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PJ's drummer
mogwai
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Hi there fellow musicians...After seeing a thread in teh porch i decided to post this one.Am I the only one who thinks that matt's playing doesn't fit the old pearl jam songs in which dave and jack played?I also think that his rhythm playing is much too strict for pj music...I think that he is a great drummer but for bands like soundgarden or maybe like queens of the stone age....My favorite pj drummer is Jack Irons by far...After him there's mr Abruzeese and then matt...And i really think that matt's reverse rhythms don't fit pj's songs...I prefer jack's style and it's influence on pj music in songs like Who You Are and In My Tree...Compare You Are to Who You Are and I think u will understand what I mean!!!!
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i dont liek jack, he codlnt go a ful lconcert..he was weak, hardly rocked...
he did sound good on animal and a couple songs...
other than that, matt cameron is fucking amazing..and fits pearl jam perfectly...
I still think that Yield is the best overall album of theirs, and that the drumming on Yield is the best PJ drumming ever. Jack's drumming made that album what it was...
Matt's drumming is a little too technical, I think. Pearl Jam used to have that looseness, a connected sort of chaos, where the songs were always together but just on the verge of falling apart. Matt is too consistent, too driving sometimes. He's gotten a TON better in the last two or three years... Riot Act and the subsequent tour showed him a lot more comfortable with the material. He sat back a lot more, let the songs flow a little better. On a lot of stuff before, it seemed like he was choking the songs with his tempos. Especially the trademark Jack Irons beats... Given to Fly, In My Tree, etc. Now he's started using the "less is more" approach that Jack pulled off so well.
One big footnote: I'm glad Matt is on board... he's consistent, dedicated, and has some serious stamina. He's filled in with enthusiasm and grace, and he's very involved in the writing and composition of songs. He's a great member, and while I pine for Jack sometimes, Matt is always on top of his game. Yea Matt!
I wish dave grohl would have ended up with PJ. I'm sure it almost happened a few times over the years. He has so much energy and punch. I notice the quality of the drums on vitalogy but that is more the songs themselves. Like last exit. That is quite the drum drivin song.
I wonder if Dave Grohl and Eddie get along.
What i would pay to be a fly on the wall and witness a conversation between the 2. I wonder if Dave gets serious around ed.
Like ed has that thing where you can see everyone getting all sincere when talking to him. I imagine there are alot of honest conversations in EV's life.
But anyway whatever they would talk about...wouldn't I like to know.
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I totally agree with you MIG...My only disagreement is that I think that the best PJ drumming ever is the one lying in no code!!!But what i think about pj's looseness is that matt has taken it all away...He is too technical and strict rhythm player...His playing is the best for bands like soundgarden,tool etc where you can find many reverse rhythm parts etc...Don't forget that his playing evolved while playing in Soundgarden.I admire him for beeing a professional but i can't forget Jack's or even Abruzeezes' playing!!!I believe that the one that enjoys Matt's playing less is Jeff who is the main responsible for the loosenes they used to have
perfect said!!
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It'd be cool if they got Zac Starkey and maybe Dave Grohl to guest on a new album just to get some really hard hitting stuff too along with matt or maybe even have multiple drum parts ala WMA
Matt brings more to the band than just clean crisp drumming as well the guy writes great music. The band itself has mellowed in their age and Matt suits the new style as well as any. Jack Irons can't really stand to tour anymore but he's a great drummer too.
I'm happy with Matt.
and i disagree about jeff thinking hes the onyl one who doesnt like matt...bullshit!
i have an interview.backstage at pinkpop 2000....jeff talks about how amazing it is having him in the band, and what an amazing drummer matt is... and he finishes by saing
"sometimes you just have to get on the matt cameron train and ride it"
ya baby...
dave was a great drummer, but he sounded like shit on any slow song...horrible, nothing man is disgusting, and so was ledbetter i thought...
ya he kicked ass on ten and vs...
on vitalogy dave didnt do anything...listen to NOT FOR YOu on SNL then listen to it on vitology..what the hell was he thinking???? where were ou at dave?? why did he change it?
anyways. jack irons just wasnt strong, he had a great groove but coudltn keep up, alot of power was lost in pearl jams show...he sounds fine ont he albums, and i think y ield is my favorite next to riot act...
and ill agree that cameron sometimes takes away fromt he songs as well...animal doesnt sound that great...
but shit, corduroy is better than it ever has, even flow the same...and eveyr other song...matt cameron is fucking an amazing drummer, great song writer..and a sweet ass singer to if you ask me...
all opinion but....i hate it when people rather have jack irons then matt cameron...
after listening to jack ont he santa barbara show in between matt cameron...im so fuckign thankful for cameron and not jack irons...
I agree with you 100% on the live show, but I wish Jack could drum the albums (or even just half the albums) and Matt could take over on tour.
i have a feeling if cameron drummed on yield...it owould sound even better...
the production the last two albums havent been as good as yield..theyve been awesome, just different..alot thicker and i dont know how to explain it....but yields production os fucking perfect..and that makes jack irons sound alot better...if you ask me.
Jack just had a touch, a feel... it was signature, impossible to replicate, and it let the songs on that album breathe, for lack of a better term.
but lets be honest about do the evolution......
matt cameron takes that song to awhole nother level...
and he does a damn good job on the rest of them...except fiathfull, thats the only one that really doesnt groove the same...but it rocks harder now...
But for the rest of it... we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I would say, it's like they're two different songs...
Or like a self-cover song, where it's essentially the same song, but a different vibe.
I like the new version, but my love for Jack's studio drumming is unadulterated.
im in a band myself (http://www.gatefoldonline.co.uk), and know quite a few drummers, none of which liked pearl jam at all untill matt cameron joined. i think that stuff pearl jam did with jack is good but probably the worst stuff they've recorded drum wise. if jack hadnt been such good friends with eddie i dont think he would have been in pearl jam, because i dont think he's a good enough drummer, and i know a lot of drummers that feel the same.
matt rocks!
he is technically good at what he plays and that only makes the music better. his live performance is also phenomenal and equalled by no other pearl jam drummer in terms of ability or stamina.
jack irons' playing on albums was weak and frequently poor in my opinion with his patterns between toms and bass drum leaving A LOT to be desired. he just didnt fit the band in terms of look, sound or feel either.
and also, it was dave Abbruzzese who did the drumming on animal, not jack irons.
it went:
original demos- matt cameron
ten: dave krusen
vs and vitalogy: dave abbruzzese
no code and yield: jack irons
binaural, riot act, lost dogs etc: matt cameron
To be fair, Lost Dogs was a little of everybody.
And I disagree with your opinion.
It's not absolute... it's like saying, "I like vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is the best ice cream ever, period." It's a matter of preference and opinion.
its been awhile since i read wha ti said, but i dont think i said dave abbruzzzese drummed on ten...
i probably said something along hte lines of...uh his drumming for the ten songs...i just relate to the drumming on ten with live since krusen didnt tour much with them and basically dave a came in once ten was released...
thats my personal view. fair enough if you dont agree.
To say that one album would have been better with a different drummer entirely destroys what makes PJ better than everyone else. The change in drummers has helped them not necessarily change their style, but probably more allowed them to write in different ways or use songs that might not have been playable before.
As a drummer, it's hard to argue against Cameron: the guy is simply too awesome. But so was Jack, in his own way, which was excellent for Mirror Ball, No Code, and Yield. He added a sort of punk thing to those albums that Matt proabably would not have added. But then look at Binaural: a song like Grievance would never have come out like it did if someone other than Matt had played on it.
They're doing the evolution, baby.
And I disagree with your opinion.
It's not absolute... it's like saying, "I like vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is the best ice cream ever, period." It's a matter of preference and opinion"
perfectly stated. it is an opinion not a mathimatical fact. everyone likes different things. i like the fact that we have so many different styles to listen too. pearl jam is one band that has put out several different albums that are unique in there own way. ac/dc is more of a heard one heard them all type but with pj it's a whole new experience with each album.
Hey, you didn't just go knocking AC/DC, did you? I mean, come on... Phil Rudd is a drumming genius!