** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

jerparker20

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

Merkin Baller

Complaining about the nazi comparisons reminds me of the South Park N word episode. 

IYKYK

Get_Right

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Big politics is a business. It is not about policy. Policy in an election year is just a speech on a given day to a given audience. It is about how many votes can be won. Trump's marketing was better. That and the hate speech towards those that questioned current Democratic leadership tuned the tide. There will always be red and blue, it's the middle that matters and the Dems shit the bed on this one.

If a person leaves the Paris Accords a non-idiot wouldn’t vote for that person though.

No matter the ”marketing”

Yep. Climate change is likely to suffer. But it's not that simple. Most Americans do not even know what that is. Sadly. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that he ran a better campaign and that is why he won. And it is not fair to call someone a idiot because they bought in. The Dems came up weak. Their message never reached that idiot and that was the problem. That is all. Not about policy. Just my commentary on the process. Which sucks.

Glorified KC

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

Jesus christ.  And a woman couldn't deliver a serve resulting in a similar head injury?  Give me a fucking break.

Spiritual_Chaos

Get_Right said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Big politics is a business. It is not about policy. Policy in an election year is just a speech on a given day to a given audience. It is about how many votes can be won. Trump's marketing was better. That and the hate speech towards those that questioned current Democratic leadership tuned the tide. There will always be red and blue, it's the middle that matters and the Dems shit the bed on this one.

If a person leaves the Paris Accords a non-idiot wouldn’t vote for that person though.

No matter the ”marketing”

Yep. Climate change is likely to suffer. But it's not that simple. Most Americans do not even know what that is. Sadly. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that he ran a better campaign and that is why he won. And it is not fair to call someone a idiot because they bought in. The Dems came up weak. Their message never reached that idiot and that was the problem. That is all. Not about policy. Just my commentary on the process. Which sucks.

The dems came up weak. 

I think excusing people voting for him after 8 years of showing who he is and what he is - it would be impossible and dishonest to not acknowledge them as idiots.


At the same time. This made me laugh today:

Glorified KC

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Get_Right

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Big politics is a business. It is not about policy. Policy in an election year is just a speech on a given day to a given audience. It is about how many votes can be won. Trump's marketing was better. That and the hate speech towards those that questioned current Democratic leadership tuned the tide. There will always be red and blue, it's the middle that matters and the Dems shit the bed on this one.

If a person leaves the Paris Accords a non-idiot wouldn’t vote for that person though.

No matter the ”marketing”

Yep. Climate change is likely to suffer. But it's not that simple. Most Americans do not even know what that is. Sadly. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that he ran a better campaign and that is why he won. And it is not fair to call someone a idiot because they bought in. The Dems came up weak. Their message never reached that idiot and that was the problem. That is all. Not about policy. Just my commentary on the process. Which sucks.

The dems came up weak. 

I think excusing people voting for him after 8 years of showing who he is and what he is - it would be impossible and dishonest to not acknowledge them as idiots.


At the same time. This made me laugh today:

That made me laugh. Thank you. As much as I hate to say it, there are many people in the US that are not informed. They do not understand what it means to be charged as a criminal or a sex offender. They listen to the slogans and the rah rahs and vote that way without being informed. There is no debate about Trump's character. He is not a good person and is 100% self interested. So how does he win? Because the other side did not step up and show their position. They were apathetic and that is why they lost.   

cincybearcat

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

Glorified KC

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

cincybearcat

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

Glorified KC

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

That's co-ed.  Your sampling is not congruent with the Republican narrative.  You can cherry pick all of the injuries that happen in women's sports with transgender athletes as much as you can cherry pick those without.  Referencing the two examples by jerparker is just fishing for information to fit a narrative.  I'm not advocating for transgender athletes to compete in women's sports.  I'm pushing back against the narrative of fear mongering. 

Get_Right

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

Would you want your daughter on a soccer pitch, a volleyball court, a lacrosse field, a field hockey game, or even ice hockey game against a larger male that claims to identify as female? Competing against a male in the pool? If you have a dick, get off the female team and do not compete against females. You are a male. You can identify however you want and that is ok. I have no issue with your choices. Just stay out of sports.

GlowGirl

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

I don't know much about this issue but what about transgender men. Should they play women's sports or men's sports. I have a friend who is a transgender man. And the testosterone he takes has made him quite muscular. So, should he be playing women's sports since he was born a woman? I'm genuinely interested in what people have to say about this since I rarely hear about the issue from this perspective.

Spiritual_Chaos

Pretty sure the various sports leagues etc will make more informed decisions regarding this than some people on a Pearl Jam message board. 

Compared to all of us being safer to decide over US nukes than Donald Trump

Glorified KC

Get_Right said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

Would you want your daughter on a soccer pitch, a volleyball court, a lacrosse field, a field hockey game, or even ice hockey game against a larger male that claims to identify as female? Competing against a male in the pool? If you have a dick, get off the female team and do not compete against females. You are a male. You can identify however you want and that is ok. I have no issue with your choices. Just stay out of sports.

Then keep the argument to that.  Injuries, serious injuries, are possible no matter what mix of gender you have out there.

Get_Right

GlowGirl said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

I don't know much about this issue but what about transgender men. Should they play women's sports or men's sports. I have a friend who is a transgender man. And the testosterone he takes has made him quite muscular. So, should he be playing women's sports since he was born a woman? I'm genuinely interested in what people have to say about this since I rarely hear about the issue from this perspective.

My take is be who you want to be, live your best life, but stay out of competitive sports. Join a club, find a team, there are options. It just raises so many questions about fairness. Why stir the pot?

Get_Right

Glorified KC said:

Get_Right said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

Would you want your daughter on a soccer pitch, a volleyball court, a lacrosse field, a field hockey game, or even ice hockey game against a larger male that claims to identify as female? Competing against a male in the pool? If you have a dick, get off the female team and do not compete against females. You are a male. You can identify however you want and that is ok. I have no issue with your choices. Just stay out of sports.

Then keep the argument to that.  Injuries, serious injuries, are possible no matter what mix of gender you have out there.

And that is politics skewed to gain favor. I do not even know if there are statistics to support the position that trans participation increases injuries. But statistics can be found to support almost any position.

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pretty sure the various sports leagues etc will make more informed decisions regarding this than some people on a Pearl Jam message board. 

Compared to all of us being safer to decide over US nukes than Donald Trump

Why would you assume that?  You participate in any sports leagues?  Have any kids in them now?

cincybearcat

GlowGirl said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

I don't know much about this issue but what about transgender men. Should they play women's sports or men's sports. I have a friend who is a transgender man. And the testosterone he takes has made him quite muscular. So, should he be playing women's sports since he was born a woman? I'm genuinely interested in what people have to say about this since I rarely hear about the issue from this perspective.

Yup great questions.  Testosterone is basically PED....so I would say follow the science on determining what creates a competitive advantage and not allow it.  

cincybearcat

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

cincybearcat said:

Glorified KC said:

jerparker20 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

It's just been a loaded question from the right though hasn't it? A non-issue that is made an issue.

In Indiana...gov-elect Braun got called out in a debate for running ads saying McCormick (dem nominee) wanted to allow "males to compete in women's sports"...She never supported that. No one does. She called him out for the lie and up until Tuesday night the ads were still running.

Or the ad showing Harris saying prisoners should get sex change operations...a bill produced during the trump admin

Just bullshit. 

But it is happening. Maybe not in every school, but there are biological males that play agains females. So how is it a non issue? Maybe blown up to be a bigger problem than it is, but it's not a non-issue. Pretending it's a non-issue was part of the problem. 

example?

but my point was the accusation was made without merit or evidence

This story made national news. You never heard of it?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

says "alleged"...so was it a male or no?

Her story was everywhere when it happened. Google her name.
https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/payton-mcnabb/
On September 1, 2022, during a volleyball game against a rival North Carolina high school, 17-year-old Payton McNabb received a devastating head and neck injury as the result of a spike by a male athlete who identified as transgender.
Have you really never heard of any of these stories? Lia Thomas? College team forfeiting because they didn't want to play against biological males in a tournament?
like I said, it may not be an every school thing, but it definitely happens. 

https://cbn.com/news/us/christian-school-banned-and-blacklisted-after-girls-team-forfeits-game-over-trans-opponent
I heard of that story a while ago when it happened, didn't know they got banned for it until just now. Not only did they forfeit the tournament, the whole school was kicked out of the sports organization for refusing to play against a biological male. So I guess you pick between breaking your neck or getting kicked out? 

And we only hear about the stories that have a big consequence, like major injury or shattering records. I'm sure it happens every day that we don't hear about it. 

A lot of people are saying...

LOL yeah there's very few trans athletes so whatever 

It’s been reported on several articles/studies that there approximately 40 openly trans athletes competing in high school sports in the entire country. 

I guess these injuries that are a result of a transgender athlete never happen when there are no transgender athletes.  None of these injuries can occur unless there's a transgender athlete present.  This is coincidence and absolute bullshit.  Eric Hovde used the same ploy on Tammy Baldwin in the WI senate race.

Regardless of injuries or not, in the spirit of competition, if there isn't a difference why do we separate women from men in sports?  

Maybe we shouldn't, just 1 league, if you are good enough you play, if not, no play for you.....c'mon.  

I'll listen to the lack of competitive balance from transgender athletes in women's sports, but what pisses me off is the Republican strategy to take it up a level and put the fear into voters that their kids are more susceptible to injury.  That tactic drives me up the wall.

While I do not think it is the main reason I am concerned about this issue...the data would say women are more susceptible to injuries playing against men.

"Yes, women in co-ed leagues are more likely to experience injuries than women in women-only leagues:

• Injury rate

  In one study, the injury rate in co-ed matches was 7.5 times higher than in training, while in women-only leagues, the rate was nearly four times higher in matches than in training."

That's co-ed.  Your sampling is not congruent with the Republican narrative.  You can cherry pick all of the injuries that happen in women's sports with transgender athletes as much as you can cherry pick those without.  Referencing the two examples by jerparker is just fishing for information to fit a narrative.  I'm not advocating for transgender athletes to compete in women's sports.  I'm pushing back against the narrative of fear mongering. 

Yup it's co-ed...though it doesn;t take a large leap to know that someone who had testosterone helping build muscle to a level much higher than the average female athlete does pose some extra risk in physical sports against female opponents.  

Though I do agree that the #1 concern...for me...is competitive fairness.