F2F opens?

kbuchholtz

Hi everyone. What has been your experience with fan to fan ticket buying? When does it typically open? Through Ticketmaster or Ten Club? Looking to buy 2 for Friday in Pittsburgh. A friend and his son are going that night. I got 2 for Sunday in the on sale. Can those be sold through fan to fan, or is that just a 10c thing?

thank you. 

PJNB

Fan to fan opens up without notice on each dates ticketmaster page 


You can sell 10C tickets on it, standard tickets or premium tickets all at the price you paid for. 

Nobody here knows when it will open up but when it does it will be noticeable if you are on here or social media 

SHZA

Opened April 2 last year, first show was May 4. Not just a 10c thing. It's on the TM event page. 

Gern Blansten

way too early to be asking this...lol

kbuchholtz

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

JimmyV

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

It is. 

Gern Blansten

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

Zod

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

tylermoore

Zod said:

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

F2F has been great for me 🤷‍♂️ 
Scalpers? How are they scalping if they can’t re sell it for more? 

Gern Blansten

I could be wrong but it seems like it's TM to me. As long as TM has premium tix for sale they don't want people logging in and seeing 10c face tickets available. They want the attitude to be that you either have to pay premium or you aren't going.

As we get closer to show date there will be several 10c tix and others priced lower that will be available as people figure out they can't go and need to sell.

SHZA

tylermoore said:

Zod said:

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

Scalpers? How are they scalping if they can’t re sell it for more? 

They can https://www.404media.co/scalpers-are-working-with-hackers-to-liberate-non-transferable-tickets-from-ticketmasters-ecosystem/ 

PSUS2H

tylermoore said:

Zod said:

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

F2F has been great for me 🤷‍♂️ 
Scalpers? How are they scalping if they can’t re sell it for more? 

There are ways around it. Unfortunately, its easy for the big-time players to work around the restrictions. They dont even need hackers, they just sell their TM login credentials.

tylermoore

Well despite hackers and schemes, I’ve had great luck with F2F 
Seattle 
Chicago
Nashville 
St. Louis 
Indy
St. Paul
Pretty much every show I’ve gone to since it’s been a thing, F2F has been easy enough and great to me! Always able to get/upgrade/and dump unwanted tickets. 

steven87

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

PSUS2H

tylermoore said:

Well despite hackers and schemes, I’ve had great luck with F2F 
Seattle 
Chicago
Nashville 
St. Louis 
Indy
St. Paul
Pretty much every show I’ve gone to since it’s been a thing, F2F has been easy enough and great to me! Always able to get/upgrade/and dump unwanted tickets. 

Agreed, I have as well. You have to be quick, but it works. 

RiotAct10

I bought my original F2F ticket for what was supposed to be the 9/10/23 show in Indy, on May 27 of that year. So maybe they tightened the window this year, but in 2023 it must have been opened a good 3.5 months before at least some of the shows.

PJNB

PSUS2H said:

tylermoore said:

Well despite hackers and schemes, I’ve had great luck with F2F 
Seattle 
Chicago
Nashville 
St. Louis 
Indy
St. Paul
Pretty much every show I’ve gone to since it’s been a thing, F2F has been easy enough and great to me! Always able to get/upgrade/and dump unwanted tickets. 

Agreed, I have as well. You have to be quick, but it works. 

You guys got GA for Seattle and Indy? Or really good seats?

PJNB

2024 things changed with brokers getting most of the good ticket drops. 2022 and 23 were a lot easier. 

PSUS2H

PJNB said:

PSUS2H said:

tylermoore said:

Well despite hackers and schemes, I’ve had great luck with F2F 
Seattle 
Chicago
Nashville 
St. Louis 
Indy
St. Paul
Pretty much every show I’ve gone to since it’s been a thing, F2F has been easy enough and great to me! Always able to get/upgrade/and dump unwanted tickets. 

Agreed, I have as well. You have to be quick, but it works. 

You guys got GA for Seattle and Indy? Or really good seats?

I got pits for Wrigley N1. In the past got lower level outfield for Seattle N2 2018.

steven87

PJNB said:

2024 things changed with brokers getting most of the good ticket drops. 2022 and 23 were a lot easier. 

This 100%. I was able to get GA for every show I went to in ‘23 on F2F. Earlier this year, that changed, especially for the leg 2 shows. I was ultimately able to get GAs through F2F for some, but not all, of the shows that I attended, but it took A LOT of time and effort and was much, much harder than in ‘22 and ‘23. If 10c or TM doesn’t take some action to stop the bots, for all intensive purposes, F2F may be dead until the day of the show. 

tylermoore

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

JojoRice

I was able to upgrade my seats for all 4 of the shows I went to this year on F2F.  I thought it was crazy how many Seattle options were available roughly a week leading up to the shows. 

Gern Blansten

I remember checking F2F for Indy this year and seeing tickets that people had purchased at a premium just sit while lower priced better seats were available. TM really takes advantage.

smak

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Zod

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Zod

Gern Blansten said:

I remember checking F2F for Indy this year and seeing tickets that people had purchased at a premium just sit while lower priced better seats were available. TM really takes advantage.

#neverbuyplatinum

danofun

tylermoore said:

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

This. Childishly, we all cry bot (myself included..) when someone else scores what we're after. No behind stage seats, smaller tours, larger fan base, and more familiarity with F2F has increased competition. It's not a perfect solution, but it has benefitted countless individuals on these forums. Patience..

PJINFLA

SHZA said:

tylermoore said:

Zod said:

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

Scalpers? How are they scalping if they can’t re sell it for more? 

They can https://www.404media.co/scalpers-are-working-with-hackers-to-liberate-non-transferable-tickets-from-ticketmasters-ecosystem/ 

That's crazy, but I'm not surprised!

Bart.niessen

You can allready sell it trough TM, so i guess its open as well? Doesn’t it just show up as a purple seat on the map?

steven87

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

steven87

danofun said:

tylermoore said:

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

This. Childishly, we all cry bot (myself included..) when someone else scores what we're after. No behind stage seats, smaller tours, larger fan base, and more familiarity with F2F has increased competition. It's not a perfect solution, but it has benefitted countless individuals on these forums. Patience..

I think it’s a combination of both- bots and also more people using F2F in general. But I think that at least on the last US leg, bots were the bigger factor. You could literally watch as tickets disappeared from F2F and then appeared on secondary sites within minutes. Numerous instances of this were reported on the F2F thread.