Surprised? You shouldn’t be. When PJ supports establishment, anti-free speech candidates, you know the world is upside down. Eddie has daughters, and is pro-woman, which is great, but when you fall in love with a side that is now anti-woman (transgenders in women sports), you have, as Fonzie did, Jumped then shark. Emhoff assaulted his ex-girlfriend, and got his nanny pregnant. You don’t have to like Trump, but when you become so famous and isolated, this is what happens. You look past all the things you hate, and beome the things you hate. BTW, PJ is a big part of my life, I’m just sad it’s come to this
LOL...anti free speech? Let me guess..you are a trump supporter even though he's talking about taking licenses away from major news networks?
The assault allegations seem weak to me. He supposedly slapped her and she slapped him back. Unfortunate but not really anything criminal and his ex wife has nothing but good things to say.
But you keep supporting the guy that rapes women! MAGA! Murikka!
Grown man. Father. Previously divorced. Spots girlfriend talking to other guy. Decides that is not cool and walks up and slaps her. This is not normal behavior. You seem to equate her slapping him back as making things even.
It seems like he was a creep in his law firm days and I've not even mentioned yet him thinking it was a good idea to have an affair with his kids' nanny/teacher. If he wasn't married to Kamala you would think he was a creep.
Sure, compare everyone to Trump, Epstein, Weinstein and they look like saints. But don't excuse bad behavior because they aren't as egregious as others. It is great Ed stands up for women at the concerts, but it is disappointing to see them then talk with a man who has such little respect for them.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Surprised? You shouldn’t be. When PJ supports establishment, anti-free speech candidates, you know the world is upside down. Eddie has daughters, and is pro-woman, which is great, but when you fall in love with a side that is now anti-woman (transgenders in women sports), you have, as Fonzie did, Jumped then shark. Emhoff assaulted his ex-girlfriend, and got his nanny pregnant. You don’t have to like Trump, but when you become so famous and isolated, this is what happens. You look past all the things you hate, and beome the things you hate. BTW, PJ is a big part of my life, I’m just sad it’s come to this
LOL...anti free speech? Let me guess..you are a trump supporter even though he's talking about taking licenses away from major news networks?
The assault allegations seem weak to me. He supposedly slapped her and she slapped him back. Unfortunate but not really anything criminal and his ex wife has nothing but good things to say.
But you keep supporting the guy that rapes women! MAGA! Murikka!
Grown man. Father. Previously divorced. Spots girlfriend talking to other guy. Decides that is not cool and walks up and slaps her. This is not normal behavior. You seem to equate her slapping him back as making things even.
It seems like he was a creep in his law firm days and I've not even mentioned yet him thinking it was a good idea to have an affair with his kids' nanny/teacher. If he wasn't married to Kamala you would think he was a creep.
Sure, compare everyone to Trump, Epstein, Weinstein and they look like saints. But don't excuse bad behavior because they aren't as egregious as others. It is great Ed stands up for women at the concerts, but it is disappointing to see them then talk with a man who has such little respect for them.
So even though he said it never happened he’s automatically guilty? Cmon, enough. You got the orange con artist posing with bibles and taking staged pictures with evangelicals touching him. Do you believe everything you see/read on the internet? I trust eddie and Jeff that they align themselves with upstanding people and support honest candidates and not a felon, cheating, lying, anti American racist like Trump.
Every post defending Emhoff brings up Trump's activities. This totally undercuts your argument because you all are basically not denying his behavior but justifying your support for him because he isn't as bad as Trump.
I absolutely believe the slapping accusations. It seems credible to me. It isn't like there is money to be made by falsely accusing as I would agree that a slap is definitely not the same level as other accusations that could be made.
And just so you all know, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and voted for Biden/Harris in 2020. I am pro-abortion but also can understand being passionate about being pro-life so I don't think each side is evil. So don't label me as MAGA or think that bringing Trump in as a defense is going to make one iota of difference to my thought process.
I trust the band. They seem like really good people. But, like the Jackson song I was listening to this morning, its "human nature" to look past faults of those you want to like.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
It's a bad look. It reminds me of when Ed gave his cringeworthy speech defending Bill Murray's honor in L.A. in 2022 (if I remember correctly). It looks out of touch and hypocritical (believe women, but not when they're accusing famous people who are my friends). And for what? Is there a single voter who was going to stay home on November 5 who will be motivated to vote because members of Pearl Jam cozied up to one of the candidate's spouses? It's even harder to imagine that anyone who plans to vote for Trump will change their minds because of this.
I agree with this 100%. There are a myriad of ways to support the campaign that don't involve sitting down with a guy that has a credible dv accusation hanging over him. Frankly I find it odd that the campaign is pushing him out there rather than sidelining him.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I am plenty educated, “guy”. I’m not going to waste my time going back and forth here when nobody is changing anyone’s mind. This is not the right thread for debate anyway. Have a nice day.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I am plenty educated, “guy”. I’m not going to waste my time going back and forth here when nobody is changing anyone’s mind. This is not the right thread for debate anyway. Have a nice day.
You have a nice day too but I can share some links to help prove my point if you would like. Just trying to help provide some info to better educate yourself.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Principled stands are more meaningful when you make a difficult decision in the process.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Principled stands are more meaningful when you make a difficult decision in the process.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Principled stands are more meaningful when you make a difficult decision in the process.
Maybe they wanted to talk to him?
Yes, apparently. That's what is in question. Your comprehension skills...I don't know.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
See, the thing is that you don't care. You don't care that he slapped his girlfriend out of jealousy. No curiosity on the matter. Part of that is because it would be bad news for your political candidate. So you say things like "Fox News" to discredit the accusations to mask your sincere lack of giving a shit that this woman was slapped and then made to feel small by this man.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Dude knocked up his kids' teacher and nanny.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Principled stands are more meaningful when you make a difficult decision in the process.
Maybe they wanted to talk to him?
Yes, apparently. That's what is in question. Your comprehension skills...I don't know.
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
I mean I probably didn't need to go past this
You must be a saint. You listen to only music by people who have never done wrong. Only watch tv and movies that have actors with unblemished personal records. All of your political votes have only gone to outstanding citizens.
Oh wait, you like PJ. Didn’t a touring member of that group recently do something bad? Isn’t EV friends with Sean Penn? Remind me, he’s never been accused of any bad behavior before, right? Guess I won’t be seeing you here anymore!
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I am plenty educated, “guy”. I’m not going to waste my time going back and forth here when nobody is changing anyone’s mind. This is not the right thread for debate anyway. Have a nice day.
Warning! Warning! Do not go to the right thread (AMT). It won't be pretty!
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I am plenty educated, “guy”. I’m not going to waste my time going back and forth here when nobody is changing anyone’s mind. This is not the right thread for debate anyway. Have a nice day.
Warning! Warning! Do not go to the right thread (AMT). It won't be pretty!
Oh I stopped dropping into AMT years ago. I never even look at it anymore.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
She’s has good ideas? 😂. She’s been in office for four years and hasn’t done shit but okay. And I get it…nobody can ever disagree or have a different opinion than the guys in Pearl Jam here on the forums.
BTW I genuinely think the band are really good people that do great things for communities and charities and such. Doesn’t mean we all as fans have to like every single thing they stand for.
So Kamala hasn’t done one thing while in office? Do more research guy. Educate yourself. You can disagree but your all or nothing statements make no sense. Educate yourself.
I am plenty educated, “guy”. I’m not going to waste my time going back and forth here when nobody is changing anyone’s mind. This is not the right thread for debate anyway. Have a nice day.
Warning! Warning! Do not go to the right thread (AMT). It won't be pretty!
Oh I stopped dropping into AMT years ago. I never even look at it anymore.
I’m trying to do that as well it is HOF of echo chambers
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Yes, this is the key point. Saying it's a bad look for them to talk to Emhoff is not saying that someone shouldn't vote for Harris. Harris is not responsible for her husband's behavior. And no one should be voting based on anything positive Doug Emhoff (or Melania Trump) has to say about their spouses. They may know their spouses better than anyone, but they are self-interested witnesses. It's not news that they love their spouses and publicly express that they're wonderful. It would only be newsworthy if they said otherwise.
Similarly, to the ridiculous hypothetical that was posed above, Dhani Harrison is not responsible for his father's behavior or his father's erstwhile bandmates' behavior. There is an obvious difference between that imaginary scenario and choosing to engage directly with someone who stands accused of exactly the kind of thing the band has taken principled stands on throughout its career.
In sum, two things can be true at the same time:
1) Trump is unfit for office for many reasons, including that he stands credibly accused of sexual violence by numerous women and has, in fact, bragged about his ability to commit acts of sexual violence and get away with it; and
2) Cozying up to someone who also stands accused of domestic violence looks hypocritical for people who have been outspoken against domestic violence in their lives and in their music.
I’ve never liked politics but I can’t fucking stand it nowadays. The thing I find that’s worse than ever is what @bootlegger10 mentioned, both sides look past and relentlessly defend their people and the people they want to like. Especially when it comes to Trump. People hate him so much they will literally say anything to defend Kamala even though she’s a terrible candidate. And don’t label me as some MAGA lover either as I’ve never voted for Trump. Anyway, disappointing to see the band hanging with Emhoff.
You have no idea if it is true or not. None.cause you read an article of Fox and Maga.com? You have no clue. Everyone is guilty if you read it on the internet!?!?. The thing with Trump is that he is guilty cause the guy is recorded and they have him in interviews confessing to his crimes. And Kamala def isn’t perfect, no candidate is but She’s not terrible, she has good ideas and is trying to bring people together. Your argument makes zero sense. Disappointing cause the guys talked to her husband. Are you joking? Never seen so many judges on here with verdicts but no proof.
See, the thing is that you don't care. You don't care that he slapped his girlfriend out of jealousy. No curiosity on the matter. Part of that is because it would be bad news for your political candidate. So you say things like "Fox News" to discredit the accusations to mask your sincere lack of giving a shit that this woman was slapped and then made to feel small by this man.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Dude knocked up his kids' teacher and nanny.
Your points make no sense. You have no idea if he slapped a women, either do I and I’m not going to take your word for it as you have no clue. He is not running for President to my understanding, his wife is. So that means the pj guys can’t talk to someone who got a women pregnant? What’s your point? We know where the smoke is, it’s with the racist, convicted rapist and felon from Florida. We know that is fact, no doubt about it. People are getting bent out of shape over the guys doing an interview with him. Half the people’s parents on here or 10 clubbers themselves have had affairs. So we can’t talk to any of them either? What don’t I care about? You have no clue what I care about. I’ll tell you anyway, I care about the truth , I care about democracy, I care about women rights, I care about my healthcare, I care about education, I care about my future, I care about this country and Trump is an embarrassment, a felon and a liar. The fact he is even one of the candidates makes this country look like a joke cause that’s what he is. I agree with u on women’s safety and all that but don’t tell me I don’t care. You have no clue. I can’t wait till this mess is over but if Trump scams his way back into the White House it’s gunna 4 more years of chaos, fighting and lies. Look at all the hate and division he has caused. U honestly think this guy is the answer, serious question. Also, it’s Friday, time to drink.
You keep talking about Trump. I am talking about the guy who admitted knocking up his kids’ nanny, is accused (happy?) of slapping a woman out of jealousy and forcing his way into the car after, and then has former colleagues (accuse) him of being a typical misogynist in the office.
So forgive me after hearing Ed talk about probably 45 minutes now at concerts on women’s rights since 2021 (which is awesome and I applaud the guy), to be a little curious to hear them give a pulpit to this man.
You think he is a good guy and don’t believe there is a poor pattern of behavior, while I think there is a pattern. Maybe he is reformed, but a poor choice for a surrogate for PJ whose main campaign item is women’s rights.
You keep talking about Trump. I am talking about the guy who admitted knocking up his kids’ nanny, is accused (happy?) of slapping a woman out of jealousy and forcing his way into the car after, and then has former colleagues (accuse) him of being a typical misogynist in the office.
So forgive me after hearing Ed talk about probably 45 minutes now at concerts on women’s rights since 2021 (which is awesome and I applaud the guy), to be a little curious to hear them give a pulpit to this man.
You think he is a good guy and don’t believe there is a poor pattern of behavior, while I think there is a pattern. Maybe he is reformed, but a poor choice for a surrogate for PJ whose main campaign item is women’s rights.
I know nothing about this guy, why would I? Do you know everything about Mike Pence’s wife and her whole past? You have no idea of what you’re talking about is even true. Did you work with this guy and do you have a personal relationship with him? I’m confused. You’re a guy on a Pearl Jan fan board that has all this knowledge of something you read on the internet. I heard democrats caused the hurricanes in Florida too from the internet, do you have any inside info on that? It’s a weird flex but it sounds like you know all about this guys past. Honest question, do you think someone that lied about an election and tried to steal votes and stop the peaceful transfer of power and is a convicted felon should be able to run for president of the United States, yes or no? Again, not trying to upset you or cause a fight as I’m sure you are a good person and good dude but what’s your thoughts?
I think Imagine is terribly boring at live shows. I was just thinking the other day in fact about how I don't really care for Ed's acoustic solo songs to start the encores at PJ shows anymore. Full band.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
Great, but it wasn’t really about what songs you enjoy at which shows or not. I was asking if you were going to listen to a cover of a song written by a “wife beater”? Essentially, where does it end? PJ should’ve never covered I’ve Got A Feeling, I suppose, right? If you have that fan club single, you’ll get rid of it, right? Do you think it was a bad look to invite Dhani Harrison to play at PJ 20 since his father played in a band with a wife beater? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go because eventually, no one will be left.
No, I’m not making excuses for his behavior. What he did was wrong. But I have 2 choices in this election, and one of them is fascism. So yeah, I’m going to overlook the fact that he slapped a woman.
Should I vote for Mussolini or Matteotti? Hmm, well, Matteotti’s wife did slap a guy once…
The argument isn't that they shouldn't vote for Harris or support her campaign. All of that can be accomplished without talking to Doug Emhoff.
Similarly, to the ridiculous hypothetical that was posed above, Dhani Harrison is not responsible for his father's behavior or his father's erstwhile bandmates' behavior.
And ridiculous is right. My point is how far down the line do you want to go? You go far enough, there’s always going to be bad stuff. Talking directly with someone? Ok, I get that. But everyone is up in arms about it while glossing over the other examples I gave.
No one candidate is ever going to align with all of my views on every subject. But there is such a vast difference between the quality of the candidates I don’t even understand how it’s close. Trump is such a simple, obvious, con man and it saddens me that this many people have fallen for his grift. Do I agree with all of Kamala’s views, nope but it’s like if you had a choice to eat a cheeseburger or a pile of dog shit, and your like “but does the cheeseburger has pickles on it?”
Exactly. I find it weird, people don't consider this solely as a "vote in a dumb-as-a-rock fascism-loving lunatic" or "a normal standard person" election, but still just as a left to right election. Whatever your view on abortion, or taxes, or healthcare may be, couldn't that be put aside for four years and vote in a normal functioning human being and not a really-really dumb and self-absorbed piece of shit who knows nothing about anything and is like sprung out of a The Hills Have Eyes movie?
If the choices were republican Mitt Romney or a democratic "7-year old who hasn't even run a lemonade stand, with Bill Cosby as the VP pick" - would democrats not vote for Mitt Romney?
It's bizarre.
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It seems like he was a creep in his law firm days and I've not even mentioned yet him thinking it was a good idea to have an affair with his kids' nanny/teacher. If he wasn't married to Kamala you would think he was a creep.
Sure, compare everyone to Trump, Epstein, Weinstein and they look like saints. But don't excuse bad behavior because they aren't as egregious as others. It is great Ed stands up for women at the concerts, but it is disappointing to see them then talk with a man who has such little respect for them.
And if I recall, Emhoff has repented for his sins. Something the other guy absolutely refuses to do. “I don’t take responsibility for anything.”
If you’re looking for purity in politics, or really anywhere in life, you’re going to be a lonely, lonely person.
He denied slapping his girlfriend so, no, I don't think he has repented for his sins.
Sounds like you are just making excuses because he supports the party you support. The old "everybody does it" excuse. Good stuff.
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I absolutely believe the slapping accusations. It seems credible to me. It isn't like there is money to be made by falsely accusing as I would agree that a slap is definitely not the same level as other accusations that could be made.
And just so you all know, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and voted for Biden/Harris in 2020. I am pro-abortion but also can understand being passionate about being pro-life so I don't think each side is evil. So don't label me as MAGA or think that bringing Trump in as a defense is going to make one iota of difference to my thought process.
I trust the band. They seem like really good people. But, like the Jackson song I was listening to this morning, its "human nature" to look past faults of those you want to like.
Principled stands are more meaningful when you make a difficult decision in the process.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Dude knocked up his kids' teacher and nanny.
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Similarly, to the ridiculous hypothetical that was posed above, Dhani Harrison is not responsible for his father's behavior or his father's erstwhile bandmates' behavior. There is an obvious difference between that imaginary scenario and choosing to engage directly with someone who stands accused of exactly the kind of thing the band has taken principled stands on throughout its career.
In sum, two things can be true at the same time:
1) Trump is unfit for office for many reasons, including that he stands credibly accused of sexual violence by numerous women and has, in fact, bragged about his ability to commit acts of sexual violence and get away with it; and
2) Cozying up to someone who also stands accused of domestic violence looks hypocritical for people who have been outspoken against domestic violence in their lives and in their music.
So forgive me after hearing Ed talk about probably 45 minutes now at concerts on women’s rights since 2021 (which is awesome and I applaud the guy), to be a little curious to hear them give a pulpit to this man.
If the choices were republican Mitt Romney or a democratic "7-year old who hasn't even run a lemonade stand, with Bill Cosby as the VP pick" - would democrats not vote for Mitt Romney?
It's bizarre.