Frusciante, Mayer and Trucks...

Mike_Muse_Rage

fleahorse wrote:

one note this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCvZgxeMNDE

Read what I said again. That is one of the occasions where I'd say that that is fairly impressive. He's not doing anything especially interesting; some of those minor scale hammer-ons and pull-offs were quite cool but those are some tried and tested pentatonic licks that he overuses.

ianvomsaal

fleahorse wrote:

one note this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCvZgxeMNDE

Hmmm, I'm NOT all that impressed - the title of this says "amazing," so I was expecting something
a bit more. He's just playing some (yes, over-used) pentatonic licks - nothing all that special there.

- Ian

Anon

ianvomsaal wrote:

Hmmm, I'm NOT all that impressed - the title of this says "amazing," so I was expecting something
a bit more. He's just playing some (yes, over-used) pentatonic licks - nothing all that special there.

- Ian

This dude likes the penatonic scale, too, and he's so good I think most people would blow him if given the opportunity.

If you're good, you're just good. I mean, right? This is how I always looked at it. Also, what is so different about guitarists using the pentatonic scale or if they write a Am-G-F chord progression? Are All Along The Watchtower, Crazy Mary and the end of Stairway bad because they use that progression?

SRV didn't have a whole lot of variety to him and he was fucking fantastic. It's not the notes you play, but how you play them.

scot88

Pj_Gurl wrote:

This dude likes the penatonic scale, too, and he's so good I think most people would blow him if given the opportunity.

i know i sure would

but seriously, i love warren.

ianvomsaal

Pj_Gurl wrote:

This dude likes the penatonic scale, too, and he's so good I think most people would blow him if given the opportunity.

If you're good, you're just good. I mean, right? This is how I always looked at it. Also, what is so different about guitarists using the pentatonic scale or if they write a Am-G-F chord progression? Are All Along The Watchtower, Crazy Mary and the end of Stairway bad because they use that progression?

SRV didn't have a whole lot of variety to him and he was fucking fantastic. It's not the notes you play, but how you play them.

Warren Haynes is a really great player, and he's got a quite original sound (and he's even better now).
There's nothing wrong with using pentatonic scales (shit, I use them all the time) - it's about originality.
SRV was very original in his approach, and all those muted up-strokes in his rhythm are difficult to do "well.”
I mentioned Frus's "over-used" pentatonic licks, meaning "unoriginal" because so many people use those same "over-used" licks.
Plus the title of the video said "amazing,” which it really wasn't - I knew I'd irk a few Frusciante fans, that's cool

- Ian

Anon

ianvomsaal wrote:

Warren Haynes is a really great player, and he's got a quite original sound (and he's even better now).
There's nothing wrong with using pentatonic scales (shit, I use them all the time) - it's about originality.
SRV was very original in his approach, and all those muted up-strokes in his rhythm are difficult to do "well.”
I mentioned Frus's "over-used" pentatonic licks, meaning "unoriginal" because so many people use those same "over-used" licks.
Plus the title of the video said "amazing,” which it really wasn't - I knew I'd irk a few Frusciante fans, that's cool

- Ian

you didn't irk me:), i respect your opinions, and i also realize that, whilst you are a rather awesome musician, you can't be right all the time hehe smile...

Anon

derek trucks is fucking mind-boggling.

ianvomsaal

Pj_Gurl wrote:

you didn't irk me:), i respect your opinions, and i also realize that, whilst you are a rather awesome musician, you can't be right all the time hehe smile...

Naaa, I'm always right, (didn't you know that ~hehe, snicker, snicker)

MichaelMcKevin

GlorifiedAnimal wrote:

derek trucks is fucking mind-boggling.

I think Trucks is a bit better than Mayer, and both are pretty far above Frusciante. I've tried but never gotten into Frusciante.

scot88

GivenToCarve wrote:

I think Trucks is a bit better than Mayer, and both are pretty far above Frusciante. I've tried but never gotten into Frusciante.

The way i feel is this: Mayer plays on a level that i could (possibly) achieve if i locked myself in a room for a year or so and did nothing else but play. Derek Trucks, on the other hand, has that "x" factor, where no matter how much you practice, you could never achieve his level.

MichaelMcKevin

scot88 wrote:

The way i feel is this: Mayer plays on a level that i could (possibly) achieve if i locked myself in a room for a year or so and did nothing else but play. Derek Trucks, on the other hand, has that "x" factor, where no matter how much you practice, you could never achieve his level.

I agree about that X factor but I think Mayer has one of his own, maybe not as significant though. If this doesn't sell you on John Mayer, nothing will. I love his playing on this tune (at least from 2:40 on once you get past the sissy pop shit) and I'm not even really a fan of him overall. I love his ability but not a big fan of his choices in songwriting.

Lots of dynamics, originality, and feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhYwZePFY7o

keeponrockin

Mayer's got talent as a songwriter as well.

MichaelMcKevin

keeponrockin wrote:

Mayer's got talent as a songwriter as well.

I agree. It's just not my style though.

Trailer

That was cool! All are great guitarists in their own way. Trucks is probably the best player, but the worst songwriter. Frusciante is probably the least technical, but I dig his recordings way more than the other two. It's my theory that "sloppier" players are generally better in the studio. It's less mechanic and the engineer is more likely to capture magic after sifting through the takes. That's the thing though, it takes more takes because they aren't nailing it on the first time. I consider Jimmy Page to be another "sloppy" guitarist. Of course they are still guitar gods and have good chops... it's just that they aren't playing the "Berklee" style of music-- shredding scales flawlessly with little emotion.

stylo17

well i heard Frusciante beat them BOTH at Guitar Hero III.