You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
January 6th gets Seditious Conspiracy charges. Not the same:
‘If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.’
You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
It should, but the offences aren’t “equal”. In some cases, they might be worse. Not sure why you think J6 and LA should be treated the same when they aren’t.
I said they should face similar consequences, maybe not the same charges. It’s much more than just property damage violations in some cases. It’s not just vandalism. Arson is a serious crime. You set fire to a building or a police car you get arson. Every brick you threw at a cop is an assault with a deadly weapon. Every Molotov cocktail you threw is an attempt of murder. But with all the riots we’ve seen over the last few years, how many actually get charged for things like that? A fairly small number compared to the number of offenders.
You think insurrectionists should be treated the same as common thugs? Hard disagree. They should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, which would be damage to property. J6ers tried to overthrow the government FFS
You throw bricks and Molotov cocktails at cops, burn police cars, that should have severe consequences too.
It should, but the offences aren’t “equal”. In some cases, they might be worse. Not sure why you think J6 and LA should be treated the same when they aren’t.
I said they should face similar consequences, maybe not the same charges. It’s much more than just property damage violations in some cases. It’s not just vandalism. Arson is a serious crime. You set fire to a building or a police car you get arson. Every brick you threw at a cop is an assault with a deadly weapon. Every Molotov cocktail you threw is an attempt of murder. But with all the riots we’ve seen over the last few years, how many actually get charged for things like that? A fairly small number compared to the number of offenders.
Because convincing evidence is required, so there will always be fewer charged than the number who committed crimes. That’s how it’s designed.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No massive raids by masked ICE agents. No related riots. No national guard and no marines. No violations of law or the constitution that I’m aware of. For fucks sake. But I guess the “Dreamers” had y’all quaking in your shoes and hiding under the bed?
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel. Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb. I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did. He even went to prison for it. So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?
Yes I understand. They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that. Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it. It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?
Yes I understand. They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that. Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it. It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
Judges have ruled against them, and they’ve been defying them. Even Antonin Scalia supports due process for immigrants.
I’m more than a little surprised at the ambivalence towards the trump admin violating the constitution here… You’re a big 1A & 2A guy as I recall.
No massive raids by masked ICE agents. No related riots. No national guard and no marines. No violations of law or the constitution that I’m aware of. For fucks sake. But I guess the “Dreamers” had y’all quaking in your shoes and hiding under the bed?
Get woke indeed! Carefully calibrated revisions to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration enforcement priorities and practices achieved two goals: Increasing penalties against unauthorized border crossers by putting far larger shares into formal removal proceedings rather than voluntarily returning them across the border, as had been longstanding practice; and making noncitizens with criminal records the top enforcement target. While there were fewer removals and returns under the Obama administration than each of the two prior administrations (see Table 1), those declines must be understood against the backdrop of a significant reduction in border apprehensions that resulted from a sharp decrease in unauthorized inflows, in particular of Mexicans. Analysts have attributed this trend, which began under the Bush administration, to improved economic conditions in Mexico, reduced postrecession job demand in the United States, ramped-up enforcement, and the increased use of different enforcement tactics at the border.
So now we have had record crossings during Bidens admin. They slowed down w Trump becasue of I believe we are, the USA, helping get companies and jobs in those countries which was instituted by the Biden admin, Someone posted a good article on that.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel. Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb. I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did. He even went to prison for it. So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.
I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.
Stop trying to minimize what is happening with false comparisons.
And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel. Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb. I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did. He even went to prison for it. So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.
I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.
Stop trying to minimize what is happening with false comparisons.
And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?
Yes I understand. They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that. Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it. It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
Judges have ruled against them, and they’ve been defying them. Even Antonin Scalia supports due process for immigrants.
I’m more than a little surprised at the ambivalence towards the trump admin violating the constitution here… You’re a big 1A & 2A guy as I recall.
I never said I wasn't against Trump doing any of this. We are having a conversation. Trump is toeing the line of democracy with people in his admin looking into how to do this. The legality is still being played out. I'm a fan of upsetting the apple cart only so much. This isn't the way I think is effective.
They actually started slowing last year significantly vs 23/22. But it didn’t fit the narrative of negligence.
It did, I guess I wasn't clear on that. I give credit to the Biden admin for what they did. Someone posted a great article on it. Not sure why Kamala didn't use that in her campaign because it was clearly working. I am speaking of the countries and developing them and having business' there.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel. Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb. I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did. He even went to prison for it. So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.
I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.
Stop trying to minimize what is happening with false comparisons.
And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man. False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
Have you not read any of the reports that people are being deported without due process, in violation of the 14th amendment?
Yes I understand. They used the Alien Enemies Act to bypass that. Not sure if that is the right way to go about it but they are using it. It is something that should be changed in the future. Doubt it will though.
Judges have ruled against them, and they’ve been defying them. Even Antonin Scalia supports due process for immigrants.
I’m more than a little surprised at the ambivalence towards the trump admin violating the constitution here… You’re a big 1A & 2A guy as I recall.
I never said I wasn't against Trump doing any of this. We are having a conversation. Trump is toeing the line of democracy with people in his admin looking into how to do this. The legality is still being played out. I'm a fan of upsetting the apple cart only so much. This isn't the way I think is effective.
Mince words all you want; they're depriving people of due process, one of the bedrock principles upon which our country was founded.
A map of Los Angeles. Near the area labeled “downtown” on the map is a tiny red dot. That represents the area where protests are happening and that are being shown on TV. The dot is so small it would not be noticeable if an arrow had not been drawn towards it. (Thanks to Noelle Cook)
I mean, you could have said the same thing about 9/11. Size on a map isn’t really a defense.
A map of Washington, D.C. Near the area labeled “Washington” on the map is a red dot. That represents the area where a violent insurrection occurred and that was shown on TV. The dot, like on the Los Angeles map, is easily noticeable and doesn't require an arrow drawn towards it. Looting consisted of a lectern.
This red dot did over $2.7 million of damages to federal property, which is a US offence with up to ten years' prison sentences, and up to $250,000 fine (USC 1361 - which I can't find a detailed current version on the DOJ site - if anyone can help, please do). Trump pardoned all of the people who were responsible for that - shouldn't he treat red dots equally?
The riots/protest in LA are likely going to cause much more in damages than that, including to local government buildings. Im not defending 1/6. I think the pardons were wrong. But if you’re going to bring up cost, the LA riots are likely much higher. I also think all rioters should be treated equally, those burning down police cars and buildings should be treated the same as 1/6 rioters, and face similar consequences.
Similar consequences - meaning a pardon from the president?
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It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel. Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb. I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did. He even went to prison for it. So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.
I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.
Stop trying to minimize what is happening with false comparisons.
And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man. False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.
Even when I give you a W you fight against it.
I’m fighting against the minimization of what is occurring. Even the WWII comparison is not apt as we were at war and had been attacked by Japan. COOTWH is claiming the same justification for his EO to call in the NG and military, in violation of the constitution. Sheriff Joe didn’t do that.
”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?
This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?
Actually no. I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated... It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.
Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to as required?
Where did I say any of this? Reaching aren't we?
So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
I ask because thats what this admin is doing now. people following the process are being snatched doing what was required of them.
Ask Obama or Joe how that got done without this bullshit today. some 7 million between them.
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‘If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.’
It’s much more than just property damage violations in some cases. It’s not just vandalism. Arson is a serious crime. You set fire to a building or a police car you get arson. Every brick you threw at a cop is an assault with a deadly weapon. Every Molotov cocktail you threw is an attempt of murder.
But with all the riots we’ve seen over the last few years, how many actually get charged for things like that? A fairly small number compared to the number of offenders.
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So i ask again.
How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
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It's wild how little people suddenly care about the Constitution.
No wonder this country is where it’s at.
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https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record
No massive raids by masked ICE agents. No related riots. No national guard and no marines. No violations of law or the constitution that I’m aware of. For fucks sake. But I guess the “Dreamers” had y’all quaking in your shoes and hiding under the bed?
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Carefully calibrated revisions to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration enforcement priorities and practices achieved two goals: Increasing penalties against unauthorized border crossers by putting far larger shares into formal removal proceedings rather than voluntarily returning them across the border, as had been longstanding practice; and making noncitizens with criminal records the top enforcement target. While there were fewer removals and returns under the Obama administration than each of the two prior administrations (see Table 1), those declines must be understood against the backdrop of a significant reduction in border apprehensions that resulted from a sharp decrease in unauthorized inflows, in particular of Mexicans. Analysts have attributed this trend, which began under the Bush administration, to improved economic conditions in Mexico, reduced postrecession job demand in the United States, ramped-up enforcement, and the increased use of different enforcement tactics at the border.
So now we have had record crossings during Bidens admin. They slowed down w Trump becasue of I believe we are, the USA, helping get companies and jobs in those countries which was instituted by the Biden admin, Someone posted a good article on that.
I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.
Stop trying to minimize what is happening with false comparisons.
And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
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”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?
This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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