F2F opens?

JojoRice

I was able to upgrade my seats for all 4 of the shows I went to this year on F2F.  I thought it was crazy how many Seattle options were available roughly a week leading up to the shows. 

Gern Blansten

I remember checking F2F for Indy this year and seeing tickets that people had purchased at a premium just sit while lower priced better seats were available. TM really takes advantage.

smak

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Zod

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Zod

Gern Blansten said:

I remember checking F2F for Indy this year and seeing tickets that people had purchased at a premium just sit while lower priced better seats were available. TM really takes advantage.

#neverbuyplatinum

danofun

tylermoore said:

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

This. Childishly, we all cry bot (myself included..) when someone else scores what we're after. No behind stage seats, smaller tours, larger fan base, and more familiarity with F2F has increased competition. It's not a perfect solution, but it has benefitted countless individuals on these forums. Patience..

PJINFLA

SHZA said:

tylermoore said:

Zod said:

Gern Blansten said:

kbuchholtz said:

Gern Blansten said:

way too early to be asking this...lol

That’s strange, I just thought it was ok to ask a question anytime you’re not sure of an answer. 

sorry...just thinking out loud...didn't intend it to be an insult

the F2F is a joke...totally manipulated by TM. Best to wait until very close to show if you need to buy F2F. 

I think it was well intentioned, but once scalpers figured out how to circumvent it, it kind of went down hill.

Scalpers? How are they scalping if they can’t re sell it for more? 

They can https://www.404media.co/scalpers-are-working-with-hackers-to-liberate-non-transferable-tickets-from-ticketmasters-ecosystem/ 

That's crazy, but I'm not surprised!

Bart.niessen

You can allready sell it trough TM, so i guess its open as well? Doesn’t it just show up as a purple seat on the map?

steven87

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

steven87

danofun said:

tylermoore said:

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

This. Childishly, we all cry bot (myself included..) when someone else scores what we're after. No behind stage seats, smaller tours, larger fan base, and more familiarity with F2F has increased competition. It's not a perfect solution, but it has benefitted countless individuals on these forums. Patience..

I think it’s a combination of both- bots and also more people using F2F in general. But I think that at least on the last US leg, bots were the bigger factor. You could literally watch as tickets disappeared from F2F and then appeared on secondary sites within minutes. Numerous instances of this were reported on the F2F thread. 

PSUS2H

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

CantKeepmedown

People selling GA on the secondary market would have to either show up to the venue in person or share their login information.  And not sure how stubhub even monitors or validates something like that. It obviously happens, but seems like a lot of risk for both seller and buyer.

PSUS2H

CantKeepmedown said:

People selling GA on the secondary market would have to either show up to the venue in person or share their login information.  And not sure how stubhub even monitors or validates something like that. It obviously happens, but seems like a lot of risk for both seller and buyer.

They send it digitally, they don't go to the venue. SH doesn't care, they get their cut from the sale and if the seller can't fulfill the order they get a cut charging the seller a fee for not filling an order. 

I worked in the NHL for several years managing season ticketholders. A small percentage of these were brokers. I'd get curious and ask them how they finessed these restrictions. These guys are usually rather forthcoming with what they're up to. 

100 Pacer

CantKeepmedown said:

People selling GA on the secondary market would have to either show up to the venue in person or share their login information.  And not sure how stubhub even monitors or validates something like that. It obviously happens, but seems like a lot of risk for both seller and buyer.

I traded for a spare Philly 1 GA and was forwarded an email from SeatGeek with a URL which brought up the ticket barcode. 

steven87

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

It doesn’t matter whose they are. Since GA were exclusively available to 10c members during the 10c presale and weren’t available in the TM public sale, as per 10c’s stated policy, all GAs appearing on the secondary market for above face value should be canceled/invalidated. Easier said than done though I’m sure. 

PJNB

tylermoore said:

I get it, but I also think you guys are underestimating how many people are on F2F. Especially gunning specifically for GA. 

In theory every year F2F gets more popular with more 10c fans seemingly missing out. Especially with the small tour legs and popularity lately with the new album 

Very aware of how many are trying. Very aware of new tickets popping up minutes later on stubhub and other sites right after the fan to fan sale happens as well. 

PSUS2H

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

It doesn’t matter whose they are. Since GA were exclusively available to 10c members during the 10c presale and weren’t available in the TM public sale, as per 10c’s stated policy, all GAs appearing on the secondary market for above face value should be canceled/invalidated. Easier said than done though I’m sure. 

I know what you're saying but if 10c sees GA on Stubhub, how do they know whose ticket to cancel? They don't. They just know a member is selling it. All the GA's look the same on SH. you dont know who is selling it. 

steven87

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

It doesn’t matter whose they are. Since GA were exclusively available to 10c members during the 10c presale and weren’t available in the TM public sale, as per 10c’s stated policy, all GAs appearing on the secondary market for above face value should be canceled/invalidated. Easier said than done though I’m sure. 

I know what you're saying but if 10c sees GA on Stubhub, how do they know whose ticket to cancel? They don't. They just know a member is selling it. All the GA's look the same on SH. you dont know who is selling it. 

This might be why 10c hasn’t been able to do anything about it. I’m hoping that changes this time around and they figure out a way to stop this, but I’m not overly optimistic. 

PSUS2H

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

It doesn’t matter whose they are. Since GA were exclusively available to 10c members during the 10c presale and weren’t available in the TM public sale, as per 10c’s stated policy, all GAs appearing on the secondary market for above face value should be canceled/invalidated. Easier said than done though I’m sure. 

I know what you're saying but if 10c sees GA on Stubhub, how do they know whose ticket to cancel? They don't. They just know a member is selling it. All the GA's look the same on SH. you dont know who is selling it. 

This might be why 10c hasn’t been able to do anything about it. I’m hoping that changes this time around and they figure out a way to stop this, but I’m not overly optimistic. 

the only way that works is will call ID every ticket at the venue. Talk about wait times to get into the building with 15k people having to go to will call to get their tix. it really only works for club shows. 

KJ228171

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

PSUS2H said:

steven87 said:

Zod said:

smak said:

steven87 said:

I’m guessing it’ll open late winter/early spring. Now we just gotta hope that 10c actually follows through on its promise to cancel all 10c tickets appearing on secondary sites for above face value. If not, F2F will likely be taken over by the scalpers/bots once again.  

How do they cancel them when no seller will ever list the exact sear number?

Yah, I assumed there's a reason why sellers only announce section and row, it makes it impossible to know who exactly bought those tickets.

Valid point. But they can cancel all the GAs appearing on the secondary market since GAs were 10c-exclusive and were only available through the 10c presale. 

How would you know whos is whos? The ticket section, row, and seat number is one thing that would directly identify where it came from but if there are 1000 GA tix sold and 200 on the secondary market.... whos are they? They all just say GA.

It doesn’t matter whose they are. Since GA were exclusively available to 10c members during the 10c presale and weren’t available in the TM public sale, as per 10c’s stated policy, all GAs appearing on the secondary market for above face value should be canceled/invalidated. Easier said than done though I’m sure. 

I know what you're saying but if 10c sees GA on Stubhub, how do they know whose ticket to cancel? They don't. They just know a member is selling it. All the GA's look the same on SH. you dont know who is selling it. 

This might be why 10c hasn’t been able to do anything about it. I’m hoping that changes this time around and they figure out a way to stop this, but I’m not overly optimistic. 

the only way that works is will call ID every ticket at the venue. Talk about wait times to get into the building with 15k people having to go to will call to get their tix. it really only works for club shows. 

Zack Bryant tried it back in 2023 with AXS. People had to enter as a group. It kind of worked but most venues abandoned the checks as the tour went on. Billy Strings claims to require the same ID check but again the venues don't bother.