I don't see how McGrath is a sellout. He and Sugar Ray never claimed to be the most important band in the world. They never held to the belief that they had to keep pure indie cred in order to be a good band. They were just a band that wanted to make music and entertain people. When your band quits selling a lot of records, you've gotta go do something else to pay the bills.
And I am no Sugar Ray fan. I really couldn't stand a lot of their music. I just feel that the term 'sellout' is over used and abused.
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Nope.
Selling a song you wrote in an attempt to write a good song (failed or not) that caught the ear of someone in marketing to fit a product does not make you a sell out. You have not changed the art you are making to make more money. You are just profiting from a song you've written. Especially if you support the product on some level personally.
Also, some bands, like Nickelback and Matchbox 20 have not attempted to be anything more than they are- bands that can write the occasional catchy song for the masses. How are they selling out? Perhaps you can say they wernt artists in the first place, but ultimately they are still staying true to what they set out to perform initially.
Sugar Ray? Any band that admits they sold out is fine by me. They made an honest choice- and dont hide behind anything about it.
To me? The biggest sellouts are the people that are well respected for their music, and try to move and evolve into new things.... only when their fans dont react as well as anticipated, they return back to their tried and true formula- even if it is in stark contrast to where they want to progress to as artist. Im thinking of U2 and DMB.
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Didn't realize you were the authority on who's who of sellouts. Next time I'll check with you first before I post.
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I would throw in a vote for Def Leppard. Prime piece of evidence: A couple of years ago, they played a few songs at the opening of a Wal Mart Supercenter in Fayetteville, NC.
ratm. i cant think of a single band that has talked so much about evil corporations and yet have stuck their name on everything. shirts, hats, video games, movie soundtracks, a cd of just covers, mtv videos, what a joke. how many dvd releases do they have anyways.
atleast bands like kiss and aerosmith were all about making money and being famous from the beginning.
also, Bob Dylan has sold his songs to commercials. Even though these artists haven't catered their music to a company for the purpose of making a profit, I would say that the message of their music runs contradictory to the idea of using it to sell products for a corporation.
Another way to sell out-Courtney Love selling a share of the rights to Nirvana's catalog.
Sting and Aerosmith come to mind here-they seem to have sold themselves to the highest bidder on numerous occasions and just leave a rotten feeling in the pit of my stomach.
But I forgive Prince for selling a song to Verizon-he has done enough to benefit his fans and fought for a long time and sacrificed lots of money in the past to maintain his artistic integrity. He's a earned a break. Plus, he gave out all of those free CDs in the newspaper.
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ratm. i cant think of a single band that has talked so much about evil corporations and yet have stuck their name on everything. shirts, hats, video games, movie soundtracks, a cd of just covers, mtv videos, what a joke. how many dvd releases do they have anyways.
atleast bands like kiss and aerosmith were all about making money and being famous from the beginning.
Uh, they have 3 DVDs. Think about the juxtaposition though; if they were an underground band that no-one actually heard would they be able to get their message across effectively? And would this make them less of a "sell-out" band? Because they couldn't share their beliefs? It's a tough one.
Cornell is winning it for me right now though, but only because I'm such a big fan and it hurts so much.
Uh, they have 3 DVDs. Think about the juxtaposition though; if they were an underground band that no-one actually heard would they be able to get their message across effectively? And would this make them less of a "sell-out" band? Because they couldn't share their beliefs? It's a tough one.
Cornell is winning it for me right now though, but only because I'm such a big fan and it hurts so much.
let me start by saying, fugazi.
sure maybe not every one would know who they are, but how many of their fans just like the idea and yet shop at gap? these would be the fans that would have never heard of ratm if they stuck to their own message of anti-corporations.
id give ratm some slack if the band donated all but lets say middle class level of what they made yearly. they talk pro-communism so why are they making millions? plus they signed with a major labeled then stayed with that label the whole time. and i wonder what kinda car zach drives.
dont get me wrong i like some of their music, and morello was one of my favorite guitarist growing up, but they dont live up to their own message all the while making millions, and that sounds like a sell-out to me.
sure maybe not every one would know who they are, but how many of their fans just like the idea and yet shop at gap? these would be the fans that would have never heard of ratm if they stuck to their own message of anti-corporations.
id give ratm some slack if the band donated all but lets say middle class level of what they made yearly. they talk pro-communism so why are they making millions? plus they signed with a major labeled then stayed with that label the whole time. and i wonder what kinda car zach drives.
dont get me wrong i like some of their music, and morello was one of my favorite guitarist growing up, but they dont live up to their own message all the while making millions, and that sounds like a sell-out to me.
I don't want to sound like a RATM fanboy but I have to defend these guys. When have Rage ever been "pro-communism"? Tom has admitted that he's a socialist but no further than that. The reason they are with a major label is because Epic gave them the freedom to do what they wanted and didn't force them to change anything. Again, the message-spreading issue arises.
Also, I don't think the political aspect is THAT active any more. They seem to be more interested in rocking out which is probably a good thing.
Also, I don't think the political aspect is THAT active any more. They seem to be more interested in rocking out which is probably a good thing.
so youre saying they gave up on their message they were trying to get out, and are now playing a reunion tour just for the money?
like i said i like some of their music, but they arent fooling me. tom seems pretty level headed at times, he's one of the reasons why i was able to like the band. but you cant be saying anti-walmart, blah blah this and that. (i do hate walmart, but i dont give walmart money, unlike ratm) then have your albums sold there.
if they could do whatever they wanted on the major label maybe they should have pushed for their albums only being sold direct from the label with no evil corporate middle men involved (best buy, sam goody, fye, etc). or maybe only at independant shops.
No one's mentioned Chris Cornell? It's one of the biggest sell-outs I can think of in music at least. Suddenly going from an alternative rock background to getting the numero uno cash machine Timbaland to produce his new new pop / R&B album. I can't believe there is any musical motivation behind it, the move is all do to with fame and money. He's completely whored himself off.
the whole things just sad.
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As great tv as it was, INXS and Navarro win for their involvement for the 1st series of Rock Star.
Navarro has been upfront with his love of media from the beginning. He's not a sellout though.
Anyone remember back in the mid-90s when he had his own segment on "MTV News 1515"? or when he judged all those shows they held on the beach during spring break? He's always been on TV. Before that it was him doing most of the interviews about the RHCP, and before that he was always the one accepting Jane's Addiction's awards on TV. He's a mediawhore, not a sellout. Big difference.
INXS is right on the money though. They didn't have to stay broken up, but perhaps recording new music under a different name would be appropriate when your singer is dead. And even if not, maybe not creating a game show on CBS (the old person network) of all places to find a new singer is not the best of ideas.
KISS is right on the money. They are by far the biggest sellouts ever. They have always cared more about marketing their image to their fans then actually marketing their records. And don't even get me started on how they have 8 different "best of kiss" collections that all contain the EXACT same song but just have different artwork.
KISS wins easily. They put their fucking bandname on condoms and coffins for god's sake. Fucking sad. It's not art, it's a business to them. Gene has even admitted that.
Navarro has been upfront with his love of media from the beginning. He's not a sellout though.
Anyone remember back in the mid-90s when he had his own segment on "MTV News 1515"? or when he judged all those shows they held on the beach during spring break? He's always been on TV. Before that it was him doing most of the interviews about the RHCP, and before that he was always the one accepting Jane's Addiction's awards on TV. He's a mediawhore, not a sellout. Big difference.
INXS is right on the money though. They didn't have to stay broken up, but perhaps recording new music under a different name would be appropriate when your singer is dead. And even if not, maybe not creating a game show on CBS (the old person network) of all places to find a new singer is not the best of ideas.
KISS is right on the money. They are by far the biggest sellouts ever. They have always cared more about marketing their image to their fans then actually marketing their records. And don't even get me started on how they have 8 different "best of kiss" collections that all contain the EXACT same song but just have different artwork.
KISS wins easily. They put their fucking bandname on condoms and coffins for god's sake. Fucking sad. It's not art, it's a business to them. Gene has even admitted that.
Wouldnt you say that your post is a bit contradictory?
If you can say "navarro has always been a whore- so he cant be a sell out" then wouldnt it be fair to say "KISS has ALWAYS put their name on everything they could, and readily admit it- so they arent a sell out either?" KISS is and always has been about shilling as much merchandise as possible.
I think "sell out" is such an overused term, and unfortunately is too often applied to bands that either didnt have much artistic integrity to begin with (sugar ray,MB20, Navarro, KISS, etc), or bands that just tried to grow into a different sound (green day, beach boys, etc).
To me, "selling out" would be if Green Day recorded "DOOKIE 2! The TwoKie" and tried to recreate Basket Case, just to try and make more money.
Ratm are definitely the biggest phonies in music history.The excuse made for them is that they've a 'message' to spread.My arse they do,I listen to them for the same reason I listen to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit from time to time,it's big dumb rock music you can shout along and bang your head to,nothing more or less.
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Wouldnt you say that your post is a bit contradictory?
No.
being on TV doesn't make you a sellout, it makes you a mediawhore.
Being a mediawhore is about being on TV so people will look at you, not being on TV to hock a product.
KISS on the other hand sells off their name 10,000 times more than they focus on their musical legacy. What they do has nothing to do with the band and everything to do with putting money in their bank accounts based on their name rather than their music.
Ratm are definitely the biggest phonies in music history.The excuse made for them is that they've a 'message' to spread.My arse they do,I listen to them for the same reason I listen to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit from time to time,it's big dumb rock music you can shout along and bang your head to,nothing more or less.
That's just crazy. Ratm is not dumb rock music, at least not in the Limp Bizkit sense of dumb rock music. If you fail to understand ratm's music ok, but do no try to compare what they do with a shitty thing like LB.
As for the message to spread, I get that it's not an argument that will touch everyone, but consider this : with all the millions that the band members made they helped, built and did more things for their communities and causes they deemed right than they would have done if they stayed unknown underground artists playing at night and working daytime jobs. To take the money where it lies to use it to defend your causes is not selling out, it's logic.
Rolling stones are definitely the biggest sell out band in rock history, with their ever growing love for money.
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Didn't realize you were the authority on who's who of sellouts. Next time I'll check with you first before I post.
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terrible shame all that business.
atleast bands like kiss and aerosmith were all about making money and being famous from the beginning.
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/01/21/the-who-achieve-elite-sellout-status-with-new-mineral-water-commercial/
And for Roger Daltry doing those late-night 70s CD collection infomercials. Gross.
also, Bob Dylan has sold his songs to commercials. Even though these artists haven't catered their music to a company for the purpose of making a profit, I would say that the message of their music runs contradictory to the idea of using it to sell products for a corporation.
Another way to sell out-Courtney Love selling a share of the rights to Nirvana's catalog.
Sting and Aerosmith come to mind here-they seem to have sold themselves to the highest bidder on numerous occasions and just leave a rotten feeling in the pit of my stomach.
But I forgive Prince for selling a song to Verizon-he has done enough to benefit his fans and fought for a long time and sacrificed lots of money in the past to maintain his artistic integrity. He's a earned a break. Plus, he gave out all of those free CDs in the newspaper.
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God forbid someone actually have a thought that extends beyond "This song was in a commercial- So they must have sold out!"
Cornell is winning it for me right now though, but only because I'm such a big fan and it hurts so much.
let me start by saying, fugazi.
sure maybe not every one would know who they are, but how many of their fans just like the idea and yet shop at gap? these would be the fans that would have never heard of ratm if they stuck to their own message of anti-corporations.
id give ratm some slack if the band donated all but lets say middle class level of what they made yearly. they talk pro-communism so why are they making millions? plus they signed with a major labeled then stayed with that label the whole time. and i wonder what kinda car zach drives.
dont get me wrong i like some of their music, and morello was one of my favorite guitarist growing up, but they dont live up to their own message all the while making millions, and that sounds like a sell-out to me.
I don't want to sound like a RATM fanboy but I have to defend these guys.
Also, I don't think the political aspect is THAT active any more. They seem to be more interested in rocking out which is probably a good thing.
so youre saying they gave up on their message they were trying to get out, and are now playing a reunion tour just for the money?
like i said i like some of their music, but they arent fooling me. tom seems pretty level headed at times, he's one of the reasons why i was able to like the band. but you cant be saying anti-walmart, blah blah this and that. (i do hate walmart, but i dont give walmart money, unlike ratm) then have your albums sold there.
if they could do whatever they wanted on the major label maybe they should have pushed for their albums only being sold direct from the label with no evil corporate middle men involved (best buy, sam goody, fye, etc). or maybe only at independant shops.
the whole things just sad.
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Navarro has been upfront with his love of media from the beginning. He's not a sellout though.
Anyone remember back in the mid-90s when he had his own segment on "MTV News 1515"? or when he judged all those shows they held on the beach during spring break? He's always been on TV. Before that it was him doing most of the interviews about the RHCP, and before that he was always the one accepting Jane's Addiction's awards on TV. He's a mediawhore, not a sellout. Big difference.
INXS is right on the money though. They didn't have to stay broken up, but perhaps recording new music under a different name would be appropriate when your singer is dead. And even if not, maybe not creating a game show on CBS (the old person network) of all places to find a new singer is not the best of ideas.
KISS is right on the money. They are by far the biggest sellouts ever. They have always cared more about marketing their image to their fans then actually marketing their records. And don't even get me started on how they have 8 different "best of kiss" collections that all contain the EXACT same song but just have different artwork.
KISS wins easily. They put their fucking bandname on condoms and coffins for god's sake. Fucking sad. It's not art, it's a business to them. Gene has even admitted that.
Wouldnt you say that your post is a bit contradictory?
If you can say "navarro has always been a whore- so he cant be a sell out" then wouldnt it be fair to say "KISS has ALWAYS put their name on everything they could, and readily admit it- so they arent a sell out either?" KISS is and always has been about shilling as much merchandise as possible.
I think "sell out" is such an overused term, and unfortunately is too often applied to bands that either didnt have much artistic integrity to begin with (sugar ray,MB20, Navarro, KISS, etc), or bands that just tried to grow into a different sound (green day, beach boys, etc).
To me, "selling out" would be if Green Day recorded "DOOKIE 2! The TwoKie" and tried to recreate Basket Case, just to try and make more money.
Ratm are definitely the biggest phonies in music history.The excuse made for them is that they've a 'message' to spread.My arse they do,I listen to them for the same reason I listen to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit from time to time,it's big dumb rock music you can shout along and bang your head to,nothing more or less.
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No.
being on TV doesn't make you a sellout, it makes you a mediawhore.
Being a mediawhore is about being on TV so people will look at you, not being on TV to hock a product.
KISS on the other hand sells off their name 10,000 times more than they focus on their musical legacy. What they do has nothing to do with the band and everything to do with putting money in their bank accounts based on their name rather than their music.
Celebration, the ball's in play
As for the message to spread, I get that it's not an argument that will touch everyone, but consider this : with all the millions that the band members made they helped, built and did more things for their communities and causes they deemed right than they would have done if they stayed unknown underground artists playing at night and working daytime jobs. To take the money where it lies to use it to defend your causes is not selling out, it's logic.
Rolling stones are definitely the biggest sell out band in rock history, with their ever growing love for money.
Chris Cornell is quite the sellout, Green Day i'd agree with, can't think of anyone who would stand alone at the #1 spot.