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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    reeferchief wrote:
    To be fair I would say many of the bigger bands from the late 80's, early 90's have gone/went wussified as you put it personally I still like all of the bands artists output that I've listed I would describe it as growth and maturity they still put out the hard rockers but now they're mixed with slower softer music.

    Pearl Jam
    RHCP
    NIN
    Smashing Pumpkins before they split.
    Chris Cornell

    I would say all these have gone "wussified".:)

    Well to be fair to wuss-ass-billy, SPumpkins was ALWAYS kinda wussy, going back to Gish.

    Chris Cornell? eh ... maybe with his solo album, but Audioslave is hardly wussy? Is it classic like Soundgarden? Meh, i think not, but i wouldn't say it's wussy ... RHCP and NIN ? yeah, i can give you those two ... :D
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    Yeah, I wasn't impressed with With Teeth either. And the first couple times I saw them on this tour, I didn't think the band was that good. However, the last time I saw them (a month ago maybe) they were very good. I think Reznor is as close to flawless live as anyone can be.

    Also, I would definitely give The Fragile a chance. I think there's some great stuff on there.
  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    lol ...
    you MAY want to check out bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, KMFDM, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Front Line Assembly, Throbbing Gristle, Clock DVA...

    lol.
    a lot of old school industrial-heads would probably get pissed off and spit in your face for making a comment like that.

    ;)

    i don't care though, fyi.
    :D:D:D


    haha, i've heard some of those bands, and listened to some online, but i don't know, i still think of nin as the main industrial band, but i'm not old school industrial so what do i know!

    and as to calming, my original comment got corrupted. the stuff that I find calming is the harder stuff. like Mr. Self Destruct or March of the Pigs. i can't explain it.
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  • civ_eng_girl
    civ_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    i'd say the same thing if Pearl Jam started stacking up the wuss side by side too ....

    lol! "stacking up the wuss..."

    still giggling over that.... :):):)
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    Why does having slower songs on an album make you wussified? I think it adds texture to an album.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    rrivers wrote:
    Why does having slower songs on an album make you wussified? I think it adds texture to an album.

    uh.
    we're talking about NINE INCH NAILS ... ...

    I used to really dig on KMFDM too ...

    if they EVER put some lame ass emo bullshit on an album, i would fucking puke!

    it's INDUSTRIAL for fucksake!

    like i said, have a slow song if you want, but if the overall consistency of your music falls over to the land of wuss, then i'm'a'gonna write you off!

    if we were talking about Ben Harper, Dave Mathews or who-have-you, yeah sure ... jerk off with a pan flute and call it a day ... but this is /\/ / \/\, i say.

    Fuckheads, march on!
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    lol ...
    you MAY want to check out bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, KMFDM, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Front Line Assembly, Throbbing Gristle, Clock DVA...

    lol.
    a lot of old school industrial-heads would probably get pissed off and spit in your face for making a comment like that.

    ;)

    i don't care though, fyi.
    :D:D:D

    Most of those bands would spit in your face for calling them industrial.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • audiodave
    audiodave Posts: 1,623
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    uh.
    we're talking about NINE INCH NAILS ... ...

    I used to really dig on KMFDM too ...

    if they EVER put some lame ass emo bullshit on an album, i would fucking puke!

    it's INDUSTRIAL for fucksake!

    like i said, have a slow song if you want, but if the overall consistency of your music falls over to the land of wuss, then i'm'a'gonna write you off!

    if we were talking about Ben Harper, Dave Mathews or who-have-you, yeah sure ... jerk off with a pan flute and call it a day ... but this is /\/ / \/\, i say.

    Fuckheads, march on!

    Pretty Hate Machine wasn't a heavy album. At all. I can't listen to it now, as it really REALLY sounds like it was recorded in 1989. PHM can hardly be considered industrial.

    Broken was an EP. Very short, completely different from PHM. There was a change.

    The Downward Spiral, an awesome album. Very Heavy, and very industrial, continuing and building on the sounds from Broken.

    The Fragile has some very heavy, and some very soft moment. It's an awesome album, and is only as different from TDS as TDS is different from PHM.

    With Teeth has some very very loud moments of it, and I don't think can be called wussified. It is a good album, and the songs sound very good live.

    To call NIN wussified is ridiculous. They have only changed over time. If every album sounded the same as TDS, people would be complaining about that.

    EDIT: OK. Scrap all of what I just said. Just listening to Planet Of Sound by the Pixies, and it does sound eerily like Getting Smaller.

    I still love NIN though. :D
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    rrivers wrote:
    Most of those bands would spit in your face for calling them industrial.

    what would you call them then, mr fucking know-it-all...
    (edit: please say "electronica" so i can have a good laugh)

    what a douche.
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  • kylan11
    kylan11 Posts: 20
    All I can say is that I'm a huge NIN fan. I have more respect for Trent Reznor than I do for most people and I don't even know the guy. There is suppose to be a new album in 2007 and I can hardly wait. NIN live, that's a whole different beast. If you want to see one of the best concerts of your life, I would highly recommend it, even if you are an occassional listener. With that being said, Pearl Jam is still my favorite band, of all time!!!!
  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    kylan11 wrote:
    All I can say is that I'm a huge NIN fan. I have more respect for Trent Reznor than I do for most people and I don't even know the guy. There is suppose to be a new album in 2007 and I can hardly wait. NIN live, that's a whole different beast. If you want to see one of the best concerts of your life, I would highly recommend it, even if you are an occassional listener.

    As do I - seeing a live NIN show is what turned me from a casual fan to NIN being my 2nd favorite band after Pearl Jam.
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  • kylan11
    kylan11 Posts: 20
    JaneNY wrote:
    As do I - seeing a live NIN show is what turned me from a casual fan to NIN being my 2nd favorite band after Pearl Jam.

    NIN is my #2 as well. PJ will always be #1 to me. And Audioslave comes in a close 3rd :)
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    JaneNY wrote:
    As do I - seeing a live NIN show is what turned me from a casual fan to NIN being my 2nd favorite band after Pearl Jam.

    whats funny is that a nails show was pretty much my first rock concert ... actually i'd seen metallica in 8th grade, but nin with manson and the jim rose sideshow was my first highschool concert experience in 1994 ...

    it totally turned me on to both manson and nails ...

    i saw them 3 more times up to 1996, and then

    once after that, my friend dragged me to a nails concert circa the fragile .... it pretty much turned me OFF to the band ... it felt boring and stale ...

    but i guess that's just me.
    :(
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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    once after that, my friend dragged me to a nails concert circa the fragile .... it pretty much turned me OFF to the band ... it felt boring and stale ...

    I wasn't into them yet, around The Fragile tour, but wasn't he really really addicted and sick all the time during that tour and not consistently doing his best shows, so maybe that was why?

    (I have And All that Could have Been and love watching it, but they would have handpicked the best performance of each song - doesn't mean each show was 100% good necessarily)
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    what would you call them then, mr fucking know-it-all...
    (edit: please say "electronica" so i can have a good laugh)

    what a douche.

    My point was that most of those bands, NIN (or your really clever \/\\\//-bullshit) included, would hate the label industrial.

    Just because you are not into how NIN has changed does not mean they are wussified. It would be wussified if he was making softer, more poppier music to sell more albums, but if that is the music that is moving him at the time, then it is honest and not wussified. See audiodave's smart post. Pretty Hate Machine is similiar sounding to With Teeth, though I would agree with you that Pretty Hate Machine is a much better album.
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