Tool-decoy?

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  • JamnPearl
    JamnPearl Posts: 204
    And this-
    http://www.target.com/gp/search.html/ref=sr_bx_1/601-5874166-7307344?field-keywords=10%2C000+days&url=index%3Dtarget&x=0&y=0

    I've seen that one on different sites to be set to be released on May 16th...it's gotta be some kind of double album, because it's $20. Does anyone know about that?
  • scratched vinyl
    scratched vinyl Posts: 742
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:
    Those 7 songs make up around 70 minutes of music. Thats 20 minutes longer than PJ's new one.

    Dragging out one riff for 10 minutes doesn't make it a good song, nor am I complaining about the album's running time, which is over 70 minutes. I couldn't care less though about how long the album is, all I want are enough good tunes that make a good, cohesive listen. Every other one of their albums have done this, and maybe on May 2nd I'll except that after five years Tool just released an ep, and dig the songs, but right now I'm a little dissapointed.
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:

    Right In Two is stellar

    I'm glad someone else thinks so. I haven't heard any praise for this one yet, and it's one of my top 2 or 3 on this album, maybe my favorite. Definitely not as 'accessible' than the last two albums (especially Aenima), but it sounds like a progression from Lateralus. Song structures definitely aren't 'typical' and certainly not radio friendly, but taken as a piece of art, they have a lot of depth and will take a long time to digest and fully appreciate.
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  • BrinkofForever
    BrinkofForever Posts: 373
    Maybe it's really Earshot's new album...
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  • Man_Of_The_Hour
    Man_Of_The_Hour Posts: 330
    JamnPearl wrote:
    What I don't understand is, why would a bside be a title track?

    Maybe that's a song that'll be partof the album but is part of the decoy too. This whole Tool thing really makes my head spin. They are so weird that we go to such lengths wondering how weird they are.

    Why am I posting in this thread anyway? I dont even like Tool ;)
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  • Deaderman
    Deaderman Posts: 49
    Which is why I'll wait until my brother gets the album and i can hear it..LOL..
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  • Echoes
    Echoes Posts: 1,279
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:
    Anyone that denies Wings For Marie/10k Days is just mad b/c Tool didnt make the album that they thought they were gonna make.

    Usually this is said when a band makes a radical departure from their style, not necessarily whan they make something which sounds derivativee of the old albums
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    again, I havent heard the new album, just the vicarious single.

    But seems to me, whenever tool releases a cd, its highly complex, the references to carl jung, evolution, and genetics on Aenima.

    The odd time signitures and drumming in lateralus, the supposed fibonocci sequence.

    This is a band that spends a HUGE amount of time in their music, thats why its almost worth it for them to take 5 years to make cd's. because you know the cd will be a guaranteed mindblower.

    I dont get the feeling from other peoples responses about the leaked cd.

    people also suggest that many of the songs have lifted riffs from previous tool songs.

    Could tool be that out of ideas that they take riffs from their old songs?

    To me, tool is miles above any band in terms of complexity, and beautiful songs.

    maybe I will be blown away when I finally here the new cd.


    All I know is that I dont think people said this about lateralus. People were blown away, and rightly so. It took people 5 years alone to just digest that cd. People seem to suggest the new cd is complete crap and isnt very complex.

    I just am surprised. I never imagined people would be saying tool made an album that wasnt mindblowing. It just never occured to me
  • mattosborne
    mattosborne Posts: 339
    I highly doubt the leaked version is a decoy. I'm a Tool fan but, I'm not an obsessed Tool fan. The fact is, this album is NOT what I nor most Tool fans expected. There are 3 or 4 tracks that aren't even actual songs. The songs that are tracks which include the entire band seem to be very recycled. They explore no new ground at all here. I'm flat out disappointed. I like a few tracks but, it is absolutely not on the same level as Aenima or Lateralus. Not even close.
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  • gusturtle
    gusturtle Posts: 443
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    thats what I dont get. Every tool album is called a masterpiece.

    I am most likely all the other tool fans assumed this would be mindblowing just like the last albums.

    I also am surprised at how much hatred of the leaked album is going on. Seems like an awful lot of fans think the leaked cd is a bunch of crap. Which is odd.

    I am not sure personally what to make of it all. I didnt download the leaked cd, but heard vicarious.

    All I know is that if the leaked cd is in fact the real deal, alot of tool fans are going to be angry, and alot of fans wont be calling this record a masterpiece.

    If the leaked cd is a hoax and a decoy, tool will have pulled off the ultimate middle finger to both its fans and to the record industry, and label.

    That being said, from the message boards I have read, their is a consensus from a large amount of fans that this album is a decoy. What will be interesting is that if people go on May 2nd and the album is what we have already heard, how people will feel then.

    Who ever thought a Tool record would be mediocre, or even crap? Who knew>

    they're probably yelling "decoy" so people will still go buy the record on may 2nd, thinking they haven't already purchased it. the 6 or so harder songs on the album are definitely Tool, no way to fake that. The rest of the more artsy songs could be decoys, but i highly doubt it.
    these days bands can only get within a week or two (at best) of the album's actual release date before the album gets leaked. there's really no way around it, seeing as how millions of copies of the album have to get produced
    and shipped out to stores several days before the release date. and all it takes is one individual to get the finished product uploaded to their PC, and then, bam, the leak turns into a tsunami. this is the sad reality.
  • Oh, Jimmy
    Oh, Jimmy Posts: 957
    Echoes wrote:
    Usually this is said when a band makes a radical departure from their style, not necessarily whan they make something which sounds derivativee of the old albums

    IMO, some of the stuff does sound like older Tool, but it also sounds fresh.

    What Tool song sounds like WfM/10k Days? I would be the first to hate it. Their long "musical journey" usually dont really thrill me at all, but this is well put together. I think its the least derivitive and the best song Tool has ever done.
  • Oh, Jimmy
    Oh, Jimmy Posts: 957
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    again, I havent heard the new album, just the vicarious single.

    But seems to me, whenever tool releases a cd, its highly complex, the references to carl jung, evolution, and genetics on Aenima.

    The odd time signitures and drumming in lateralus, the supposed fibonocci sequence.

    This is a band that spends a HUGE amount of time in their music, thats why its almost worth it for them to take 5 years to make cd's. because you know the cd will be a guaranteed mindblower.

    I dont get the feeling from other peoples responses about the leaked cd.

    people also suggest that many of the songs have lifted riffs from previous tool songs.

    Could tool be that out of ideas that they take riffs from their old songs?

    To me, tool is miles above any band in terms of complexity, and beautiful songs.

    maybe I will be blown away when I finally here the new cd.


    All I know is that I dont think people said this about lateralus. People were blown away, and rightly so. It took people 5 years alone to just digest that cd. People seem to suggest the new cd is complete crap and isnt very complex.

    I just am surprised. I never imagined people would be saying tool made an album that wasnt mindblowing. It just never occured to me


    There is not a song on the album in a conventional time signature, and that is what makes their songs sound complex. Some of them actually are, b/c of that also.
  • Echoes
    Echoes Posts: 1,279
    Well, I'm glad you enjoy it.
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  • scratched vinyl
    scratched vinyl Posts: 742
    frogwater wrote:
    they're probably yelling "decoy" so people will still go buy the record on may 2nd, thinking they haven't already purchased it. the 6 or so harder songs on the album are definitely Tool, no way to fake that. The rest of the more artsy songs could be decoys, but i highly doubt it.
    these days bands can only get within a week or two (at best) of the album's actual release date before the album gets leaked. there's really no way around it, seeing as how millions of copies of the album have to get produced
    and shipped out to stores several days before the release date. and all it takes is one individual to get the finished product uploaded to their PC, and then, bam, the leak turns into a tsunami. this is the sad reality.

    True, the only possibility that this is not the real version is if the album is not called 10, 000 days, which was the case with Lateralus, when people were looking for an album called "Systema Encéphale". And then a week before release the album and actual album title came out. This time though there's music and everything, so this would be very elaborate, but honestly, if there's a band that would do it, it would be Tool.
  • genevieve
    genevieve Posts: 1,203
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    Is the 10,000 leaked album a decoy?

    If its a decoy my hubbie and I would like to know who this band is.
    Cause they are really good! :D
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  • tremorsinmytree
    tremorsinmytree Posts: 57
    It could be b-sides or at least a mix of 2 albums. I don't usually dwnload albums prior to release but I did with this one(not PJ if you want to know).
    because of the hype.

    Let's think about this for a minute, the word HYPE. We,ve all heard the tool album is coming soon, but until 2 weeks ago or so nobody heard the single or was the album leaked. all of a sudden there is a 20 second clip, then the single was leaked, then the album was leaked, all in a matter of 3 days.

    The leaked version is a good listen, could be an album, but if you go to amazon they're offering 10000 days (domestic) + 10000 days (import) for 45 bucks or so , why would you buy both if there going to have 80-90% the same material on both album?

    My conclusion is TOOL is TOOL and we'll all be waiting 'till May second to find out and NOT any other bands can make their fans wonder if the illegal copy of the album is the REAL one.

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  • scratched vinyl
    scratched vinyl Posts: 742
    genevieve wrote:
    If its a decoy my hubbie and I would like to know who this band is.
    Cause they are really good! :D

    Everyone's in agreement that it's Tool, and I agree that this leak is a decent ep.
  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    It's 76 flippin minutes!!! That's not an EP, kids. Well, perhaps if you have some serious ADD going on.

    Many bands record 20-30 songs and then whittle that down to 10-12 songs for an album.

    I cannot be certain that the leak is the final version, since they likley had a number of songs recorded, mixed, and mastered prior to the final assembly ofthe album.

    I like the album. It's Tool. You have to be ready for a certain percentage of it to be head music.
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  • Interpol
    Interpol Posts: 20
    This was posted in the Sept. 2005 edition of Tool's newsletter.

    "Now where was I?.. Oh yeah, TOOL!.. I'm not going to reveal my source, Mister Patience, but do you want to know the kind of things that have been going on while this record was being recorded? Okay, first there was the decoy record just to confound all those would-be bootleggers out there. This took, oh, about a year, just because the band members wanted it to sound pretty close to the real thing (so as to be believable), along with equally believable art design."

    I think the leaked CD is a decoy. It's odd the last two tracks would be just fillers.
  • bluemonkey
    bluemonkey Posts: 198
    sounds like it's real,but i don't like how hal or maybe even more than half of the songs are "throw away songs"[songs with no lyrics].i can't stand listening to 8 minutes of just weird noises w/ no lyrics...kind of why i never really got that much into floyd.and don't get me wrong,i like both bands.you would just figure that within the 4 or 5 years it has taken to make this album they could have made 11-13 real songs.

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