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stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
edited June 2007 in Other Music
Anybody else like these guys?...I think they are pretty good. I only had Lifeblood, Holy Bible and Everything Must Go until recently.

What do you think of them?
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  • zircona1zircona1 Posts: 293
    The Holy Bible is one of my favorite albums ever. The energy and lyrics are fantastic. '4st 7lb' might be the best song ever written about anorexia.

    Everything Must Go is good as well.

    I also have Forever Delayed, which is their Greatest Hits album, and that has lots of great stuff.
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  • Housing JimHousing Jim Posts: 644
    They were great until about 10 years ago...now they're utterly awful.

    Their show at Manchester Academy just after Everything Must Go came out in 1996 is still one of the best shows I've ever been to...they were amazing that night.

    It's a long time since I listened to any of even their earlier records though....they've lost everything which made them great, the rawness, the agression...it's long gone.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    The music they made when Richey Edwards was in the band was utterly brilliant. when he disappeared... not so much. Everything Must Go is pretty good but Richey wrote a good chunk of the songs on it.

    Generation Terrorists and The Holy Bible are two of the best british albums of the 90s (The Holy Bible is one of the best of all time actually)
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
    zircona1 wrote:
    The Holy Bible is one of my favorite albums ever. The energy and lyrics are fantastic. '4st 7lb' might be the best song ever written about anorexia.

    Everything Must Go is good as well.

    I also have Forever Delayed, which is their Greatest Hits album, and that has lots of great stuff.


    Holy Bible is amazing, I agree...it was the first record of theirs I bought.
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,557
    yes

    I saw them in 2004

    and im seeing them in may :)

    should be good again



    im not too sure on the new stuff i have heard
  • ArctangentArctangent Posts: 614
    they are pretty damn good live still.

    they may have lost that early raw edge (although how anyone can claim that gold against the soul is raw i don't know as it was slick, polished and over-produced) but hey - bands change. i was initailly disappointed with lifeblood but its a subtle set of songs that need time to make their mark.

    this is my truth tell me your and know your enemy are good albums, severything must go is a superb album and the holy bible is even better. i would recommend that to anyone wanting to hear honest music written with passion and soul. however, no band could make an album like that more than once in their careers and hope to carry on.

    lipstick traces: a secret history shouldn't be overlooked as it contains some real classic preachers too.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    Being a fan since getting "everything must go". Was very dissapointed with their last album . why did they use them aweful synth's?

    Really liking the new single with Nina.
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Arctangent wrote:

    lipstick traces: a secret history shouldn't be overlooked as it contains some real classic preachers too.
    yeah, why the hell didn't democracy coma make generation terrorists? and sculpture of man is a great song but probably wouldn't have fit on the Holy Bible.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • pirlo21pirlo21 Posts: 534
    Was a big fan till just after 'This Is My Truth...'.
    Awesome live band, seen them 3 times so far. Including Millennium Stadium, Cardiff 31st Dec, 1999 !
    James Dean Bradfield is a very under-rated guitarist in my book. His live performances of 'This Is Yesterday' on acoustic guitar is amazing. Sounds like a 12 string.
    Not been a massive fan of their most recent stuff, but still going to see them in May.
    James Dean Bradfield's solo album is worth picking up too.
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  • rockpantsrockpants Posts: 838
    Lifeblood is a fantastic album. While they do liberally borrow from other artists (you can practically sing Bowie's "Let's Dance" over the bass-led melody in "Always/Never") the songs are all well-crafted with pop hooks - not as obnoxiously hooky as the metal riffs on GATS, and I mean obnoxious in a good way - and tightly produced. It's kind of 80's in a way, but in a U2/Talk Talk way; the synths aren't like Flock of Seagulls-type tacky synths, they are tasteful and they don't overwhelm the song. 1985 is one of the most solid songs I've heard, and the solo is awesome (JDB is most definitely underrated as a guitar player). The lyrics for that tune are also some of Nicky's finest.
    Can't wait for the new album ... and I can't wait until I can save up enough money to go to the UK to see them. :p

    I think it commonly goes like this: If a person was a fan before Richey disappeared, they don't like much past EMG. If a person became a fan after or in 1996, they don't tend to dislike the latter material as much as the older fans do. I was very young when MSP got big in the UK and while I remember hearing about them through tidbits in magazines, I never heard them until '98 (like most people in my country and generation) and I admittedly fit into the second profile.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    If you tolerate this your children will be next!


    Its so bizaare that guy disappeared. Was their any guesses of what happened to him?
  • MJSB74MJSB74 Posts: 75
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    The music they made when Richey Edwards was in the band was utterly brilliant. when he disappeared... not so much. Everything Must Go is pretty good but Richey wrote a good chunk of the songs on it.

    Generation Terrorists and The Holy Bible are two of the best british albums of the 90s (The Holy Bible is one of the best of all time actually)

    Entirely correct. The Manics were quite simply, brilliant. Holy Bible is a masterpiece, pure and simple. Thay now suck donkey balls. Still great live though....
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    MJSB74 wrote:
    Entirely correct. The Manics were quite simply, brilliant. Holy Bible is a masterpiece, pure and simple. Thay now suck donkey balls. Still great live though....
    While it isn't my favourite album ever (although it is one of them), I can't think of another album that actually made me think "oh my fucking god, this is incredible" in the way that The Holy Bible did. Richey was just beautiful, visually and emotionally (and I'm a straight guy :D). Songs like 4st 7lb and This is Yesterday make me want to cry.

    "The only way to gain approval is by exploiting the very thing that cheapens me"

    - pretty much sums up Richey entirely.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
    Been listening to the Preachers alot, so I figured I'd bump this!
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • see_the_worldsee_the_world Posts: 172
    Listening to the new album right now. It's excellent, and those disappointed with Lifeblood (not me) will like the fact the guitars are turned right back up and the synths have been ditched. It's kind of Everything Must Go crossed with some of the impossible ambition of Generation Terrorists. Listen out for The Second Great Depression, Imperial Bodybags, Indian Summer and Autumnsong. And I say all that as a fan since Motown Junk.

    I think the Astoria show in May is going to be something rather special (first time back there since their final gigs with Richey in 1994).
    If I knew where it was, I would take you there...
  • zircona1zircona1 Posts: 293
    Do these guys hate the United States? I know some of their lyrics are really critical of U.S. policies (like Ifwhiteamericatolditstruth...). Have they ever toured the U.S.?

    Just wondering if any of you across the pond knew, I have no problem with it, the music's great and that's all that matters.
    "As long as the music's loud enough, we won't hear the world falling apart."—Jubilee

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  • see_the_worldsee_the_world Posts: 172
    I don't think they've had much luck with touring in the US. They did a few dates back in 1992, a big tour in 1996, and they played over there in 1999 (they were supposed to be supporting Oasis but they cancelled so the Manics did some shows of their own). I don't think they've been back since though.

    Eight years! That's even longer than we had to wait for Pearl Jam!
    If I knew where it was, I would take you there...
  • pirlo21pirlo21 Posts: 534
    I think 'Gold Against The Soul' is very a under-rated album. I suppose it gets lost in the list of 'Generation Terrorists', 'Holy Bible', 'Everything Must Go'...
    But any album that includes 'Life Becoming A Landslide', 'Roses In A Hospital', 'La Tristesse Durera' and my personal favourite 'From Despair To Where' is class in my opinion.
    The lyric:
    "My idea of love comes from, a childhood glimpse of pornography. Though there is no true love, just a finely tuned jealousy" from 'Life Becoming A Landslide' is just genius.

    I like the new album too. Very much back on form. I'm off to see them on Saturday. It'll be my 4th Manics gig, they haven't let me down yet!
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Really like Motorcycle Emptiness, Design for Life, and the latest one with Nina. That said, I've never picked up an album or anything.

    I really just wanted to say that a year or so ago, one of my friends, out of the blue, sang: "And if you sodomise this, then your children will be next." I laughed until I stopped.
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  • jack_bass_playerjack_bass_player Posts: 1,126
    seeing them this sunday :D
    2006 - Astoria, Dublin, Leeds
    2007 - London
    2009 - London, Manchester, London
    2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
    2011 - Alpine Valley x2
    2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
  • jamie ukjamie uk Posts: 3,812
    pirlo21 wrote:
    I think 'Gold Against The Soul' is very a under-rated album. I suppose it gets lost in the list of 'Generation Terrorists', 'Holy Bible', 'Everything Must Go'...
    But any album that includes 'Life Becoming A Landslide', 'Roses In A Hospital', 'La Tristesse Durera' and my personal favourite 'From Despair To Where' is class in my opinion.
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    Bang on pal, it's my fav' Manics album. I saw them 2 weeks ago in Cardiff, for the 5th time-they are still excellent. I loved Lifeblood also,real class. Once, around 2 years ago, I ended up standing behind Nick, his wife and their baby in a que in Boots the chemist-twas quite a surreal moment for me, he looked, I smiled,he nodded politely, just like any other bloke would have. We didn't speak, I thought it would have been rude to intrude on his day. Plus I was holding a bottle of laxative drink, you don't want to meet your heroes that way. I got the distinct feeling that his wife wasn't as comfortable with the situation as he was, he just seemed like the most ordinary bloke on the planet. Great, great band.
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • brain_of_jbrain_of_j Posts: 5
    Why has no-one mentioned the new album? It's fantastic. Only problem? It's too short. My drummer got me into them properly about a year ago, they are a fantastic band. I don't know who mentioned it earlier, but James Dean Bradfield's solo album is well worth hearing. It's called The Great Western, and you all have got to find it and buy it! It's my favourite album at the moment, it sits together so well and doesn't have a single weak moment. In fact, I'm going to listen to it now :-D

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  • Duff_ManDuff_Man Posts: 150
    jack_bass_player wrote:
    seeing them this sunday :D

    yeah i went too

    born to end was a fuckin' treat, and an acoustic version of yes

    definately one of the better manics gigs ive went too in my time

    were you the dude in the black pj shirt ?
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  • see_the_worldsee_the_world Posts: 172
    Really looking forward to the Astoria tomorrow night. They seem to really have their appetite back, so hopefully they'll pull out all the stops back at the venue where they played their last gigs with Richey.

    If they could find a spot in the set for Stay Beautiful I'd be very happy... bust out So Dead and I'll explode :-)
    If I knew where it was, I would take you there...
  • jack_bass_playerjack_bass_player Posts: 1,126
    Duff_Man wrote:

    were you the dude in the black pj shirt ?


    nah i was wearing white

    i saw about 5 pj shirts tho! nice to see :D
    2006 - Astoria, Dublin, Leeds
    2007 - London
    2009 - London, Manchester, London
    2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
    2011 - Alpine Valley x2
    2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
  • ArctangentArctangent Posts: 614
    zircona1 wrote:
    Do these guys hate the United States? I know some of their lyrics are really critical of U.S. policies (like Ifwhiteamericatolditstruth...). Have they ever toured the U.S.?

    Just wondering if any of you across the pond knew, I have no problem with it, the music's great and that's all that matters.

    they didn't/don't like ceratin aspects of american politics and lifestyle. i don't think they dislike americans per-se anymore than they dislike anyone else.

    i doubt they will ever be able to tour the states again though - they went to cuba and performed for castro, who famously said they were louder than war!
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,557
    yeh i think they are good.

    Im going to see them in 2 days :)

    last time i saw them was on their lifeblood tour in 2004 @ wembley :)

    new album is good, better than lifeblood
  • SoupySoupy Posts: 171
    Generation Terrorists - 5/10
    Gold Against The Soul - 7/10
    Holy Bible - 9/10
    Everything Must Go - 8/10
    This Is My Truth - 1/10
    Know Your Enemy - 6/10
    Lifeblood - 7/10
    Send Away The Tigers - 8/10.

    Been a fan for many a year (since Gold Against..), great band alot of Crap written about Richie but the truth of the matter is he only wrote the lyrics he had nothing do to with the music. Richie and Nicky write the lyrics and James and Sean write the music - The only change is sometimes since 'Know Your Enemy' James write some lyrics. Both he and Nicky released solo albums last year I'd give both 6/10 i think worthy purchases to any fan.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    what do you all think happened to the member who disappeared?
  • ArctangentArctangent Posts: 614
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    what do you all think happened to the member who disappeared?

    there have been alledged sightings of ritchie all over the world but given the state of mind he was in, i believe that unfortunately he took his own life. i hope i'm wrong though.

    whatever happened, i hope he has found peace, wherever he is.
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