Anyone else not care about the new AIC?

musicismylife78

I think most of us here would say the old AIC played a formative role in our childhoods.

But I couldnt care less about the new incarnation of AIC.

I wish Jerry would stick to making solo records. I remember listening to Degredation Trip for the first time and it making me physically ill and sick, it was a pretty powerful record, so much emotion.

Without layne the band isnt good. it will always be subpar. Kind of like the whole zep thing. How can they be a band without Bonham?

RockKing

radiohead33 wrote:

I think most of us here would say the old AIC played a formative role in our childhoods.

But I couldnt care less about the new incarnation of AIC.

I wish Jerry would stick to making solo records. I remember listening to Degredation Trip for the first time and it making me physically ill and sick, it was a pretty powerful record, so much emotion.

Without layne the band isnt good. it will always be subpar. Kind of like the whole zep thing. How can they be a band without Bonham?

In my opinion, it's dumb to compare them to the band with Layne. It's just different now. Of course it's not going to be the same as it was with Layne....nobody is saying it isn't. Different doesn't HAVE to be bad, though. I saw them live with William singing, and it was a great show. The band sounded amazing, William sounded spot on, and most importantly, all the guys in the band were smiling and having a great time playing these amazing songs they wrote together.

Bottom line for me is, it's their songs and their music....if they want to keep playing it, who are WE to tell THEM that it's not ok? This incarnation of AIC may not be one of my favorite bands, like the original AIC was, but I'll still be keeping an eye on them and I'll certainly at least withhold judgment on the new AIC songs until I actually, you know, hear the songs.

facepollution

I dunno, I saw the new incarnation of AIC and they were fucking awesome. I guess good music is just that, good music. It doesn't matter to me how it's labelled, because when you strip away the politics you are left with the sounds that enter your ears, and you either dig them or you don't.

Yellow Ledbelly

Not in the least....that doesn't mean I don't think it will be worth listening to at all, but it ain't AIC without Layne

reversedarwinism

radiohead33 wrote:

I think most of us here would say the old AIC played a formative role in our childhoods.

But I couldnt care less about the new incarnation of AIC.

I wish Jerry would stick to making solo records. I remember listening to Degredation Trip for the first time and it making me physically ill and sick, it was a pretty powerful record, so much emotion.

Without layne the band isnt good. it will always be subpar. Kind of like the whole zep thing. How can they be a band without Bonham?

Zep is amazing with no Bonham. I love his drumming, but they still rock without him. Saw Page/ Plant in 98' - the best concert experience of my life, they were so fucking good.

Anyway, if they can put out a good album or just keep touring the old stuff, I have no problem. Layne kinda robbed the rest of the guys for many years by not doing anything. He's gone and, IMO, they deserve to try to do Alice without him. May be it will be something good, idk. The name gives them recognition and thats good for them.

Oh, I like DT too, but it needed a producer really bad.

StuffnJunk

i think a better question is - "does anyone CARE about the new AIC?"

Joe2TheRevenge

StuffnJunk wrote:

i think a better question is - "does anyone CARE about the new AIC?"

i do.

The music is still just as powerful. and William Duval is an amazing vocalist.

anyone who wants to complain about Layne not being there....just go reanimate his dead corpse and convince him to walk onstage. Easy fix right?

Yellow Ledbelly

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

i do.

The music is still just as powerful. and William Duval is an amazing vocalist.

anyone who wants to complain about Layne not being there....just go reanimate his dead corpse and convince him to walk onstage. Easy fix right?

My only gripe with it is that it is not AIC without me (<<< Holy crap read that. I should have said Layne of course). It isn't. Go make great music but it just feels to me like continuing with same name without him dirties what the band did....maybe I take it a tad too seriously but I feel the same about Blind Melon and I wasn't much of a fan of their stuff with Hoon

Anon

i don't care but i'll wait until i hear something to totally write them off.

Doodah972

i can't wait for the new AIC. Saw them with DuVall and they sounded excellent. Although its not gonna be the same as before, i am still expecting a solid record.

The Vacant

I've enjoyed tunes Cantrell wrote with Inez and Kinney in the past. I've enjoyed both of Cantrell's solo albums. I've enjoyed the songs Cantrell road tested back in '04 (and hope some of them surface soon). I've enjoyed DuVall since he started playing with Jerry back in '02, or was it earlier? At any rate, why would I not enjoy a new album from these guys? Layne's not there, but Layne wasn't on Bogy Depot or Degredation Trip. Those albums kicked ass none the less. The whole calling it AIC is just semantics. BFD. If the music is good, then the music is good and that's all that matters.

I really don't understand how Radiohead 33 can say Degredation Trip was so great, Cantrell should keep making albums, but then he has no interest hearing Cantrell record an album with DuVall, who he was playing with before Degredation Trip was released, and the best rhythm section he's ever had.

If it bothers you to think of it as "AIC", then think of it as what it really is, Cantrell's third post-AIC album. At least this one will actually reach a larger audience and not get him dropped from his label mid-tour, because more people recognize AIC than Jerry Cantrell. My only wish is that the band would incorporate some Boggy Depot and Degredation Trip material into the sets on future tours. Those tunes are too good to be kept on a shelf.

Mike_Muse_Rage

I can't wait for it. Any new music from Cantrell gets me excited, no matter who he's with.

joint in a tree

Unfortunately i never got to see the real AIC live, so i had to settle for seeing the "new version". They kicked ass. i got to see them 2x in small venues, and it was exciting to be rocking out to classic AIC and look up and see Jerry and Co. up there. It was like seeing a really good cover band.

I also got to see them at the Decades Live thing in AC, and the best part was when Phil Anselmo came out and sang "Would?".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygKHgboZVw
haha, i just watched it again....that's my friend Drew at 3:53, yelling "jerry, jerry".

I wouldn't see them again unless it was really cheap and in another small venue.
I wonder if they are going to record anything new, or if this DuVall guy is just gonna keep touring and singing songs he has nothing to do with.

They shouldn't be called AIC.

LONGRD

Honestly, I wish they'd change their name to something else. I cannot associate AIC without Layne in the group. :(

I will still give the new album a listen though.

The Good & Bad Cop

I love Jerry solo albums, Degradation trip has some very underrated songs on it, like Psychotic break, what an amazing song, i understand he wants play the AIC songs live again, but i don't really care for an AIC without Layne.

Cropduster84

AIC have been and gone......its just a name now.....

Pearl Jam wouldn't be Pearl Jam without Ed.....

Queen aren't Queen without Freddie.....

Guns N Roses aren't Guns N Roses without the band that actually played that music.....

Being in a band needs the right people sometimes, not just copyright ownership of a name......

New AIC saddnes me.....


Its all bullshit.....

Igottago

There's something about trying to re-vive old glory that is kind of cheesey. I don't really have anything against them doing it, but I think the only people who will be really intersted are people who are a bit older and stuck in the days of grunge. I love AIC and I have very little interest in this. To me, the band will never touch what was done before, and that's not just because of Layne..its also because that music was of a time and place.

The original era has passed, Layne is no longer here, the band hasn't been around in years, its time to let it go. By all means, keep making music, do new things, but trying to re-establish something that was pretty much iconic will never happen. They really should change band names but whatever, its probably tough to start over, its easier to sell tickets with a name like Alice in Chains on the bill.

not for me?

When i saw AIC this year, they were amazing. They made the show. William DuValle made the songshis own. They blew Velvet Revolver out of the venue!
I can't wait for the new album. I know it's not going to be the same without Layne, but it will still be damn good.

gabers

Call me old and crotchety, but I have no intention of ever listening to the new AIC. It's just not AIC any more.

Jeremy1012

not for me? wrote:

When i saw AIC this year, they were amazing. They made the show. William DuValle made the songshis own. They blew Velvet Revolver out of the venue!
I can't wait for the new album. I know it's not going to be the same without Layne, but it will still be damn good.

See, for me, this is what I can't get past. Those songs can't be anyone else's for me. I mean, Jerry has every right to get some new singer to sing the songs he wrote, but that's still pushing it for me because Layne voiced them to me and I felt Layne's passion for them and that's what I fell in love with.

Hearing someone else singing Shame In You or Nutshell under the banner of AIC is not something I could ever witness. Just wouldn't seem right. I don't care if that makes me sound like a snob or an asshole, it's just the way I feel.

I wish them well with the new stuff but I'd rather they weren't called AIC, just because for me, Layne was AIC. Layne is why I loved AIC. I don't have any contempt for anyone who goes to see them and enjoys them but it's not for me and I kind of feel the same about any new music.

joint in a tree

not for me? wrote:

William DuValle made the songs his own.

yea, see, that's the problem. They are not his. Maybe he should try making his own songs and see how that goes. Who does he think he is, trying to make those songs his?

reversedarwinism

joint in a tree wrote:

yea, see, that's the problem. They are not his. Maybe he should try making his own songs and see how that goes. Who does he think he is, trying to make those songs his?

He's the guy the band chose to take over the songs and make them theirs. They will only be getting back a fraction of what Layne kept the rest of the band from having, and they deserve that.

angryyoungman

radiohead33 wrote:

I think most of us here would say the old AIC played a formative role in our childhoods.

But I couldnt care less about the new incarnation of AIC.

I wish Jerry would stick to making solo records. I remember listening to Degredation Trip for the first time and it making me physically ill and sick, it was a pretty powerful record, so much emotion.

Without layne the band isnt good. it will always be subpar. Kind of like the whole zep thing. How can they be a band without Bonham?

i disagree dude, saw the new incarnation last year and the new guy was awesome. . .i'd be interested to hear what they have to offer

Joe2TheRevenge

joint in a tree wrote:

yea, see, that's the problem. They are not his. Maybe he should try making his own songs and see how that goes. Who does he think he is, trying to make those songs his?

To be fair, Jerry Cantrell WROTE 99% of AIC's lyrics.

i think he is perfectly capable of choosing who is allowed to sing them.

Jeremy1012

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

To be fair, Jerry Cantrell WROTE 99% of AIC's lyrics.

i think he is perfectly capable of choosing who is allowed to sing them.

Way to exaggerate.

Layne wrote 4 songs on Facelift, half the lyrics on both Dirt and Jar of Flies and NINE of the lyrics on Tripod.

Unless AIC wrote hundreds of songs that no one knows about, you and seemingly a lot of people GROSSLY overstate how much of AIC's songs were written solely by Jerry Cantrell. He wrote the lions share of the music and, in their early days, most of the lyrics. From Dirt onwards, Layne wrote about as much.

12345AGNST1

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Way to exaggerate.

Layne wrote 4 songs on Facelift, half the lyrics on both Dirt and Jar of Flies and NINE of the lyrics on Tripod.

Unless AIC wrote hundreds of songs that no one knows about, you and seemingly a lot of people GROSSLY overstate how much of AIC's songs were written solely by Jerry Cantrell. He wrote the lions share of the music and, in their early days, most of the lyrics. From Dirt onwards, Layne wrote about as much.

He also wrote Angry Chair, Hate To Feel, and Head Creeps. There could be one more but Im not sure.

pjoasisrule

I dont care about alot of the bands that people on here seem to nut over..........the reincarnation of AIC being one of them

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

See, for me, this is what I can't get past. Those songs can't be anyone else's for me. I mean, Jerry has every right to get some new singer to sing the songs he wrote, but that's still pushing it for me because Layne voiced them to me and I felt Layne's passion for them and that's what I fell in love with.

Hearing someone else singing Shame In You or Nutshell under the banner of AIC is not something I could ever witness. Just wouldn't seem right. I don't care if that makes me sound like a snob or an asshole, it's just the way I feel.

I wish them well with the new stuff but I'd rather they weren't called AIC, just because for me, Layne was AIC. Layne is why I loved AIC. I don't have any contempt for anyone who goes to see them and enjoys them but it's not for me and I kind of feel the same about any new music.

See I totally respect that, and I wish some of the people who are like minded could say exactly what you've said, rather than bashing William DuVall.

I'll bet DuVall is just as big a fan of AIC as anyone here, and we all know how songs can really become a part of you when they mean that much. And I thought it was worth pointing out that some of the greatest songs in the world are cover versions, and I wouldn't ever doubt the authenticity of say Jeff Buckley singing Hallelujah.

Like I said before, I don't think this really needs to boil down to anything more than how good the music sounds and whether it moves me.

SoonForgotten2

I'd be more willing to give this band a chance if they dropped the AIC name. Because they're not. If they insist on cashing in on that name, fine, but they won't be getting my cash. If it's about the music, why not come up with a new name for the new band? Wouldn't that lend some artistic integrity? I'm not saying that they should stop playing the songs Jerry wrote. But they're no more AIC than Audioslave was RATM performing "Killing In The Name".

NewDamage

I'll buy the new record, provided they're doing one. I haven't really kept up with what's going on in the AIC camp in many years. I've always been a fan and I have all the albums/ep's and the box set. But I'm not ecstatic over the new incarnation by any means.

facepollution

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

I'd be more willing to give this band a chance if they dropped the AIC name. Because they're not. If they insist on cashing in on that name, fine, but they won't be getting my cash. If it's about the music, why not come up with a new name for the new band? Wouldn't that lend some artistic integrity? I'm not saying that they should stop playing the songs Jerry wrote. But they're no more AIC than Audioslave was RATM performing "Killing In The Name".

I think it would all get a bit weird if they formed a new band, who essentially sounded like AIC and who performed AIC songs - and at the end of the day it does really just come down to semantics. I don't think they are cashing in, they are keeping the band's music alive, and have every right to.