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**The OFFICIAL Live Mental Jewelry/Throwing Copper appreciation thread**

F5F5 Posts: 791
edited August 2008 in Other Music
I haven't seen this band talked about much on here. In my opinion these two albums are some of the best work Live has done. I'd rank them in my 90's top 10. They are both great albums start to finish. I'd have to say I enjoy listening to Mental Jewelry more probably just because the songs have received less radio play. Some of my favorites are:
The Dam at Otter Creek
Water Song
Selling The Drama
Stage
Pain Lies On The Riverside
Take Me Anthem
Good Pain
Iris
Bridge - 10/25/03
Mansfield I - 6/28/08
Eddie NYC - 8/4/08
Seattle - 9/21/09, 9/22/09
Salt Lake City 9/28/09
LA 9/30/09, 10/07/09
San Diego 10/9/09
Alpine Valley 9/03/11, 9/04/11
Ashbury Park 9/18/21
LA 5/06/21, 5/07/21
Phoenix 05/09/22
NYC 9/11/22
Denver 9/22/22
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    I'm not really a fan of Mental Jewelry, but Throwing Copper is one of my favourite albums ever - I love the song Iris.
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    Those albums are great, but I prefer Secret Samahdi to both.
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • Stone IronsStone Irons Posts: 430
    NewDamage wrote:
    Those albums are great, but I prefer Secret Samahdi to both.

    me too
    Can't escape from the common rule...
    If you hate something, don't you do it too
  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    NewDamage wrote:
    Those albums are great, but I prefer Secret Samahdi to both.


    hell yes.
    Van '98, Sea I+II '00, Sea '01, Sea II '02, Van '03, Gorge, Van, Cal, Edm '05, Bos I+II, Phi I+II, DC, SF II+III, Port, Gorge I+II '06, DC, NY I+II '08, Sea I+II, Van, Ridge , LA III+IV' 09, Indy '10, Cal, Van '11, Lond, Van, Sea '13, Memphis '14, RRHOF '17, Sea I+II '18, Van I+II, Vegas I+II '24
  • F5F5 Posts: 791
    NewDamage wrote:
    Those albums are great, but I prefer Secret Samahdi to both.
    Can't say I've heard it. I'll have to pick it up.
    Bridge - 10/25/03
    Mansfield I - 6/28/08
    Eddie NYC - 8/4/08
    Seattle - 9/21/09, 9/22/09
    Salt Lake City 9/28/09
    LA 9/30/09, 10/07/09
    San Diego 10/9/09
    Alpine Valley 9/03/11, 9/04/11
    Ashbury Park 9/18/21
    LA 5/06/21, 5/07/21
    Phoenix 05/09/22
    NYC 9/11/22
    Denver 9/22/22
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    Can't say I've heard it. I'll have to pick it up.

    Its quite darker I guess you could say...little rough and might take you a few listens. But I consider it their crowning moment. Its the one album of theirs I still play a lot
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • F5F5 Posts: 791
    Are there any other standout albums? The only other one I have is "The distance to here" and its not bad.
    Bridge - 10/25/03
    Mansfield I - 6/28/08
    Eddie NYC - 8/4/08
    Seattle - 9/21/09, 9/22/09
    Salt Lake City 9/28/09
    LA 9/30/09, 10/07/09
    San Diego 10/9/09
    Alpine Valley 9/03/11, 9/04/11
    Ashbury Park 9/18/21
    LA 5/06/21, 5/07/21
    Phoenix 05/09/22
    NYC 9/11/22
    Denver 9/22/22
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,638
    They catch a lot of shit on this board. I love Live. IMHO, "V" is good, too.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    Are there any other standout albums? The only other one I have is "The distance to here" and its not bad.

    That one is decent. I remember the first two tracks being really good but then it lost my interest. Someone mentioned "V", and it has its moments but again boring for me overall. I remember buying "Birds of Pray" and listening to it once and shelving it. I think they've done one other one since then and I didn't even bother with that.

    I'm telling ya...Secret Samadhi :) I think once you get into it it'll become your favorite Live record
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    Can't say I've heard it. I'll have to pick it up.

    Lakini's Juice alone is worth the money. It's a fucking great album.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U7B0DoyEGhY
  • F5F5 Posts: 791
    Apart from that weird video the song is pretty good!
    Bridge - 10/25/03
    Mansfield I - 6/28/08
    Eddie NYC - 8/4/08
    Seattle - 9/21/09, 9/22/09
    Salt Lake City 9/28/09
    LA 9/30/09, 10/07/09
    San Diego 10/9/09
    Alpine Valley 9/03/11, 9/04/11
    Ashbury Park 9/18/21
    LA 5/06/21, 5/07/21
    Phoenix 05/09/22
    NYC 9/11/22
    Denver 9/22/22
  • Mike_Muse_RageMike_Muse_Rage Posts: 677
    I just bought Awake - The Best Of Live. Some cool tunes but I prefer the earlier stuff. Lakini's Juice is a brilliant song.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,638
    NewDamage wrote:
    Someone mentioned "V", and it has its moments

    like this: "they're pissin' in the mainstream, open up your cage, focus all your rage, the world needs people like you! people like you! people like you! motherfuckers like you! people like you!" :D
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • alpittalpitt Posts: 91
    Ah, Live. This was my favorite band in early high school until PJ slowly emerged. Secret Samhadi is their best album, though is ultimately forgotten in the way many post-defining albums are. Pretty dark and rockin' and like someone said it may take awhile to hit you (like many great albums). The Distance to Here is solid (anyone else really love the song Meltdown?) but then came the demise. V was...interesting, and good in parts but as a whole didn't do it for me. Then they just started to get less musically creative/more pussy AC radio shit. Now their newer stuff is somewhat embarrassing and at times cringe-worthy It's all very upsetting. I blame Ed K's ego.
    "I'm an ideas man Michael, I think I proved that with F*ck Mountain" -GOB
  • melodyman22melodyman22 Posts: 326
    Live is great. Ed has a great voice. He's a great songwrite. I enjoy all there albums.
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    Still one of my favorite bands - I agree that Mental Jewelry/TC/Secret Samadhi stand toe-to-toe with any and all other early- to mid-90s albums.

    The Distance to Here is a very, very solid album...

    V, to me, is their low point.

    Birds of Pray has some great songs "Like I do" "River Town" "Lighthouse"... the rest is largely forgettable...

    Their most recent album, Songs From Black Mountain, again has some strong tracks "Sofia" and "Night of Nights" which is one of LIVE's best tracks...

    The rest of that album is kind of "eh..."

    I still hold out hope that they can return to form and put out a great album that reminds us of how good they are...
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    NakedClown wrote:
    Their most recent album, Songs From Black Mountain, again has some strong tracks "Sofia" and "Night of Nights" which is one of LIVE's best tracks...

    I haven't heard a thing off of it. I was so disappointed in "Birds of Pray" that I didn't even give it a chance.

    For someone who loves Mental Jewelry-Secret Samadhi, but is only lukewarm to "Distance To Here", do you think this one is worth getting?

    This thread has renewed my interest in Live. Haven't listened to them for a long time but I've got "Throwing Copper" playing right now
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    I was reading Live's bio and apparently they did an album before "Mental Jewelry." The band was then known as Public Affection. Here's the review of that album:

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ua9fs34qa3mg
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    NewDamage wrote:
    I haven't heard a thing off of it. I was so disappointed in "Birds of Pray" that I didn't even give it a chance.

    For someone who loves Mental Jewelry-Secret Samadhi, but is only lukewarm to "Distance To Here", do you think this one is worth getting?

    This thread has renewed my interest in Live. Haven't listened to them for a long time but I've got "Throwing Copper" playing right now

    I wouldn't get the whole album... but you could download those tracks and be happy...
  • alpittalpitt Posts: 91
    Public Affection's 'Death of a Dictionary' is actually not bad, not bad at all. It's got that mid-late 80's feel to it which gives it some charm.
    "I'm an ideas man Michael, I think I proved that with F*ck Mountain" -GOB
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    alpitt wrote:
    Public Affection's 'Death of a Dictionary' is actually not bad, not bad at all. It's got that mid-late 80's feel to it which gives it some charm.

    Has it been released on cd?
    I am lost, I'm no guide. But I'm by your side...

    8/25/92, 10/4/96, 10/5/96, 9/1/98, 9/4/98, 8/4/00, 8/6/00, 4/15/03, 4/16/03, 10/6/04, 6/16/08
  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    the last couple of albums have been so terrible they really put me off listening to live all together, but i should go back & listen to those earlier albums because there's some classic stuff spread out over all of them.
    Look Alive,
    See These Bones
  • suns rivalsuns rival Posts: 15,926
    throwing copper = one of the most underrated & underappreciated albums around.

    great album.
    scratching my butt...
    kinakamot ang aking puwit...
    me rascando pompis...
    krap mijn reet...
    boku no ketsuoana o kizu...
    bahrosh teezy...
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Throwing Copper and Secret Sadamdhi are solid records. I still listen to them onch in awhile. I dont have Mental Jewelry though, will grab it for a listen. ;)
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Yes! Two of my favorite rock albums from the 90's. Secret Samahdi was good. After that, not so much. I've seen them play live 3x though and were great every time.
  • alpittalpitt Posts: 91
    Death of a Dictionary was only released on casette and is pretty rare to find, but there are boots of it on the web. I've got a burnt cd of it somewhere, if I can find it I'll share if people are interested.

    Live also has some really solid b-sides. 'Vine Street' rocks.
    "I'm an ideas man Michael, I think I proved that with F*ck Mountain" -GOB
  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,019
    SS was the first album that i ever blew me away. it will always be something special to me, oh the freakin memories with that one.

    but then i found pj and i had a new favorite band! tdth wasnt bad but after that, i lost interest and fast.

    but their first 3 (and even doad) where great, great albums. i also have had a hard time listening to them lately cause of their recent stuff. i havent even listened to SS in so long.
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  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    My parents were big Live fans. I remember hearing Throwing Copper and Secret Samadhi alot. those were their best 2 albums. IMO I thought V was complete garbage. Distance to here and birds of prey just take some getting used to. thyre good albums.
    5/28/06, 6/27/08, 10/28/09, 5/18/10, 5/21/10
    8/7/08, 6/9/09
  • zircona1zircona1 Posts: 293
    I loved Live in high school, loved Throwing Copper and saw them when they toured in the summer of '95 (with PJ Harvey and Veruca Salt!). After that, I saw them two more times on 2 separate tours and bought Secret Samadhi, The Distance to Here, and V.

    These days, my appreciation for them has waned. I still have Throwing Copper (and I still like it, for the most part), but I've gotten rid of the other albums (I did burn the tracks I liked onto a CD). Listening to Secret Samadhi again, I hate some of the lyrics: "Angel, don't you have some bagels in my oven?" "Everybody's here, this puke stinks like beer".
    "As long as the music's loud enough, we won't hear the world falling apart."—Jubilee

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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I don't know anything about their other music so I don't know if they have any better material but listening to Throwing Copper was one of the more unpleasant musical experiences I've had. I really don't see what sets it apart from other mid-to-late 90s post-grunge rock music like Creed.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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