Qestion about eddies range

leethal

Im a guitar player not a singer and i don't know a great deal of theory...

I've heard that most people have a vocal range of 2 and a half octaves. What is eddies range? I've heard eddie hit a low D (Dead Man) and a high A (In hiding) what is his range then?

HailHailVitalogy

he's deffinantly hit higher...i'm not a singer either so I don't know what his range is

enharmonic

Ed's a baritone with about 2.5 octaves of good voice. when I say good, I mean sounds that his voice will make without him having to push above his range. He has more notes, but they are not a natural part of his voice.

Dirty Mosquito

enharmonic wrote:

Ed's a baritone with about 2.5 octaves of good voice. when I say good, I mean sounds that his voice will make without him having to push above his range. He has more notes, but they are not a natural part of his voice.

So if I can hit every note that Eddie hits on all the songs and hit most of Chris Cornell's notes, would you say that that is pretty good? If I practive for at least a week I can sing along with Chris on Hands All Over, which is really tough for me to hit.

leethal

I aggree with what your saying about eddie having about 2.5 octaves of good voice. That makes sense.

Is it true then what i heard about the average person being capable of 2.5. Because to me it seems like eddie has a huge range (not compared to some obviously but compared to a non singer definitely) I just don't see how the average person with a baritone could sing in hiding. I suppose its not all about your range its more about your tone and your control etc

leethal

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

he's deffinantly hit higher...i'm not a singer either so I don't know what his range is

Do you know where? I agree with you but in hiding was the highest i could think of. But Dead Man im pretty sure is as low as he's been

DOSW

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

So if I can hit every note that Eddie hits on all the songs and hit most of Chris Cornell's notes, would you say that that is pretty good? If I practive for at least a week I can sing along with Chris on Hands All Over, which is really tough for me to hit.

Slaves and Bulldozers is a cakewalk for me.

Dirty Mosquito

DOSW wrote:

Slaves and Bulldozers is a cakewalk for me.

Awesome song! I loved that band. I tell you, I am not a great singer, but I have a lot of potential.. I swear if I just quite smoking and practiced more...id be so much better.

DOSW

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

Awesome song! I loved that band. I tell you, I am not a great singer, but I have a lot of potential.. I swear if I just quite smoking and practiced more...id be so much better.

Definitely. But I feel like gouging my ears out when I even *think* of me trying to hit some of those notes. I'm not a good singer at all. It's not like I'm trying to get better though, so I shouldn't complain.

Dirty Mosquito

DOSW wrote:

Definitely. But I feel like gouging my ears out when I even *think* of me trying to hit some of those notes. I'm not a good singer at all. It's not like I'm trying to get better though, so I shouldn't complain.

The PJ song I struggle with most is Do The Evolution. I don't know why either, because it's not the highest or lowest tone song, I think it's just the key it's in. Some of the notes are hard for me to hit, but if I practice it alot or listen to it enough, it gets easier.

DOSW

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

The PJ song I struggle with most is Do The Evolution. I don't know why either, because it's not the highest or lowest tone song, I think it's just the key it's in. Some of the notes are hard for me to hit, but if I practice it alot or listen to it enough, it gets easier.

Just scream it at the top of your lungs. That should work, right?

But really, I'd say that song is more effective because of the passion delivered through the singing as opposed to the notes themselves.

harrisonmerwin

i have a nice mid range and high range. i cant sing real low like eddie or anything. I can almost hit everything cornell does. I feel i have an average voice right in the middle, which i like.

Dirty Mosquito

harrisonmerwin wrote:

i have a nice mid range and high range. i cant sing real low like eddie or anything. I can almost hit everything cornell does. I feel i have an average voice right in the middle, which i like.

I know it's cliche, but tea with honey really helps me, especially cutting down on the smoking on days I know I will be singing.

harrisonmerwin

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

I know it's cliche, but tea with honey really helps me, especially cutting down on the smoking on days I know I will be singing.

im not much of a low singer anyways...every song i write i make sure i can sing well just so i don't have to really adapt myself. I keep it to fairly simple melodies as well because were a 3 peice and i have quite teh guitar duties to keep up with.

Dirty Mosquito

harrisonmerwin wrote:

im not much of a low singer anyways...every song i write i make sure i can sing well just so i don't have to really adapt myself. I keep it to fairly simple melodies as well because were a 3 peice and i have quite teh guitar duties to keep up with.

That's cool. I am still trying to find a band. I've been a one man band working on a record for over 3 years, and I have so much material, but nothing really finished.

enharmonic

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

So if I can hit every note that Eddie hits on all the songs and hit most of Chris Cornell's notes, would you say that that is pretty good? If I practive for at least a week I can sing along with Chris on Hands All Over, which is really tough for me to hit.

I couldn't say it's good or bad because I don't know if you're going about it the right way. I can do it too, but not the right way, so that doesn't make it good because ultimately it leads to the kind of voices they both have today vs. what they had.

enharmonic

leethal wrote:

I aggree with what your saying about eddie having about 2.5 octaves of good voice. That makes sense.

Is it true then what i heard about the average person being capable of 2.5. Because to me it seems like eddie has a huge range (not compared to some obviously but compared to a non singer definitely) I just don't see how the average person with a baritone could sing in hiding. I suppose its not all about your range its more about your tone and your control etc

I'd say that the "average" (whatever that is...but I follow you) person is not a singer. Good is relative. Lets say this. A competent singer has at least a 2 octave range. That's only 16 notes, but most of western music doesn't use much more than 2 octaves from a compositional standpoint, so 2 octaves is a good standard.

moster78

enharmonic wrote:

I'd say that the "average" (whatever that is...but I follow you) person is not a singer. Good is relative. Lets say this. A competent singer has at least a 2 octave range. That's only 16 notes, but most of western music doesn't use much more than 2 octaves from a compositional standpoint, so 2 octaves is a good standard.

We can't all be Jeff Buckley and have a 4 octave range!

enharmonic

moster78 wrote:

We can't all be Jeff Buckley and have a 4 octave range!

Jeff's range was not a pure 4 octaves. He had extraordinary control over his falsetto.

moster78

enharmonic wrote:

Jeff's range was not a pure 4 octaves. He had extraordinary control over his falsetto.

I used to date a singer, so some of the terminology is familiar, but brings back bad memories. I just remember reading somewhere that he was anywhere between 3.5 to 4.

enharmonic

moster78 wrote:

I used to date a singer, so some of the terminology is familiar, but brings back bad memories. I just remember reading somewhere that he was anywhere between 3.5 to 4.

At most, I heard him use 2.5. Perhaps he had a wider range than he recorded or performed with.

moster78

enharmonic wrote:

At most, I heard him use 2.5. Perhaps he had a wider range than he recorded or performed with.

Maybe I misread or remembered it. Maybe it was Tim Buckley who had the greater range.

who's_pearljam?

Captain Beefheart!
Ok, most people never heard of him. I played guitar on a couple of tours for him in the 70's and he had about a 4 octave range.
You'd never think so, because his voice is so gravelly and deep, but he could do it warming up backstage with no microphone and no falsetto. It wasn't "pretty like a bird chirping" 4 octaves, but it was there!

Singing into a mike in rock is an advantage because you don't have to belt out as loud and hard as an opera singer, so you can control your voice better.

I'm a baritone, I guess, and I think I have a range of only about a half an octave unless I jump in a snowbank naked! THEN I can get a higher range but then there won't be any baritone till I'm warm again!

You know who has great range, too? Joni Mitchell, and Bjork. Both can really belt out low and high notes.

harrisonmerwin

jeff buckley has a nice head voice, and then his falsetto. but i don't think you should count it as a complete range because he's missing alot in between there. None the less, great musician

leethal

Jeff Buckley is a perfect example of why i wanted talk about this. He has an incredible range but like someone already said he uses a falsetto; an incredible one at that. I'm not sure what the highest note he can hit is without falsetto.

I still find it amazing though how high eddie can go without false. Also i notice that during certain songs (like of the girl) he sounds higher then what you would expect for such notes. (I'm not sure how to explain that one but hopefully you know what i mean)

It sounds like some of you guys might be able to sing. Good Stuff! I know I can hit a high G, anything higher and i need a falsetto which just sounds bad. I can't sing any pearl jam songs well i just don't the right voice (let alone the range). Most black keys songs i like singing though, and other more bluesy stuff.

Byrnzie

harrisonmerwin wrote:

jeff buckley has a nice head voice, and then his falsetto. but i don't think you should count it as a complete range because he's missing alot in between there. None the less, great musician

If you think Jeff Buckley has a nice voice then listen to his dads stuff.

Byrnzie

moster78 wrote:

Maybe I misread or remembered it. Maybe it was Tim Buckley who had the greater range.

Missed this post.

Answer: Yep!

Dirty Mosquito

enharmonic wrote:

I couldn't say it's good or bad because I don't know if you're going about it the right way. I can do it too, but not the right way, so that doesn't make it good because ultimately it leads to the kind of voices they both have today vs. what they had.

Yeah good point. I try really hard to sing from my gut and not my throat. I know when I am singing right when I can sing for hours without loosing my voice, but sometimes if I sing a song like Blood and don't do it correctly, my voice will be gone shortly after.

House53

vocal exercises will really help you expand your range. They help you learn proper technique, breath control, and dynamics. They also give your voice a workout and over time strengthen your voice and expand your range.

Singing in a band really helps you get all you can out of your voice... singing different songs and different styles your voice develops. It also helps you learn proper pitch and tonality.

JP2026766

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

The PJ song I struggle with most is Do The Evolution. I don't know why either, because it's not the highest or lowest tone song, I think it's just the key it's in. Some of the notes are hard for me to hit, but if I practice it alot or listen to it enough, it gets easier.

DTE is pretty tough to sing. I've sung in choirs nd stuff, I'm a baritone too. Eddie hits that low D in Dead Man, I can go to about a low E, and hit that A on In Hiding. Eddie has a surprisingly good range, considering smoking, drinking, etc. Evolution is definately hard on the chorus when he hits it really high. Long story short: Eddie's got rediculous range.

Dirty Mosquito

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

DTE is pretty tough to sing. I've sung in choirs nd stuff, I'm a baritone too. Eddie hits that low D in Dead Man, I can go to about a low E, and hit that A on In Hiding. Eddie has a surprisingly good range, considering smoking, drinking, etc. Evolution is definately hard on the chorus when he hits it really high. Long story short: Eddie's got rediculous range.

Yes I must agree, I would have to say the best range in rock that I can think of is Chris Cornell.