"kurt took the easy way out"

VitalDissidence

kurt cobain was a great lyricist and a decent musician and i love nirvana but kurt did take the easy way out. he should have got some counseling, went through some rehab and dealt with his problems. imo he is a selfish pussy for putting his family and friends through that shit. i realize that i am not suicidal, depressed, or on drugs so i really don't know what it's like to deal with shit like that but come on kurt, there were other ways to deal with your problems.
i do believe a man named john frusciante got through his problems and came back with full force on californication with the peppers. countless other drug using musicians have been able to come back. oh well, now i'm just ranting.

karma defect

I don't think Kurt was killed by anyone other then himself.
I don't hate him for it either. That is not my place.
I had a life and he left it. I guess he didn't do so because he was out of bread that day. He had troubles you can see that in his lyrics, what ever they mean, I always had the feeling they were really sad. He's an ass for leaving his little girl fatherless, but other then that it doesn't bother me. It is so easy to say he took the easy way out. I can't believe noone here has never thought about doing the same as he did. The argument that I should stand my suffering for the joy of my famaly and friends has never done much for me. I'm alive and even though I wish to share that with others, that doesn't obligant me to stay alive. You could turn that argument around just as easely if I would want to kill myself that means my loved ones didn't make it worth while for me to hang around. Now I don't seriously believe that but if you aply that argument for a reason not to kill yourself then the opposite is true as well.

Igottago

i am a donut wrote:

It takes more gutz to face your problems. Kurt pussied out. A man who swallows the barrel of a gun is thinking only of himself when he pulls the trigger. The guy had a baby daughter for christ sake. What about her...? Was he thinking how her life is gonna be like being raised by Courtney with no dad...? If it was somebody else that pulled the trigger, then my bad kurt. But the way it stands now, he's a fuking coward....

Sure...he may have taken a cowardly way out, but I don't know if anyone of us can really judge a person who does such a thing. Its a fine line, and many people cross it. As for leaving his daughter behind, its sad, but no worse than millions of other dead beat dads out there who run away from their responsibilities. To me, its a tragedy that Kurt killed himself, and probably a mistake, but I don't judge the man based on this incident.

reeferchief

VitalDissidence wrote:

kurt cobain was a great lyricist and a decent musician and i love nirvana but kurt did take the easy way out. he should have got some counseling, went through some rehab and dealt with his problems. imo he is a selfish pussy for putting his family and friends through that shit. i realize that i am not suicidal, depressed, or on drugs so i really don't know what it's like to deal with shit like that but come on kurt, there were other ways to deal with your problems.
i do believe a man named john frusciante got through his problems and came back with full force on californication with the peppers. countless other drug using musicians have been able to come back. oh well, now i'm just ranting.

Excerpt from what I posted: Not one of the therapists who spoke with Cobain just a few days before his death at the Exodus Treatment Center (one of the most renowned drug rehabilitation facilities in the country) considered him suicidal.

Kurt was going in and out of a rehab clinic and getting professional help.

Also take a look at the Chili Peppers AOL sessions footage, and you night think John is back on the heroin, he dosen't look to healthy thats for sure.

moeaholic

i am a donut wrote:

It takes more gutz to face your problems. Kurt pussied out. A man who swallows the barrel of a gun is thinking only of himself when he pulls the trigger. The guy had a baby daughter for christ sake. What about her...? Was he thinking how her life is gonna be like being raised by Courtney with no dad...?

i've been saying the same thing every year when "tribute" threads are started for kurt. the guy made some great music, but horrible decisions.

and for the record, i don't think he was murdered. he's been dead over 10 years now. don't you think the cops would have found something?

reeferchief

moeaholic wrote:

i've been saying the same thing every year when "tribute" threads are started for kurt. the guy made some great music, but horrible decisions.

and for the record, i don't think he was murdered. he's been dead over 10 years now. don't you think the cops would have found something?

The cops wouldn't have found something because none of them are looking the case isnt open, but what would you make of this these are facts that the police have simply ignored:

THREE TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN?
Kurt apparently had 3 times the lethal 225 mgs dose of heroin (1.52 mgs per liter) in his blood system and intravenous puncture marks in both arms. Medical experts will tell you that such an amount, when injected directly into the bloodstream will leave you incapacitated and cause you to lapse into a coma within seconds, if not kill you instantly before the needle can even be removed from your arm. It's common for deaths of heroin overdoses to be found with the needle still sticking out of the arm. That's how quickly one lethal dose can kill a person, let alone three.
It's hard to believe that Cobain injected himself with an insane triple lethal dose of heroin, pulled the needle out of his arm, carefully put away that needle and the heroin paraphernalia neatly back into a cigar box a few feet away, rolled down and button his sleeves, then picked up a Remington 20-gauge shotgun , placed it in his mouth and discharged it. There does not seem to be another case in history in which anything close to this has ever occurred and many researchers feel it is simply impossible.

The drug Diazepam (Valium), was also found in Cobain's blood system. A drug that is known to aggravate heroin, and makes an overdose that much worse. The question remains as to why Cobain would shoot himself after taking a triple lethal dose, which clearly would have been more than enough to cause death instantly. A triple overdose, followed by shooting yourself not only doesn't make sense, but is impossible according to the medical experts.

Canadian Chemist Roger Lewis read the Cobain autopsy report. Knowing that drug related "suicides" are often a staged cover up for a murder, he studied 98 similar deaths and their pathology, criminology and forensic tests. His research is titled "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers", and it was published in Opinion Magazine. An online version is also available and is a must-read for anyone who wants to intelligently argue that Cobain was murdered. To be fair, there is a rebuttal to Lewis' findings, which has also been posted on the web, as well as Lewis' rebuttal to the first one. Links to that debate are available in the internet coverage section of this site.


NO FINGERPRINTS?
According to the police report, there were no "legible" fingerprints on the shotgun (which some sources say indicate the gun had been wiped or cleaned), none on the pen found with the "suicide" note, or the box of shotgun shells found beside Kurt. How can you write a note, load up a shotgun with 3 shells, and shoot yourself without leaving any fingerprints on anything? Also, his head was nowhere near "blown off", as mistakenly reported by the press. It was fully intact and not as gruesome as people close to the situation had made it out to be to the media and friends. The Remington Model 11 shotgun is a very light shotgun that dealers recommend for home protection, because the shot won't penetrate walls and endanger those on the other side.
Sgt. Cameron admitted 2 years later that there were no markings on Kurt's hands indicating he had fired the weapon. "Yeah, there weren't any marks on his hands...Some rookie must've put that line in the police report." he said when speaking about the mistake in the police report. Tom Grant says: "I can say with confidence that there were no marks on Cobain's hands that would indicate he fired this weapon. I've had the police reports analyzed by other homicide detectives and criminalists. No one can figure out what these "marks" could have been. I can't explain further at this time, but I can tell you the authorities will never claim the marks were GS residue or soot. Some of the additional evidence I've obtained regarding these so-called "marks" cannot be disclosed until the case is reopened. If the Seattle authorities ever care to describe the "marks" in detail, I'll come forward with additional evidence that will prove those so--called "marks" did not really exist."

Since things were also so neatly put away at the scene and there were no fingerprints on key objects, this seems to indicate someone "swept" it before Cobain's body was discovered. He clearly was not alone in that greenhouse.

depplover

he didn't kill himself.....

courtney needs to burn in hell!!!!!!!!

thunder_balls

Killing yourself is not an easy thing to do. Especially when you have 3 doses of heroin in your system. I do not believe he killed himself.

moeaholic

reeferchief wrote:

The cops wouldn't have found something because none of them are looking the case isnt open, but what would you make of this these are facts that the police have simply ignored

the case isn't open because they closed it. are you seriously saying that the cops are covering something up? another conspiracy? christ, everything is a conspiracy in these forums. i'm not going to even bother addressing everything else that was in your post. send it to the police department that closed the case and ask them to explain it.

reeferchief

moeaholic wrote:

the case isn't open because they closed it. are you seriously saying that the cops are covering something up? another conspiracy? christ, everything is a conspiracy in these forums. i'm not going to even bother addressing everything else that was in your post. send it to the police department that closed the case and ask them to explain it.

Some of what is in my post is from the actual police report, this is what the police have already said and ignored, coincidently do you work for the SPD you seem to have the same attitude?
What I have posted are solid facts, your argument is I'll just ignore them and not consider them, to me that says its you taking the easy way out, as apparently the police have.

enharmonic

Drug addiction is a sad, painful, empty experience. Most drug addicts I know or have known aren't doing it for the fun anymore. They're doing it because their body can't function without it. They are not having a good time.

Have any of you ever seen a heroin addict go bad? Some of them have seizures. Some of them shit and piss on themselves. Some of them even start hemorrhaging. It's a choice to start doing drugs, but once you are addicted, you don't own what drugs do to you...the drugs own you.

It is not a good feeling to know that you are hooked on something...or to know that it could be killing you.

moeaholic

reeferchief wrote:

Some of what is in my post is from the actual police report, this is what the police have already said and ignored, coincidently do you work for the SPD you seem to have the same attitude?
What I have posted are solid facts, your argument is I'll just ignore them and not consider them, to me that says its you taking the easy way out, as apparently the police have.

lol, great. if it's in the police reports, ask them why they're ignoring it. get your answers from the original source. and when they tell you what you don't want to hear, you can continue to say it's a complete cover-up.

Manstis1604

If people say he's so selfish for killing himself, they're being even more selfish. People who say that don't know Kurt and don't care about him personally, they just want to hear his music. If you feel strongly enough about something to put a gun to your head and shoot yourself, and you actually DO it, then I don't think that's being a pussy at all.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Staying in the music business, partying, shagging, living in a big ole house, being surrounded by sycophants 24/7 = the easy way out

Suicide/possible murder = not the easy way out

catefrances

so you're sitting there deciding whether or not to end what you consider a miserable existence. you can't see a way out. you hurt more than you ever thought you could hurt. you are convinced that it would be better this way. your family and friends can get on with their lives and you can be through dealing with what it is that is hurting you. all you want is for the pain to stop.
all you want is for the pain to stop. so you stop it. the only way you know that is in your control. to make that decision knowing that it is final. that there is no coming back. now that takes a whole lot of conviction in my opinion. i don't consider it a weak act. nor an act of courage. i consider it an act by someone in a desparate situation. how you all can sit there and judge a person in this position is beyond me. you don't know kurt, so you don't know what was going through his head. just as you don't know what's going through anybody else's head when they make this decision. sure it fuckin' hurts for those left behind. and it's up to those people to decide how to get through it. there is always that little niggling part of you that says what if..?
if only they had've said something. these things happen. deal with it and get on with your life. but never forget what that person meant to you. and respect your friend enough to admit the decision is theirs alone and no one else's.

moeaholic

unbelievable how people put this man on a pedestal. he short changed his fans, he brushed off his friends, and the most important thing of all: he left his child behind in courtney love's hands. i just can't get my brain around the fact that he wouldn't want to watch his child grow. fuck the music. if life is that bad, get help. it's not impossible. people that have had less than him have done it.

don't misinterpret what i'm saying. the music he made was good. from the interviews i've read and seen, he seemed like a nice guy. if he was in such bad shape, i'm sure the fans could have gone on without him in the music scene. get yourself better, man. for your kid, at least. as far as i'm concerned, that's what it all boils down to. his kid. his daughter. that he left behind. and that sickens me to no end.

prytocorduroy

I would have a comment if I thought for a second Kurt actually did it..........

catefrances

you can't do it for anyone other than yourself. you can't do it for your children. for your lover or whoever else. if you're not living your life for you then anything else seems like a compromise. and you will learn to hate them for it. do it for yourself and then everything else is a bonus. you can't make people happy witrhout being happy yourself.

Kraven

I agree with reeferchief. He could not have killed himself nor would he have. Kurt was at a turning point in his life, he was gonna break up Nirvana, and do his thing. He had started a side project with Stipe if I am not mistaken. Courtney was PISSED that he did not want to front Lollapalooza and forgo all the money. He, at this point was considering a divorce from her, because she was a controlling manipulative bitch. He also was in love with his daughter. She was the pride of his life, there is no way he would have ever left her.

But seriously everyone should read the website reeferchief mentioned. It makes you think what really happened. None of it is bullshit, its all fact. Its so crazy. The case should really be reopened and relooked at...

ucsb

darkcrow wrote:

as said by Flea in an interview with Zane Lowe for Radio1... just thought i'd throw that in. He was talking about how it was hard going through the drugs, deaths etc

when ur depressed...nothing matters...i have been there.....but no way anywhere close what he went through. It's not like u just wake up one day and wanna end it. Its months/years of contemplation...and life just going downhill.

With that said....i think its a very sad comment made by a respectable peer/fellow musician.