Porcupine Tree Pokes Fun at Pearl Jam

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  • magikev
    magikev Posts: 296
    Yeah, it just came out Tuesday.
    Kevin Viner
    http://www.kevinviner.net
  • Mojopin
    Mojopin Posts: 216
    lol, I knew this would come up at some point on a pearl jam board.

    Uhhh, it's definitely NOT a knock on Pearl Jam at all. Its a knock on the character's band in the song trying to SOUND like Pearl Jam, but they wear all black, heh.

    As for the band themselves? Probably one of the best bands on the planet right now, and this new album is stunning! I'm absolutely speechless with how good it is right now. All I gotta say is the 5.1 version of it just shreds the demos that were leaked last month.

    The album is highly conceptual about information overload with todays kids, and to me, comes across as something thats equal parts Pink Floyd and Tool, with a little bit of old-school King Crimson thrown in for good measure. Robert Fripp even plays on one of the songs, and so does Alex Lifeson of Rush.

    Its a very heavy concept they're confronting on this album, and it plays out like many parts of a whole. There are 4 songs over 7 minutes on here, and one thats almost 18 minutes.

    All in all, amazing stuff!

    Mojo
    "A consistently good band works all the different elements well. A song has to appeal sentimentally, intellectually, physically, viscerally, and dig deep down into your soul and suck you into it. And after that, of course, it'd be a matter of taste." ~ Kim Thayil from Soundgarden
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    danny72688 wrote:
    Who's to say poser bands don't copy for a reason though? It's still copying. It's a lesser degree in this case but I still see them doing what they are condemning. It would be a lot better if they named a song Fear of a Blank Planet instead. I don't know, that album is critical in music history. It'd be similar to calling an album about the government Puppet Master (lifting from Metallica's Master of Puppets).

    I am sure the contents of the CD are different (hopefully because the subject matter is different).

    Guess Pearl Jam are copycats, then, since they named their first album after Mookie Blaylock's jersey number, and their third album after a book called "Vitality" or some crap like that.

    Seriously, let it go. It's not copying, it's a tribute if anything.
  • peeps
    peeps Posts: 79
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  • peeps
    peeps Posts: 79
    danny72688 wrote:
    Who's to say poser bands don't copy for a reason though? It's still copying. It's a lesser degree in this case but I still see them doing what they are condemning. It would be a lot better if they named a song Fear of a Blank Planet instead. I don't know, that album is critical in music history. It'd be similar to calling an album about the government Puppet Master (lifting from Metallica's Master of Puppets).

    I am sure the contents of the CD are different (hopefully because the subject matter is different).

    Riot Act got its name from the Patriot Act, they both suck, grow some logic.
  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    magikev wrote:
    Okay, so I can't quite decide what to make out of this, whether they are saying that Pearl Jam sucks or that the wannabe band sucks for trying to sound like them. But here are lyrics from the 1st track of Porcupine Tree's new album Fear of a Blank Planet (which, by the way, is great).

    "My friend says he wants to die
    He's in a band
    They sound like Pearl Jam
    The clothes are all black
    The music is crap"

    So, what's the call?

    Porcupine Trees should look in the mirror.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    peeps wrote:
    Riot Act got its name from the Patriot Act, they both suck, grow some logic.

    Considering that, the two I mentioned, and the fact that making an album self-titled has been done hundreds of times over, Pearl Jam has copied at least HALF of their album titles.

    Where would Synergy be without Peeps? :P
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    SunDevil wrote:
    Guess Pearl Jam are copycats, then, since they named their first album after Mookie Blaylock's jersey number, and their third album after a book called "Vitality" or some crap like that.
    You are correct. And it is copying on PJs part, but they aren't condemning it like Porcupine Tree has.
    peeps wrote:
    Riot Act got its name from the Patriot Act
    If you want to look at it that way then yes that is correct too.

    Eveyone copies, at least Porcupine Tree acknowledges it and doesn't take credit.

    And for the record I'm not saying they suck, but I think they are being hypocritical (not fact, opinion).
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    danny72688 wrote:
    You are correct. And it is copying on PJs part, but they aren't condemning it like Porcupine Tree has.

    If you want to look at it that way then yes that is correct too.

    Eveyone copies, at least Porcupine Tree acknowledges it and doesn't take credit.

    And for the record I'm not saying they suck, but I think they are being hypocritical (not fact, opinion).

    Quite a retarded opinion, though. How can you even compare borrowing an album title to make a comparison and stealing someone's entire sound?
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    SunDevil wrote:
    Quite a retarded opinion, though. How can you even compare borrowing an album title to make a comparison and stealing someone's entire sound?
    Whatever, I said earlier they did it to a lesser degree. I wasn't saying they were equal acts. I've even given them credit for admitting it's not theirs.


    They call out people who borrow/steal/whatever someone else's sound.
    They then borrow/steal/whatever someone else's album title (minus one letter).

    Sounds just a little hypocritical to me. That's all I'm saying. Of course it's to a lesser degree. But it's still doing what they "hate".
    "If you hate something don't you do it too?"
  • peeps
    peeps Posts: 79
    you can't patent words danny, is the title similar? yes, is it the same? no. And i'm pretty sure even if it would have been EXACTLY the same, it still wouldn't matter, since it's only words.
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    peeps wrote:
    you can't patent words danny, is the title similar? yes, is it the same? no. And i'm pretty sure even if it would have been EXACTLY the same, it still wouldn't matter, since it's only words.
    No you can't patent words, but phrases, yes. And I'm pretty sure the album title is copyrighted. If not, that doesn't matter. That's not what I'm saying. Obviously you're not seeing my perspective, so oh well, that's fine.

    I see them as hypocrites, you don't. End of story.
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    magikev wrote:
    Okay, so I can't quite decide what to make out of this, whether they are saying that Pearl Jam sucks or that the wannabe band sucks for trying to sound like them. But here are lyrics from the 1st track of Porcupine Tree's new album Fear of a Blank Planet (which, by the way, is great).

    "My friend says he wants to die
    He's in a band
    They sound like Pearl Jam
    The clothes are all black
    The music is crap"

    So, what's the call?

    [random] this is weird. I have a friend in Poland that basically gave me this same quote from Porcupine Tree last week.
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    danny72688 wrote:
    No you can't patent words, but phrases, yes. And I'm pretty sure the album title is copyrighted. If not, that doesn't matter. That's not what I'm saying. Obviously you're not seeing my perspective, so oh well, that's fine.

    I see them as hypocrites, you don't. End of story.

    And I'm just saying it's absolutely ridiculous and foolish to consider them hypocrites because of this. End of story.
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    SunDevil wrote:
    And I'm just saying it's absolutely ridiculous and foolish to consider them hypocrites because of this. End of story.
    I get what you're saying, but how is it foolish and/or ridiculous? They are doing what they poke fun at.

    I accept that you and others don't agree with me though--I partially expected it. I don't even care about this band. Don't know why I'm even bothering to argue.
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    danny72688 wrote:
    I get what you're saying, but how is it foolish and/or ridiculous? They are doing what they poke fun at.

    I accept that you and others don't agree with me though--I partially expected it. I don't even care about this band. Don't know why I'm even bothering to argue.

    It's foolish and ridiculous because they are not doing what they poke fun at. You must seriously have the brain of a peanut if you can't figure out the difference between borrowing an album title and being a complete wannabe and ripoff.
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    SunDevil wrote:
    It's foolish and ridiculous because they are not doing what they poke fun at. You must seriously have the brain of a peanut if you can't figure out the difference between borrowing an album title and being a complete wannabe and ripoff.
    I can tell the difference and I've been saying the whole time Porupine Tree isn't doing the same thing. There is an obvious difference between borrowing a title and borrowing a sound, but in the end it's still borrowing.

    Who cares anyway? I'm burnt out on this argument that is obviously going nowhere and neither of us are changing each others minds. I'm sure the album is good.
  • SunDevil
    SunDevil Posts: 10
    danny72688 wrote:
    I can tell the difference and I've been saying the whole time Porupine Tree isn't doing the same thing. There is an obvious difference between borrowing a title and borrowing a sound, but in the end it's still borrowing.

    Who cares anyway? I'm burnt out on this argument that is obviously going nowhere and neither of us are changing each others minds. I'm sure the album is good.

    You're sounding alot like a certain man in the white house.
  • mrwalkerb
    mrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    danny72688 wrote:
    I can tell the difference and I've been saying the whole time Porupine Tree isn't doing the same thing. There is an obvious difference between borrowing a title and borrowing a sound, but in the end it's still borrowing.

    Who cares anyway? I'm burnt out on this argument that is obviously going nowhere and neither of us are changing each others minds. I'm sure the album is good.


    It's different because they are acknowledging that it is a reference to the PE record, by doing this (and I think someone already mentioned it) they are changing the context that people approach the album. It's not like the Vanilla Ice thing were he stole the bassline from teh Queen/Bowie song, it's like when Weird Al did his weird al take on teh cover of nevermind. it's called an allusion. That's the difference. It would be hypocritical if they were calling out bands that ape PJ but the whole time were ripping someone else off, this isn't. And if you don't see this than yes it would appear opinions can be wrong
    "I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
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  • 3manstack
    3manstack Posts: 205
    I think he used PJ just coz it would scan better in the lyrics

    just think if he used the following....

    Hes in a band they sound like Soundgarden, theyre clothes are all black theyre music is crap.

    See, just doesnt read right does it?

    Very cool album, not too keen on it at first but quite the grower.

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