Rise Against

ledvedderman

I have to admit I know nothing of this band. What are the like? With a name like "Rise Against" I assume they're political, but I could be wrong. I'm kind of debating whether to get a CD of theirs.

sapperskunk

Unless you're into the latest influx of bad pop rock, I personally would advise against it.

But then again, I'm the biggest music snob on the planet.

To each his own my man.

Answers_In_Playdoh

They're really not too bad... I really like 'Blood to Bleed' and 'Swing Life Away'

hailhail82

I like they're first couple records more than their latest. There definately is a sense of the pop/screamo thing being added more and more.

Red Lukin

sapperskunk wrote:

Unless you're into the latest influx of bad pop rock, I personally would advise against it.

But then again, I'm the biggest music snob on the planet.

To each his own my man.

I'm totally with you about their music...but again I'm also a music snob

Alex_Coe

I'm no music snob... but RA is not that great, or at least that's what I've seen.

boroff89

sapperskunk wrote:

Unless you're into the latest influx of bad pop rock, I personally would advise against it.

But then again, I'm the biggest music snob on the planet.

To each his own my man.

They don't fit into that category at all, so I guess I wonder whether you have even listened to them. What are you basing this on? When I think of bad pop (or pop punk, which is what I gather you mean), I think of Fall out Boy and Panic at the Disco. Rise Against has absolutely nothing in common with those bands.

Rise Against is quite political. They quote Daniel Quinn and Howard Zinn in their liner notes. They write quite a bit about the working class. All in all, I think they do a great job of it. The Sufferer and the Witness is my favorite album of theirs. In fact, it was one of my top 5 albums of the year last year. Outstanding from start to finish.

Gary Carter

sapperskunk wrote:

Unless you're into the latest influx of bad pop rock, I personally would advise against it.

But then again, I'm the biggest music snob on the planet.

To each his own my man.

i love when people talk out of there fucking ass's on here. rise against are the most not pop band out there, there anti-war and bout anti every thing else, there for animal rights too. i saw these guys open up for life agony before there were nobodys years ago

sapperskunk

metsfan531941 wrote:

i love when people talk out of there fucking ass's on here. rise against are the most not pop band out there, there anti-war and bout anti every thing else, there for animal rights too. i saw these guys open up for life agony before there were nobodys years ago

Yeah, cause I don't know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

Isn't green day anti-war also? And aren't they teeny bop pop rock?

If this guys looking for a political message with his music, he can do a lot better than these kids.

Listening to cookie cutter, dime a dozen bands is no way to go through life, you should get out more. There's a whole world of music out there, you just have to peel yourself away from popular trends and Mtv.

facepollution

sapperskunk wrote:

Yeah, cause I don't know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

Isn't green day anti-war also? And aren't they teeny bop pop rock?

If this guys looking for a political message with his music, he can do a lot better than these kids.

Listening to cookie cutter, dime a dozen bands is no way to go through life, you should get out more. There's a whole world of music out there, you just have to peel yourself away from popular trends and Mtv.

dude they really aren't as bad as you're saying, I'm not sying they are ultra original, but they have strong principles and write decent melodies. the video for their song Ready to fall is really good too, check it out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmoB2svMld8

chris01

The only song ive heard of theirs is Swing Life Away, its nothing new in terms of genre/style, but i think ill probably get the album cause i quite like that one.

sapperskunk

facepollution wrote:

dude they really aren't as bad as you're saying, I'm not sying they are ultra original, but they have strong principles and write decent melodies. the video for their song Ready to fall is really good too, check it out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmoB2svMld8

Atleast you can see they're obviously not original. I hope they truly believe those principles an aren't just cashing in on the likes of impressionable angst filled youth.

Good video.

Gary Carter

sapperskunk wrote:

Yeah, cause I don't know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

Isn't green day anti-war also? And aren't they teeny bop pop rock?

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green day are not anti-war, they said they are to make the $$$. rise against have been anti-war every since they started out. oh btw there music videos arent even played on trl, trl is too pc for them.and yes they truly believe those principles

Pearl Jam and toast

They're allright.

facepollution

metsfan531941 wrote:

green day are not anti-war, they said they are to make the $$$

um and you would know that how?! personal friend of the band I take it!

ledvedderman

I'm pretty sure "Holiday" shows that Green Day is anti-war...

Gary Carter

facepollution wrote:

um and you would know that how?! personal friend of the band I take it!

dude look at there past cds, it was all bout life and love and stuff, no metion of politics until american idiot

Pearl Jam and toast

metsfan531941 wrote:

dude look at there past cds, it was all bout life and love and stuff, no metion of politics until american idiot

exactly.

Along with a complete image makeover to sell themselves to the Fuse TV crowd they also jumped on the political bandwagon.

Gary Carter

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

exactly.

Along with a complete image makeover to sell themselves to the Fuse TV crowd they also jumped on the political bandwagon.

exactly.i respect rise against alot more then gd cause rise against havent made a fake political cd at all.they always have been political

No_ones_rival

Rise against is the only new school punk band I can stand

facepollution

metsfan531941 wrote:

dude look at there past cds, it was all bout life and love and stuff, no metion of politics until american idiot

dude they're all pushing 35 so it's natural that they are writing about different things, and pretty much EVERYONE is more into politics now after 9/11, the 'war on terror', and the general way Bush and co are fucking with the world. Like I've said to other people, American Idiot was a huge gamble for the band, it came out at a time when American patriotism had hit fever-pitch, it could well have bombed. I'm not saying everybody should love the band or that album, but it's success was largely due to the fact that people could identify with the simplified message the band was trying to push, which wasn't just about politics, but was a general 'stand up for your rights' message. It's no wonder a new generation of kids have taken to them so much, because they are giving them a positive message that it doesn't matter what other people think about you. In that sense I don't see it as being any different from how I fell for bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains etc when I was young and impressionable - they were just as commercial in the hey day, yet they still had strong beliefs which I identified with. I think a lot of people can't see past the way Green Day's music and image has been manipulated by the media and companies that want to trade off it, which isn't entirely their fault. And lastly, the band shifted enough copies of Dookie to never have to work again, so money was hardly their main priority.

Gary Carter

facepollution wrote:

dude they're all pushing 35 so it's natural that they are writing about different things, and pretty much EVERYONE is more into politics now after 9/11, the 'war on terror', and the general way Bush and co are fucking with the world.

right it is natural but they have never showed a ounce of politicls in them ever, thats my main problem. why now when everyone hates bush, why didnt they make poilitcal music all along

facepollution wrote:

I think a lot of people can't see past the way Green Day's music and image has been manipulated by the media and companies that want to trade off it, which isn't entirely their fault.

it is there fault, look at dookie and how much back-lash they got from real punk rock bands up in the sf area.they wanted to cash in the big check and to me if u say your punk rock and then sign with a major company thats not punk rock thats selling out. there first 2 cds are awsome. i love american idiot, i think its a great cd, but it was marketed to 14-16 who shop at hot topic and dont have a clue bout politicls

Dick Jones

I heard a song last night, a video actually, and I turned it off.

facepollution

metsfan531941 wrote:

right it is natural but they have never showed a ounce of politicls in them ever, thats my main problem. why now when everyone hates bush, why didnt they make poilitcal music all along

it is there fault, look at dookie and how much back-lash they got from real punk rock bands up in the sf area.they wanted to cash in the big check and to me if u say your punk rock and then sign with a major company thats not punk rock thats selling out. there first 2 cds are awsome. i love american idiot, i think its a great cd, but it was marketed to 14-16 who shop at hot topic and dont have a clue bout politicls

Mate your argument lost seriously credibility when you uttered the dreaded words 'selling out'. You're only 'selling out' if you do something that goes against your own beliefs, fuck punk purists, ther're as dumb as Bush and co - punk is standing up for your beliefs, period. All the things you are saying about AI and how it was marketed came AFTER they recorded the music on it. Seriously I hate the way people bash young kids for being into popular rock, of course you'll get the scene kids who are into whatever's popular, just as there were people like that back in the early 90's with PJ, AIC etc. BUT there are also people who appreciate the music for what it is. Only like two songs on the album address politics overtly anyway, a song like Jesus of Suburbia is basically a social commentary about disaffected youth, just the same as a song like She was from Dookie.

Why not write about politics anyway? Social commentary has never been that far from the band (She, Minority) and since 9/11 plenty of bands' music has been a reaction to those things - just because Green Day seemed like less likely candidates to write about those things, doesn't mean they are singing about things they don't understand or haven't researched - and like I said before, you can't sing about failed relationships and masturbation forever. Hell, I wasn't that interested in politics before 9/11, but the fall-out from that has been huge and it's now kind of unavoidable.

Pearl Jam and toast

facepollution wrote:

Mate your argument lost seriously credibility when you uttered the dreaded words 'selling out'. You're only 'selling out' if you do something that goes against your own beliefs, fuck punk purists, ther're as dumb as Bush and co - punk is standing up for your beliefs, period. All the things you are saying about AI and how it was marketed came AFTER they recorded the music on it. Seriously I hate the way people bash young kids for being into popular rock, of course you'll get the scene kids who are into whatever's popular, just as there were people like that back in the early 90's with PJ, AIC etc. BUT there are also people who appreciate the music for what it is. Only like two songs on the album address politics overtly anyway, a song like Jesus of Suburbia is basically a social commentary about disaffected youth, just the same as a song like She was from Dookie.

Why not write about politics anyway? Social commentary has never been that far from the band (She, Minority) and since 9/11 plenty of bands' music has been a reaction to those things - just because Green Day seemed like less likely candidates to write about those things, doesn't mean they are singing about things they don't understand or haven't researched - and like I said before, you can't sing about failed relationships and masturbation forever. Hell, I wasn't that interested in politics before 9/11, but the fall-out from that has been huge and it's now kind of unavoidable.

Now I'm all for disbanning the use of the term "selling out"... or at least I was.. until Green Day defined it to the teeth.

boroff89

metsfan531941 wrote:

exactly.i respect rise against alot more then gd cause rise against havent made a fake political cd at all.they always have been political

Have you actually read Green Day lyrics before American Idiot? They have always been socially conscious. Welcome to Paradise is a great example off of Dookie. Minority is a more recent example. That American Idiot had a stronger political bent should hardly have been surprising, and I am quite sure that their feelings and their lyrics are sincere. However, as I pointed out when American Idiot came out and we were discussing it here, there are really only a couple of songs on American Idiot that are "political" in the way people are speaking of here. Holiday. American Idiot. The rest of the songs deal far more with the ills of our society and the sense of confusion felt by so many following the events of 9/11. It's a great fucking album, and if it inspired teens to actually give a shit about the world, all the better. I am sure if somebody asked Tim from Rise Against about Green Day, he'd say the same thing.

Pearl Jam and toast

boroff89 wrote:

Have you actually read Green Day lyrics before American Idiot? They have always been socially conscious. Welcome to Paradise is a great example off of Dookie. Minority is a more recent example. That American Idiot had a stronger political bent should hardly have been surprising, and I am quite sure that their feelings and their lyrics are sincere. However, as I pointed out when American Idiot came out and we were discussing it here, there are really only a couple of songs on American Idiot that are "political" in the way people are speaking of here. Holiday. American Idiot. The rest of the songs deal far more with the ills of our society and the sense of confusion felt by so many following the events of 9/11. It's a great fucking album, and if it inspired teens to actually give a shit about the world, all the better. I am sure if somebody asked Tim from Rise Against about Green Day, he'd say the same thing.

Actually I'd have to agree with this. Even the part about it being a good album.

But seriously, they sold themselves BIG TIME. I can't respect them.

boroff89

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Actually I'd have to agree with this. Even the part about it being a good album.

But seriously, they sold themselves BIG TIME. I can't respect them.

I understand. As much as I love American Idiot, I got tired of it, and the overcommercialization of it started detracting from its message. What really got to me was Wake Me Up When September Ends being done as an anti-war video when Billie Joe had said the song was inspired by the death of his father.

Gary Carter

boroff89 wrote:

Have you actually read Green Day lyrics before American Idiot? They have always been socially conscious. Welcome to Paradise is a great example off of Dookie. Minority is a more recent example. That American Idiot had a stronger political bent should hardly have been surprising, and I am quite sure that their feelings and their lyrics are sincere. However, as I pointed out when American Idiot came out and we were discussing it here, there are really only a couple of songs on American Idiot that are "political" in the way people are speaking of here. Holiday. American Idiot. The rest of the songs deal far more with the ills of our society and the sense of confusion felt by so many following the events of 9/11. It's a great fucking album, and if it inspired teens to actually give a shit about the world, all the better. I am sure if somebody asked Tim from Rise Against about Green Day, he'd say the same thing.

yes i have actually, i saw the band when they were on the warped tour when they werent popular. welcome to pardise to me is bout the underworld that is the punk scene and how its some people pardise, but thats neither here or there.i respect billy joe as singer and songwriter alot more then other people in the biz today. i just am turned off by the whole why be anti-war now, why didnt they write anti-war songs back in the 90s or bash bill in the 90s. why do they feel need to jump on the bash bush bandwagon.right it did inspired teens to give a shit, but to give a shit bout there views. i like american idiot alot

Gary Carter

facepollution wrote:

Mate your argument lost seriously credibility when you uttered the dreaded words 'selling out'. You're only 'selling out' if you do something that goes against your own beliefs, fuck punk purists, ther're as dumb as Bush and co - punk is standing up for your beliefs, period.

no i didnt look at there first 2 cds, no one knew who the fuck they were. then comes along a big record company and offers them a contract and BAM 10 million cds, there fucking rich THATS SELLING OUT.yeah and greenday did go against there own beliefs by siging that big deal.no dont fuck the punk purist, because if u say your punk that believe in what punk bands like fugazi and nofx and pennywise believe in.

facepollution

metsfan531941 wrote:

no i didnt look at there first 2 cds, no one knew who the fuck they were. then comes along a big record company and offers them a contract and BAM 10 million cds, there fucking rich THATS SELLING OUT.yeah and greenday did go against there own beliefs by siging that big deal.no dont fuck the punk purist, because if u say your punk that believe in what punk bands like fugazi and nofx and pennywise believe in.

They aren't the punk purists. The punk purists are the people who think that there is some set mould for the term 'punk' - there isn't, it's about standing up for your beliefs. I don't for a second think signing to a major label is selling out. Unless that major label has any bearing on the creative imput of their music then there is nothing wrong with it. All it means is that they have better promotion, distribution, money for better producers etc. Many bands end up breaking up because they slum it on tiny indie labels and ultimately can't make a living out of it. To then be offered a major label deal means you can actually stay as a band. I have a friend in a band, he's been playing for years now, and for ages he lived by the whole 'major labels suck' rule, but five years of doing a shitty day job on top of touring etc, has left him begging for a major label contract. Anyway how would YOU know if GD went against their own beliefs?!