Courtney Selling Off Kurts Belongings
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Courtney Love, widow of Nirvana singer Kurt Cobain, says she plans to sell most of his belongings.
"I'm going to have a Christie's auction," Love, 42, tells AOL music Web site Spinner.com. "(My house) is like a mausoleum."
Love and Cobain wed in 1992 and had a daughter, Frances Bean, that year. Cobain committed suicide in 1994.
"My daughter doesn't need to inherit a giant ... bag full of flannel ... shirts," says Love, former frontwoman of the rock band Hole. "A sweater, a guitar and the lyrics to `(Smells Like) Teen Spirit' — that's what my daughter gets. And the rest of it we'll just ... sell."
No date has been set for the auction, AOL publicist Kurt Patat told The Associated Press on Monday.
Love, whose upcoming album is titled, "Nobody's Daughter," says friends support the idea.
"Everyone's been positive and behind me on it," she says. "We'll make a lot of money and give a bunch of it to charity."
She'll have a chance to move on from Cobain, too.
"I still wear his pajamas to bed. How am I ever going to go form another relationship in my lifetime wearing Kurt's pajamas?"
Courtney Love, widow of Nirvana singer Kurt Cobain, says she plans to sell most of his belongings.
"I'm going to have a Christie's auction," Love, 42, tells AOL music Web site Spinner.com. "(My house) is like a mausoleum."
Love and Cobain wed in 1992 and had a daughter, Frances Bean, that year. Cobain committed suicide in 1994.
"My daughter doesn't need to inherit a giant ... bag full of flannel ... shirts," says Love, former frontwoman of the rock band Hole. "A sweater, a guitar and the lyrics to `(Smells Like) Teen Spirit' — that's what my daughter gets. And the rest of it we'll just ... sell."
No date has been set for the auction, AOL publicist Kurt Patat told The Associated Press on Monday.
Love, whose upcoming album is titled, "Nobody's Daughter," says friends support the idea.
"Everyone's been positive and behind me on it," she says. "We'll make a lot of money and give a bunch of it to charity."
She'll have a chance to move on from Cobain, too.
"I still wear his pajamas to bed. How am I ever going to go form another relationship in my lifetime wearing Kurt's pajamas?"
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That Courtney Love has made it to 42 while we lost Kurt years ago is further proof of there being no God.
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i love kurt, but we only lost him cuz he blew his brains out
edit: three threads on this so far, wonder how many we will end up with?
hey at least mine is in the right forum
and yes its amazing that this woman still breaths
Dude it's about having an informed opinion about things, people just trash her because of the things they read and see about her in the media, coupled with their admiration/love/whatever for Kurt and his music - seems to completely cloud people's objectivity.
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I don't like her
Look man, i am not trying to upset you or offend you, or start an argument at all. But because my opinion differs from yours, does not mean my opinion is uninformed. If you know anything about his death, you would know that there were several things that pointed to the fact that someone else was in that room with him that night. Not to mention all the odd things that happened leading up to the night he died. I admit, a lot of it is speculation, but still, it makes the case shady. Why do people dislike Courtney Love? Courtney herself has given everyone this image of her because of how she acts in front of the media. The media didn't make people dislike her, she did that herself by her behavior when given the spotlight. So what we read and see as you mentioned, is what she has given us to read and see.
My opinion, she had an objective by marrying Kurt. She got a little popular, met Kurt who was the biggest man in music world at that point and married him to get famous. You can't argue that her fame doubled when she married Kurt because she was Grunge God Kurt Cobain's wife and than was even bigger when he died, poor widow and her child. That is the fame that she longed for. Why do I feel this way? Because SHE ALONE has made me feel this way. That she was capable of doing this. Still not saying she did it. In reality, she probably did not. Your comment about Kurt on the other thread is hard to argue against.
By the way, I am a moderate Nirvana fan. Didn't care for them that much until after Kurt's death. Why? I don't know, just didn't. So my opinion is not at all based on any love for Kurt. I dislike Courtney for the same reasons I dislike people like Paris Hilton, because they are attention/money hungry people who think they can act and do whatever they want, and that the world should just accept it because they are famous.
I could be wrong because it has been a long time, but I think that is how I remember things going.
Well, it looks like they were together before Nirvana hit it big, but not married until 1992.
let frances bean decide what she wants to keep, shes fifteen years old!!! and never met her father, so its really the least courtney as a mother could do for her in that respect..but no, she prob needs another nose job now, so next time you see a plastic bit of courtney, think of it as a kurt memorial, cuz thats where its all going, the music, his journals and now his clothes..what a freakin surprise..
and to the person who says we lost kurt because he blew his brains out...what makes you so sure it was him that blew his brains out?
Ok, but then a lot of these details have come to light not from the official verdict, but from the investigator who's trying to link Courtney to the death. It's entirely feasible that he could just be trying to make money out of this whole thing - there are plenty of people in the world who are that damn self-centered that they would do something like that. The reason a lot of people find it easier to believe what he's saying, is because Courtney comes across as a complete nut-job.
I completely understand where you are coming from, but it really is a very knee-jerk reaction. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll see she is a total product of her childhood, severe neglect by her parents, no responsible role models, moved around from reform schools around 20 times - her behaviour to this day is one massive cry for help. Throw an out of control drug dependency into the mix and it's no surprise at all that she's behaved how she has. I should also say that all this OTT behaviour occured around 2 years ago now, lately she's been far better behaved. Also she has given plenty of interviews in the last year that paint her in a completely different light, yet they don't seem to factor into your evaluation of her - which is entirely my point, people find it far easier to focus on the tabloid trash than the actual reality.
See I doubt that was her main interest in Kurt, if you read her diaries and stuff she was very much in love with him. Your belief that she has 'made' you feel that way, to my mind is inaccurate. Nobody forces you to feel one way or the other, you 'chose' to feel things. For example, I can't force you to feel angry about something, you either decide to feel anger or you don't. Your perception of Courtney is obviously what drives all your feelings towards her and what she does. My question to you would be this: do you judge everybody on face value?
Hey come on now, even critics were praising her work in The People Vs Larry Flint and Man on the moon - she has far more talent than Paris Hilton. I take it you don't like her music? Are you open enough that you would at least listen to a song if I posted a link?
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And i dont know if Frances Bean was in on the desicion or not, but it was certainly presented that it was entirely courtney's decision. Its certain that FB would legally have no say whatsoever in the process.
I really dont know why ppl try to defend courtney because of her childhood, blah blah blah. no offence but she presents herself to be exactly what she wants you to see. someone that can be so calculating is of sound mind and capable of rational decisions...just like anyone else.
and her acting? please...typecast, totally and utterly. I admit i think courtney has some talent but she is not by any means a figure that girls and young women should aspire to. And i dont mean that in a conservative way either.
Ultimately, she is whoring out Kurt and he cant answer back. that is what i find repellant. and no, i wasnt a massive nirvana fan either. music aside, its almost a question of morality. how many other dead people have their private thoughts made public? the rights to their creative output barted over publicly and the next indignity...his everyday possessions made available to any tom, dick and harry?
I'm just glad he was cremated, at least the body cant be sold.
I don't judge people at face value. That is all I know of Courtney, what she wants us to know. I have heard a lot of stuff by Hole, I have seen her in a few movies. I don't care so much for her music, but I can see where people do like her, escpecially when Hole first came out. A cool, grunge, rocking girl band. But as some one later said, it's more of a morality thing. She has never ever appeared real to me, ever. t's like she is always acting, or putting on a show. Yeah, she has more talent that Paris Hilton, I wasn't comparing that, but she has the same fake, do whatever I want attitude.
Ok, she didn't hold a gun to my head and "make me feel" anyway. You know exactly what I mean that, though.
As far as the detective, the dude has made no money at all on this. He actually ended up broke. And the police report also stated that their were more than one needle that had been used. Having said that, Kurt could have used 2 needles that night, we'll never know. Also, where the gun was found, the lack of fingerprints, these things could be bull shit, but they could also be just as true, more things we'll never know, so no need to argue about it.
Bottom line is, I don't like her, I don't like how she has been selling out her dead husband to make money, or tp "give it to charity" even. If she was so in love with him, as someone else said, "why is she selling his private thoughts"? Instead of selling his things to "get over it", why isn't she donating that stuff the the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame or even the Hard Rock Cafe resturants?
Seriously, don't want to offend you, we are Pearl Jam fans, that's why we are on here in the first place. I love all the jammers on here, so let's just agree to disagree.
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Well perhaps he's hoping for one big pay off at the end of it (if that ever comes), who knows. But from reading his site, it's quite clear that he disliked Courtney from the start, and to me the site is completely lacking in objectivity.
Yeah but it was presented to us essentially by journalists, which is the point I've been trying to make all along with regards to most people's impressions of her.
Ok so by your reasoning you don't believe Michael Jackson's erratic behaviour is bought on by his fucked up childhood either? I don't wanna get all high and mighty, but having studied Psychology for five years, most evidence would support the fact that your formative years ARE what moulds you as an adult. Now if you think growing up being given lsd at the age of four by her father and essentially having no parental supervision, leads to being a 'normal' well adjusted adult you really don't know what you are talking about. Neglect is a form of mental abuse and the scars left from that are no different to those left by physical or sexual abuse - which I'm sure you would agree can still haunt people in their adult life?
The ability to act is not a given thing, not everyone can do it - if someone asked you to play yourself in a film, you wouldn't necessarily be able to make it believable. Even Larry Flint said she did an incredible job playing his dead girlfriend - so she must have been fairly good.
I'm not saying she's necessarily made the best decisions, but I think somewhere in this she is trying to create some sort of legacy for him. To my mind, the whole grunge era is in danger of being considered a minor footnote in musical history along with nu-metal, so I can to some extent understand why she is trying hard to keep his name alive.
I'm not here to argue with people, and I'm certainly not a Courtney Love obsessive - but I do to some extent feel sorry for her, I'm not saying there aren't times I haven't rolled my eyes and thought 'what the fuck are you doing?', but knowing a lot about her past, none of it really surprises me. As far as this particular topic goes, I think it's the right thing to get rid of his stuff, she really needs to move on, and it's quite shocking that she hasn't yet. Oh and whoever said about her donating the stuff to Hardrock cafe or something, I'm pretty sure they buy most the memorabilia they have, so really there's no difference.
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and courtney was his client first off, so he treated her professionally, although once he started working fro her his detective skills realised that what she was saying didnt add up and instinct took over. he signed off the case when kurt was found. then courtney rehired him (to keep tabs on him) Hardly something she would do if she didnt like the guy or he didnt like her. there are alot of pi's out there.
her acting? whatever. do u think she would have been offered those roles without the surgery she had? sorry to sound catty but thats how i see it.
also, i take your point about the media, they love a witch hunt. But ive read around a fair bit and dont take this at face value. i realise most ppl wouldnt do that though.
Her fucked up childhood? well, i'll keep my opinions on pyschology to myself. all i'll say is that human beings are surprisingly resiliant and can cope with a lot more than they are given credit for. the acid story is a story that courtney probably made up-it was used against her dad to keep him away from courtney when she was growing up after her parents divorced.
and even if she is screwed up through neglect, doesnt that support the argument that she is capable of anything? and it has nothing to do with being motivated by money over respect for your dead husband's wishes. you really think kurt would have let this shit go on? or that he would have done the same if it were courtney who died? if she wants to move on, the whole world doesnt have to get involved...put stuff in a box and put it in the bin, or store it somewhere, or give it to charity anonymously.
it just seems like she always chooses the option that guarentees her the most noteriety. dont forget, she calls up journalists and plants stories, as she calls up radio stations and requests her new album when she claimed to be anxiously waiting for a call from her missing husband. She isnt a victim of the media, she uses it as a tool.
I'd be really interested to hear your personal opinions on psychology....
Just because people are resiliant doesn't mean that their behaviour isn't affected by their past, from all that I've read about her, it's quite clear she's a tortured soul.
I'm not necessarily saying that Tom Grant wants a pay off, but trying to look at the whole picture, I don't think his case is massively convincing, and I do think his assertions are heavily biased.
As for the acting and Courtney's suergery, um yeah I think she probably would have, I don't think a nose and tit job is really what comes to mind when people think of Courtney as a character.
As far as her requesting her own songs etc, that happened when she really hit rock bottom, the album bombed big-time, she had blown all her cash on drugs.
I'm running out of time cause I gotta go work, sorry if I missed any points there, but really do tell me about your thoughts on psychology.
2.you really should look at the evidence, which opens the whole thing up, even if you dont think courtney can be implicated in Kurt's death, it wasnt suicide
3. My thoughts on pyschology: i think its sinister, a means of control. I dont think any other person has the right to decalre me sane or insane. stuff like England's mental deficiency act 1913 mske me shudder. they locked up imbeciles and morally deficient people indefinetly in many cases. Im sure pyschology has more to offer but that was enough to put me off. and also witnessing what pyschologists have said/done to vulnerable people around me makes me want to haul off and smack em in the mouth. i dont understand where they think their authority comes from.
This is not personal at you btw, i just enjoy a good debate and am grateful for a sparring partner!
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there are people that are mentally ill, some of them a danger to themselves and/or others..I'm typing this from the mental health ward were I work, I can grab several examples in the space of a minute..
Things have greatly changed since 1913.. hell, there's plenty of people that probably should be locked up, in term of safety, out there.
I find it really sad that people hang on to the conspiracy theories because they can't accept he commited suicide.
Never heard of anyone who actually KNEW KC, like his fellow band members, that had any doubt that he did.
He was a drug addict and clearly a disturbed young man. The pressure of fame and having a nutjob of a wife (weren't she rich and famous her daughter would have been put into care long ago) didn't help an already fragile mental state..no mystery there.
It's sad, a waste of talent, but denying it because you'd rather get angry at someone else than him for giving up isn't going to change it.
Yep that pretty much sums it up. And for the record Fances has been taken into care on a few occasions, like I said Courtney had a lot of problems way before she got famous, compounded by a long battle with drugs. That said, it does seem like she's slowly getting her shit together.
No one here said she did do it. Just said that the whole thing was shady and a lot of things didn't make sense. Courtney had plenty of motive to do so, if she did, and not to forget she was a disturber, drug addict herself, who had an disturber drug adducted husband, who was tens times as popular as she was. What i think is sad, just because people like myself and clairenordon who have educated, different opinions from people like you, who I admit also has an educated opinion, are being told we think these things because we judeg people at face value, or don't try to look inside someone, or just fucking love Kurt Cobain so much that we can't and won't except the fact that he killed himself dispite jis addictions and pressure life. Maybe you people just love Courtney Love so much you can't except that maybe, JUST MAYBE, she might have had something to do with it. She was just as unstable and messed as Kurt and probably more. She wanted fame he didn't care. Kurt being in Nirvana made Courtney more popular than her being in Hole did. YES IT DID!!!
So as much as you say we can't except Kurt killing himself, look in the mirror.
BTW, not a huge Kurt fan, just want to say that again.
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