Do Mike and Stone sound weak?

Oh, Jimmy

surferdude wrote:

You're right. Page in the studio was surprisingly clean and relied on guitar layering to achieve his sound. But live he has always seemed to rely on added distortion to muscle his way through the heavily layered parts, i.e Sick Again.

Of course, but I was mostly referring to Page's modern tone. I think he is one of the few older players that actually dirtied their tone as they got older.

JofZ

Pacomc79 wrote:

I wonder who is doing the mix lately and I wonder why it's been so inconsistant.

I'd still like to see mike go with some kind of huge plexi. (Germino maybe) Damn the torpedos. Or hell, I'd love it if he came out with some tweed twins.

My favorite stone sound came from the Blitz 50.

He should use the Germino Mont. and Stone should use the 99 Matchless JJ30.

I think Mike uses a ton of pedals that suffer from tone suck as well. He could toss out many of his mass produced boxes and improve his tone by 10. These guys are using some of the nicest guitars I have seen a gigging band play with, so we know it has to be further down the chain

exhausted

mike's board from the UFO tribute thing was pretty much a perfect balance. i don't know how different his pj board is right now.

stone's pj board is silly big unless he's got bypass boxes somewhere on it.

DriftingByTheStorm

exhausted wrote:

mike's board from the UFO tribute thing was pretty much a perfect balance. i don't know how different his pj board is right now.

stone's pj board is silly big unless he's got bypass boxes somewhere on it.

i don't think i ever saw a bypass box in stones flow diagrams, but i do know he uses the crap out of those pedals ...

half the time he just balances his guitar on his lap while kneeling down to fuck with pedals ... like in RVM ... i've seen him do it countless time ... just creating swells and feedback and weird noises ... it's fucking awesome!



some one posted a picture over on the porch a few days ago claiming it was mikes board ... it couldn't have been recent ... at least i hope ... because it looked pretty shitty ... but maybe i'm blind ...

JofZ

exhausted wrote:

mike's board from the UFO tribute thing was pretty much a perfect balance. i don't know how different his pj board is right now.

stone's pj board is silly big unless he's got bypass boxes somewhere on it.

you don't see anyroom for improvment here:
Mikes UFO board:
1. Dunlop Crybaby (possibly 535q)
2. Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere
3. Ibanez TS-9
4. Fulltone Distortion Pro
5. Boss DM-2 Delay
6. Line6 DL4
7. Line6 MM4


My Mike Board:
1. Teese RMC3
2. BJF MGMV
3. ProAnalog Vibrato
4. BJF LGW
5. BJF DRD
6. BJF HB
7. Proanalog Dual Drive
8. Diamond memory lane
9. Echozar with angelbaby and expression pedal
9.Since the MM4 is a full digital modulator, we will need to add 4-5 real boxes to cover this.
9a. CAF
9b. PPF
9c. Analogman Clone Chorus
9d. Sweet mojo vibe
9e. Red Witch Moon Pasher

All of the above will greatly improve Mike's tone.

exhausted

i was focusing more on the size of the board with my statement.

certainly there are changes that could be made but i just don't have the frame of reference to make qualified suggestions.

Dirty_Frank

When Stone was using the Savage I think he sounded best. I don't expect them to go all out back to 1992 high gain tonality, but with songs like SOLAT and Once, it needs it to give a bit more ooomph.

I understand that as players get older and more experienced that they drop the gain substantially. I used to play uber distorted scoop sounds, but now I rarely turn it up past half way and rely more on overdriven tones. I still have the ability however to give er' shit when it's needed.

StuffnJunk

i was listening to do the evolution from 2 shows i was at:

jones beach 2000 (distorted les paul)

st johns 2005 (clean strat)

a world of difference, if anything 2000 was too thick and distorted......i noticed the clean strat sound is closer to the sound of the studio version of DTE

when i started playing i would crank the distortion full blast when i played any type of PJ/nirvana type song......what i slowly started to realize is they never used that much distortion, not even on the loudest, heaviest songs (maybe kurt did)..........too much distortion turns things to mush, less distortion gives a clearer crunchy sound

pjfan020

enharmonic wrote:

Listen to the anger in Pete Townsend's guitar, or the rudeness of Jimmy Page. Those guys knew what was up, and that's why 40 years on, we're still hearing their stuff up against the latest greatest uber distorted bullshit.

Actually, I just bought the who live at albert's hall in '01 and Townshend uses some mad distortion. With anything he used more distortion on that album than any live stuff i've heard or seen from the 70's. I'm not saying mike has to load on distortion, but when you play a song a certain way like even flow, if you take away too much distortion I think it takes away from the song.