, blow "Secret Samadhi" out of the water. I was very disappointed with the lyrical content of "Secret Samadhi." Some of the lines on that album are absolutely laugh out loud funny. That album marks the turning point for the band, and more specifically Ed's lyrical content. Unfortunately, they've only gotten worse since Samadhi, but I'm still holding a shred of hope they can return to their roots and deliver some good, thought provoking rocking music.
p.s. Not all of Samadhi is bad. "Ghost," "Heropsychodreamer" and "Gas Hed Goes West" are all really good songs.
I'm surprised that lyrical content bothers you, given that you enjoy a band like Fall Out Boy
Hmm, I find that curious considering that you listen to stuff like God Speed You Black Emperor, whose songs often take longer than the entire running time of Lightning crashes before they build up to anything more than a couple of notes repeated over and over. Now don't get me wrong, I quite like some of their stuff, but they are a band who require patience, so I find it hard to understand how your interest wanes before it gets to the great big soaring finale of Lightning Crashes.
See I can understand where you are coming from, Throwing Copper definitely sounds like a product of its time, but no more so than Ten does, and I certainly understand why you would throw them in with all the other post-grunge stuff. But, a bit like I've said to you before with regards to Radiohead's The Bends, you have to remember what the musical landscape was like at the time of its release. It's easy to compare it to all the post-grunge stuff that was released after it, because there have been 14 years worth of imitators and grunge clones since then. But at the time, Throwing Copper was just as original as anything else out there in the mainstream. I guess for me there is quite a lot of nostalgia attached to the record, so perhaps I tend to gloss over any flaws. That being said, I still think it has a shit load of really strong and memorable melodies.
I doubt there is anything much I can say or suggest that might make you like them, some of the stuff on Secret Samadhi is a bit darker, musically speaking, but some of the lyrics are just plain awful!
When you bring up the Fall Out Boy thing, you kind of miss the point
and puts the glory out to hide" just sounds like bad teenage poetry. I recognise it, I've written enough of it in the past and would feel embarrassed to put it out on a record
Well whether Lightning Crashes caters to your particular tastes is kind of irrelevant, it's an enduring song that has stood the test of time, which would indicate that it is a well crafted song, at least in the traditional sense. I don't quite understand your need to rationalise or intellectualise your response to the song, other than saying you just don't like it. You said there wasn't enough 'happening' to sustain your interest, indicating that you would require more in order to increase your interest - which seems quite contradictory of your appraisal of GYBE......
I don't think I missed the point at all - I'm sure Pete Wentz (I'm sure I remember reading that he wrote most of the songs?) takes his lyrics quite seriously, for the most part. Just becasue you or I might deem them to be meaningless doesn't mean that is how they were intended.
That line you quoted might seem like bad teenage poetry to you, but perhaps you might be misinterpreting it? Who knows? I actually find the chorus of the song to be pretty powerful. Its lyrics are simple, but I can totally identify with the emotion being conveyed. To me the song always dealt with the harsh reality of life, in that, as one life ends another begins - which I think can be a hard thing to deal with when the life ending is that of a loved one, and the new life is that of a stranger you will probably never know.
I'm not so much trying to rationalise of intellectualise my response to the song as find out why others feel differently. I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand how anyone WOULD like it. There are bands and songs that I don't enjoy that I can appreciate objectively but Live don't seem to be one of them
I can honestly say I doubt a single FOB lyric has ever been written without tongue planted firmly in cheek, often irritatingly so, but I guess that's just opinion
It's not that I'm misinterpreting that lyric, I'm in favour of lyrical ambiguity so even if I didn't understand it, it doesn't mean I couldn't appreciate it. Maybe too much studying of poetry is making me analyse too deeply but the construction is clunky and the metaphor is cryptic for the sake of it. THAT'S what I find grates a bit. I can handle "deep" lyrics and I can handle meaningless lyrics but I'm not big on those that make out to be deep when they aren't. It seems to me that maybe Live's quest to highlight some kind of spiritual significance in their lyrics would be better served by not trying so hard and going with honest simplicity. Whether I dislike them or not, they seem like a pretty genuine, earnest, heart-on-sleeve band and I think most of my problem with the lyrical content of Throwing Copper lay with feeling slightly patronised. Not to Bono levels but at times, not far off
Well I think we got to the crux of the matter then!
I don't think the metaphor is particularly cryptic at all, considering he talk about the angel opening her eyes a number of times in the song - the angel is the baby, or new life, thus the "pale blue colored iris presents the circle, puts the glory out to hide" is him saying that seeing this baby's eyes kind of hammers home the whole circle of life idea.
I don't actually think the song is supposed to be spiritual at all, you might get that from the word angel, but I think he's just trying to highlight the innocence and perfection of a baby. Do you even know what the song is about? In Ed Kowalczyk's own words:
From Spin Magazine: (Ed Kowalczyk) He smiles, exhales, and begins. "I wrote 'Lightning Crashes' on an acoustic guitar in my brother's bedroom shortly before I had moved out of my parents' house and gotten my first place of my own." Kowalczyk says that the video for "Lightning Crashes" lends itself to many misinterpretations of the song's intent. "While the clip is shot in a home environment, I envisioned it taking place in a hospital, where all these simultaneous deaths and births are going on, one family mourning the loss of a woman while a screaming baby emerges from a young mother in another room. Nobody's dying in the act of childbirth, as some viewers think. What you're seeing is actually a happy ending based on a kind of transference of life. The dedication to Barbara Lewis came after the song was written. But it was something that we hoped would honor the memory of a girl we grew up with and help her family cope with sorrow -- which it seems to have accomplished -- in a fashion in keeping with the theme of the song."
It's funny, because I think you could make the judegments you are making of any number of other Live songs, but I just don't think they fit Lightning Crashes.
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I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
We saw them at the Fox Theatre in St. Louis once. It was an awesome concert.
The Dolphin's Cry is from The Distance To Here which came out after Secret Samadhi (the album after Throwing Copper). I actually quite like The Distance To Here - some pretty solid stuff on there.
Thanks for the clarification. I am at work and my CD's are at home. Also, I lost all my music on my hard drives (external) a few months ago - both of them! I plugged them into a new Belkin hub and pop! Something went wrong - terribly wrong, now I can't get to anything on those external hard drives!
Anyway, I did like the Distance to Here but I never listened to it like I did Throwing Copper.
Ah man does that suck! Damn computers!
Yeah I kind of moved on a bit from Live by the time TDTH came out so didn't listen to it quite as much as I did Throwing Copper which I played endlessly for pretty much a whole year!
I think the thing that drew me in to Throwing Copper was more the vibe of the music, I love albums where all the songs fit together perfectly, and I think Throwing Copper does that amazingly well.