2025 Fan to Fan Exchange and ISO/FT/FS Thread

EH14457

I wonder how many people are actively trying to buy those Hollywood1 tickets.

eddievedderspants

EH14457 said:

I wonder how many people are actively trying to buy those Hollywood1 tickets.

🙌

JojoRice

A pair of lower level Nash 2 tickets have been up for almost an hour now but it says "Tickets No Longer Available" when you click on them.  TM sucks on so many levels with their programming and infrastructure.  

estarr31

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

I wonder how many people are actively trying to buy those Hollywood1 tickets.

🙌

a friend already texted me about it. Which is funny b/c if you're texting about a F2F ticket being available it's already too late. 

craigraether

I think what's happening might be based on active web calls to specific tickets. Seems like evenings when less people are looking they are selling quicker, even this AM some sold in 10-15 min. The more people hit a ticket TMs webservices block the tickets., maybe its  calls per min and once it falls under a threshold the ticket is released. This AM Floors for Nash2 sold in 40 min, now Sec 102 DD, is up over an hour and counting.. .

EH14457

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

eddievedderspants

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

SHZA

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

craigraether

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

they are using a barcode hack, the moving barcode from TM site is forwarded using a VPN. The  STUBHUB or whereever takes the TM app barcode and creates a Network via a link where you access the barcode over that network... think of like TEAMs or ZOOM where you get a virtual screen of the barcode.. Now it looks different from TM page, and if the scanner looked at your phone they could identify it as forwarded. However the people at the gate have 90 min to get 15,000 people in the doors and as long as the green light comes on and you get a beep, you're in. 

eddievedderspants

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though.  I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?

EH14457

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.

EH14457

The multi-colored rings just spun for a little longer on those FL1 tickets and I thought I might get lucky. Getting excited over something that trivial is genuinely amusing. 😂

getshorty

Looking for 2 GA or lower level seats for Florida night 2. Willing to trade $$ and/or tickets to shows in Atlanta night 2 (5/1) and both Nashville shows (5/6 & 5/8).  Let me know! 

Chrrie

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.

I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work

SHZA

eddievedderspants said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though.  I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?

I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.

EH14457

Chrrie said:

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.

I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work

If the mobile barcode approach that scalpers use still works for them, then it would also work for account sharing for normal folks. Basically, they need TM to render a barcode in a web-based view in order to get the data that they use for the barcode generation. If scalpers can still recreate barcodes, it means that a normal person can also sign into TM web and see a barcode in their mobile browser... which would mean that account sharing still works. 

I do kind of think there should be a different thread for this (F2F is Open was kind of it but got shut down). I'd love to discuss all the ways Ticketmaster is failing to effectively protect fans from getting taken advantage of with this system. I just think most people subscribed to this thread want to discuss opportunities to actually get tickets. I'm guilty of derailing us too though. Just can't help myself.

eddievedderspants

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though.  I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?

I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.

That's interesting. I have a fan-2-fan ticket that I bought but it shows no barcode number in the ticket details and no barcode on the front either.  

Chrrie

EH14457 said:

Chrrie said:

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.

I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work

If the mobile barcode approach that scalpers use still works for them, then it would also work for account sharing for normal folks. Basically, they need TM to render a barcode in a web-based view in order to get the data that they use for the barcode generation. If scalpers can still recreate barcodes, it means that a normal person can also sign into TM web and see a barcode in their mobile browser... which would mean that account sharing still works. 

I do kind of think there should be a different thread for this (F2F is Open was kind of it but got shut down). I'd love to discuss all the ways Ticketmaster is failing to effectively protect fans from getting taken advantage of with this system. I just think most people subscribed to this thread want to discuss opportunities to actually get tickets. I'm guilty of derailing us too though. Just can't help myself.

My tickets in the Ticketmaster web browser say to use the app, and the app says add to mobile wallet to use. Maybe I am paranoid but it wouldn’t shock me in the least if Ticketmaster closed the loophole for regular people to share tickets but not close it for brokers who share tickets by using the api data to see the components of the barcode they need to host the tickets on their own websites. 

KJ228171

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

Even if you don’t see it now it will populate before shows. It’s not uncommon to start 72 hours in advance. Not all phones have NFC so the barcode has to be an option.

PJNB

Chrrie said:

EH14457 said:

Chrrie said:

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:

eddievedderspants said:

EH14457 said:

They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.

I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either.  The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.

It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.

I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app. 

Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.

I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work

If the mobile barcode approach that scalpers use still works for them, then it would also work for account sharing for normal folks. Basically, they need TM to render a barcode in a web-based view in order to get the data that they use for the barcode generation. If scalpers can still recreate barcodes, it means that a normal person can also sign into TM web and see a barcode in their mobile browser... which would mean that account sharing still works. 

I do kind of think there should be a different thread for this (F2F is Open was kind of it but got shut down). I'd love to discuss all the ways Ticketmaster is failing to effectively protect fans from getting taken advantage of with this system. I just think most people subscribed to this thread want to discuss opportunities to actually get tickets. I'm guilty of derailing us too though. Just can't help myself.

My tickets in the Ticketmaster web browser say to use the app, and the app says add to mobile wallet to use. Maybe I am paranoid but it wouldn’t shock me in the least if Ticketmaster closed the loophole for regular people to share tickets but not close it for brokers who share tickets by using the api data to see the components of the barcode they need to host the tickets on their own websites. 

There are way too many people out there with apple wallets that are not linked to their TM account. It would be a huge mess if they did this.