Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
And Matt...he played on You Are for the Riot Act album.
Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Didnt Brendan Obrien add some keys when he worked with them.
A session guitarist wouldnt be that bad a thing if for some reason there was a guy that was really proficient at a certain style.
For instance, John Paul Jones could play piano, but Boogie with Stu was played and inspired by Rolling Stones studio manager Ian Stewart, who was a boogie-woogie piano virtuoso. I dont think somethin like that is a big deal really. Somethin like that is much less likely to happen with guitar though.
I recorded a tune with them in "96, so I guess the answer is yup.
Doesn't mean anything though - tons of people use session players for this or that.
It doesn't mean that the artist using a session artist can't play.
Maybe the artist just wants a different sound, feeling, or perspective.
Maybe they just want someone with fresh ears to hit the tune.
Or maybe they want to do a live room recording, and need another pair of hands to get the sound they want.
And it doesn't mean that they won't be able to play it live later on (like on tour).
Think about all the sounds you hear on albums that aren't there live - a lot of little things aren't there.
It's really rare to span 8 albums and not hear something done by someone other than a band member.
I recorded a tune with them in "96, so I guess the answer is yup.
Doesn't mean anything though - tons of people use session players for this or that.
It doesn't mean that the artist using a session artist can't play.
Maybe the artist just wants a different sound, feeling, or perspective.
Maybe they just want someone with fresh ears to hit the tune.
Or maybe they want to do a live room recording, and need another pair of hands to get the sound they want.
And it doesn't mean that they won't be able to play it live later on (like on tour).
Think about all the sounds you hear on albums that aren't there live - a lot of little things aren't there.
It's really rare to span 8 albums and not hear something done by someone other than a band member.
- Ian
Hey Ian,
Just wondering what song it was.
Camden I '06, Camden II '06, Bonnaroo '08, Camden I '08, Camden II '08, Philly Spectrum II/III/IV '09, MSG I '10, MSG II '10, Made In America '12, Wrigley '13, Brooklyn II '13, Philly I '13, Philly II '13, ...
"There are teams that are fair-haired,and those that aren't so fair-haired.Some teams are named Smith,some Grabowski. We're Grabowskis."-Mike Ditka, January 1986
everytime i have to take a crap i sing EVACUATION!!!
EVACUATION!!
"i'll let you be in my dream if i can be in your dream." -b.dylan
Maybe the artist just wants a different sound, feeling, or perspective.
Maybe they just want someone with fresh ears to hit the tune.
Or maybe they want to do a live room recording, and need another pair of hands to get the sound they want.
- Ian
Or maybe they were always too wasted and facing a recording deadline
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
did i just hear that right? You recorded with pearl jam?
Okay, I've been in the studio all day, and I'm tired (it's 4:45am). Soo, instead of going over this
again and again I'll just give you a link to where I answered the same question (for the ? time).
I think it's #10 http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=250409
Cheers . . .
Okay, I've been in the studio all day, and I'm tired (it's 4:45am). Soo, instead of going over this
again and again I'll just give you a link to where I answered the same question (for the ? time).
I think it's #10 http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=250409
Cheers . . .
- Ian C.T. vom Saal
that's nuts!!
i'd love to hear the entire in-depth story, but i'm sure you are sick of telling it. but besides, brendon obrien on present tense, i don't think they used seession guitarists during any studio albums. and the obrien thing was more of a "guest" guitar, because mike, stone, and ed still played, just with the addition of brendon.
2006: Hartford
2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
2011: Ed Solo Hartford
2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
that's nuts!!
i'd love to hear the entire in-depth story, but i'm sure you are sick of telling it. but besides, brendon obrien on present tense, i don't think they used seession guitarists during any studio albums. and the obrien thing was more of a "guest" guitar, because mike, stone, and ed still played, just with the addition of brendon.
I still don't think I have all of their albums, so I couldn't tell you. Maybe that's something I should get around to
(they all played in our session), though I think Mike was a bit wasted at the time - he kinda looked like crap, and
he didn't really seem like he was completely with us (disconnected) - or maybe he was just going through some shit.
Okay, I've been in the studio all day, and I'm tired (it's 4:45am). Soo, instead of going over this
again and again I'll just give you a link to where I answered the same question (for the ? time).
I think it's #10 http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=250409
Cheers . . .
- Ian C.T. vom Saal
this is like a riddle.. the link gives a partial story and then suggests "searching" for the rest. lol
cheers
"There are teams that are fair-haired,and those that aren't so fair-haired.Some teams are named Smith,some Grabowski. We're Grabowskis."-Mike Ditka, January 1986
everytime i have to take a crap i sing EVACUATION!!!
EVACUATION!!
"i'll let you be in my dream if i can be in your dream." -b.dylan
this is like a riddle.. the link gives a partial story and then suggests "searching" for the rest. lol
cheers
Sorry, don't mean it to be a riddle.
I've just recounted my experience a bunch of times already, and I'm tired of re-typing it over and over every time it gets brought up.
has it been asked what gear you actually used when you did record? and what gear they were using? If so, you don't have to answer, I will search, if not, would you mind recounting just the gear part of it?
has it been asked what gear you actually used when you did record? and what gear they were using? If so, you don't have to answer, I will search, if not, would you mind recounting just the gear part of it?
Thanks
-Seth
guitars - mike was using a well worn sunburst strat, ed had a newer tele, stone used a lp standard, and i think jeff had a natural musicman.
amps - i believe mike was using an old marshall plexi and some other marshall, stone had an old brown fender combo and a matchless. i remember jeff having a big swr cab, and i think ed was playing through some kind of blackface combo.
effects - from what i remember mike had a crybaby, ts9, boss delay, and maybe i'm wrong but i think he had a phase100. stone had a wah, ts9, some kind of signal booster, and a volume pedal. i didn't really remember ed or jeff using pedals (as i think about it jeff might have been using some rack gear, and as i think more maybe a boss chorus pedal).
keep in mind that this was back in 1996, so i don't remember everything, but it really seemed like the band didn't want to be there (like they were burned out or just didn't give a shit) - they didn't talk much, jeff left the room a few times like he was pissed off (he was moody), and mike was flaky to say the least. stone was really the only one to seem like he gave a shit that he was there - to be completely honest it was all kind of a downer. i was thrilled to be working with them (because i liked ten), but that energy died fast once the session started.
anyhow, hope this answers some of your questions.
guitars - mike was using a well worn sunburst strat, ed had a newer tele, stone used a lp standard, and i think jeff had a natural musicman.
amps - i believe mike was using an old marshall plexi and some other marshall, stone had an old brown fender combo and a matchless. i remember jeff having a big swr cab, and i think ed was playing through some kind of blackface combo.
effects - from what i remember mike had a crybaby, ts9, boss delay, and maybe i'm wrong but i think he had a phase100. stone had a wah, ts9, some kind of signal booster, and a volume pedal. i didn't really remember ed or jeff using pedals (as i think about it jeff might have been using some rack gear, and as i think more maybe a boss chorus pedal).
keep in mind that this was back in 1996, so i don't remember everything, but it really seemed like the band didn't want to be there (like they were burned out or just didn't give a shit) - they didn't talk much, jeff left the room a few times like he was pissed off (he was moody), and mike was flaky to say the least. stone was really the only one to seem like he gave a shit that he was there - to be completely honest it was all kind of a downer. i was thrilled to be working with them (because i liked ten), but that energy died fast once the session started.
anyhow, hope this answers some of your questions.
- Ian
I dunno, please don't take this in the wrong way, but I can't help but take this with a gigantic grain of salt. This IS the internet, after all...
I guess the question in the back of mind is why would a band with three talented guitarists need to hire the services of a session guitarist? They're a band that pride themselves on being down to earth and not being "industry". I wouldn't blink twice at Nickelback using session musicians...but I don't quite buy that PJ would (unless it was just some kind of all-in jam session for kicks).
Sorry, don't mean it to be a riddle.
I've just recounted my experience a bunch of times already, and I'm tired of re-typing it over and over every time it gets brought up.
- Ian
Then don't bring it up;)
cool stuff though. I do recall seeing you mention this before
“I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version.”
Then don't bring it up;)
cool stuff though. I do recall seeing you mention this before
You guys are funny . . .
I actually didn't bring it up - this was originally posted by "Jackieboy".
Then "keeponrockin" said "ASK IAN" .
I just answered the question at hand - Yes they sometimes do.
Then more questions were asked, then more, and more.
I'm certainly not looking for anyone's approval on how I make a living. Spencer, conclusively, this is how I make my living - okay? cool?
Cheers . . .
You guys are funny . . .
I actually didn't bring it up - this was originally posted by "Jackieboy".
Then "keeponrockin" said "ASK IAN" .
I just answered the question at hand - Yes they sometimes do.
Then more questions were asked, then more, and more.
I'm certainly not looking for anyone's approval on how I make a living. Spencer, conclusively, this is how I make my living - okay? cool?
Cheers . . .
- Ian C.T. vom Saal
Sorry man, honestly didn't mean to annoy you in any way.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I dunno, please don't take this in the wrong way, but I can't help but take this with a gigantic grain of salt. This IS the internet, after all...
i'm not sure if you come into the gear forum much and read whats being posted, so please don't take this the wrong way .
you are dead right about it being the internet. no doubt some things should be taken with a grain of salt. you won't find too much convo in here about what color undies mike wears, which picture eddie looks hot in, which is the best PJ album for the 100th time this week, whether or not someone should do the neighbor :rolleyes: or how much the yankees suck.
those of us that post and who are musicians, don't find it too hard to work out who is genuine and who is not. i have absolutely no doubt that anything that ianvomsaal posts is on the money and straight up. there are tons of posts here where he has provided valuable help and assistance.
personally i think this forum is one lucky place to have someone with his talents and knowledge.
check out his myspace. he has done session work for plenty of good bands, not just pearl jam. click on the link and listen to 'for the love of vai.'
kinda hard to take talent like that with 'a grain of salt'.
Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
Jackieboy
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JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
A session guitarist wouldnt be that bad a thing if for some reason there was a guy that was really proficient at a certain style.
For instance, John Paul Jones could play piano, but Boogie with Stu was played and inspired by Rolling Stones studio manager Ian Stewart, who was a boogie-woogie piano virtuoso. I dont think somethin like that is a big deal really. Somethin like that is much less likely to happen with guitar though.
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
2003 - 11/2 (SYD1), 13/2 (SYD2), 14/2 (SYD3), 8/7 (MSG1), 9/7 (MSG2), 11/7 (BOS3)
2006 - 7/11 (SYD1), 8/11 (SYD2), 10/11 (BRIS1), 18/11 (SYD3)
2009 - 20/11 (MEL), 22/11 (SYD)
2011 - 18/3 (EVSYD1), 19/3 (EVSYD2), 24/3 (EVMEL1), 25/3 (EVMEL2)
2014 - 26/1 (BDOSYD)
Doesn't mean anything though - tons of people use session players for this or that.
It doesn't mean that the artist using a session artist can't play.
Maybe the artist just wants a different sound, feeling, or perspective.
Maybe they just want someone with fresh ears to hit the tune.
Or maybe they want to do a live room recording, and need another pair of hands to get the sound they want.
And it doesn't mean that they won't be able to play it live later on (like on tour).
Think about all the sounds you hear on albums that aren't there live - a lot of little things aren't there.
It's really rare to span 8 albums and not hear something done by someone other than a band member.
- Ian
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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Hey Ian,
Just wondering what song it was.
everytime i have to take a crap i sing EVACUATION!!!
EVACUATION!!
"i'll let you be in my dream if i can be in your dream." -b.dylan
Or maybe they were always too wasted and facing a recording deadline
again and again I'll just give you a link to where I answered the same question (for the ? time).
I think it's #10 http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=250409
Cheers . . .
- Ian C.T. vom Saal
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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that's nuts!!
i'd love to hear the entire in-depth story, but i'm sure you are sick of telling it. but besides, brendon obrien on present tense, i don't think they used seession guitarists during any studio albums. and the obrien thing was more of a "guest" guitar, because mike, stone, and ed still played, just with the addition of brendon.
2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
2011: Ed Solo Hartford
2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
(they all played in our session), though I think Mike was a bit wasted at the time - he kinda looked like crap, and
he didn't really seem like he was completely with us (disconnected) - or maybe he was just going through some shit.
- Ian
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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cheers
everytime i have to take a crap i sing EVACUATION!!!
EVACUATION!!
"i'll let you be in my dream if i can be in your dream." -b.dylan
I've just recounted my experience a bunch of times already, and I'm tired of re-typing it over and over every time it gets brought up.
- Ian
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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Thanks
-Seth
amps - i believe mike was using an old marshall plexi and some other marshall, stone had an old brown fender combo and a matchless. i remember jeff having a big swr cab, and i think ed was playing through some kind of blackface combo.
effects - from what i remember mike had a crybaby, ts9, boss delay, and maybe i'm wrong but i think he had a phase100. stone had a wah, ts9, some kind of signal booster, and a volume pedal. i didn't really remember ed or jeff using pedals (as i think about it jeff might have been using some rack gear, and as i think more maybe a boss chorus pedal).
keep in mind that this was back in 1996, so i don't remember everything, but it really seemed like the band didn't want to be there (like they were burned out or just didn't give a shit) - they didn't talk much, jeff left the room a few times like he was pissed off (he was moody), and mike was flaky to say the least. stone was really the only one to seem like he gave a shit that he was there - to be completely honest it was all kind of a downer. i was thrilled to be working with them (because i liked ten), but that energy died fast once the session started.
anyhow, hope this answers some of your questions.
- Ian
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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I dunno, please don't take this in the wrong way, but I can't help but take this with a gigantic grain of salt. This IS the internet, after all...
I guess the question in the back of mind is why would a band with three talented guitarists need to hire the services of a session guitarist? They're a band that pride themselves on being down to earth and not being "industry". I wouldn't blink twice at Nickelback using session musicians...but I don't quite buy that PJ would (unless it was just some kind of all-in jam session for kicks).
Then don't bring it up;)
cool stuff though. I do recall seeing you mention this before
I actually didn't bring it up - this was originally posted by "Jackieboy".
Then "keeponrockin" said "ASK IAN" .
I just answered the question at hand - Yes they sometimes do. Then more questions were asked, then more, and more.
I'm certainly not looking for anyone's approval on how I make a living.
Spencer, conclusively, this is how I make my living - okay? cool?
Cheers . . .
- Ian C.T. vom Saal
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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- Ian
<b><font color="red">CONTACT ME HERE</font>: www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal</b>
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you are dead right about it being the internet. no doubt some things should be taken with a grain of salt. you won't find too much convo in here about what color undies mike wears, which picture eddie looks hot in, which is the best PJ album for the 100th time this week, whether or not someone should do the neighbor :rolleyes: or how much the yankees suck.
those of us that post and who are musicians, don't find it too hard to work out who is genuine and who is not. i have absolutely no doubt that anything that ianvomsaal posts is on the money and straight up. there are tons of posts here where he has provided valuable help and assistance.
personally i think this forum is one lucky place to have someone with his talents and knowledge.
check out his myspace. he has done session work for plenty of good bands, not just pearl jam. click on the link and listen to 'for the love of vai.'
kinda hard to take talent like that with 'a grain of salt'.
http://www.myspace.com/ianvomsaal
*Heads for cover*
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
i get you. point taken.