** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

Tim Simmons

Philly NJ said:

tbergs said:

Philly NJ said:

Arizona just announced that it could take 10-13 days to tabulate all votes… Taiwan just held their election. They require photo ID and use paper ballots. They hand-count the votes of each station one by one, in public view. There are no mail ballots. It’s all done in 6 hours.

https://x.com/i/status/1849118066585579722

Something is wrong with our ballot counting. Wonder what it could be? Wonder why Harris is against voter ID?

So America first and take America back, but also we should be more like Taiwan? Do you even know anything about how Taiwan is governed and what freedoms/rights/laws they have in place? Nice out of context talking point regurgitation though. How stupid. 

Mail in ballots and absentee ballots are the biggest sources of fraud.

Link? 

The Juggler

"LOOK. HOW. FLORIDA. DOES. IT"
https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/investigates/how-florida-counts-votes-so-fast-compared-to-other-states

How Florida counts votes so fast compared to other states

Once considered a laughingstock, Florida has become a model example for holding elections

Fox 4 Investigates' Ryan Kruger looks into how and why Florida counts ballots faster than other states after the 2000 election.

By: Ryan Kruger

Posted 5:13 PM, Nov 11, 2022

 

and last updated 8:05 PM, Nov 11, 2022

Three days have passed since the polls closed, and the balance of power in the next Congress is still unknown.

While several states, including Arizona, Nevada and California, are still counting ballots, Florida mostly finished its voting on election night.

How did a state that was once considered a national laughingstock for its handling of the 2000 Presidential election between Al Gore and George W. Bush become a national example for efficient elections?

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Florida Gulf Coast University Political Science Professor Dr. Peter Bergerson says state leaders made changes to how the state handles election season.

“They put in some additional guidelines, more money for better machines, more professionalized training,” Bergerson said.

That includes passing legislation that allows local counties to start counting mail-in ballots 22 days before election day.

State law also requires early voting ballots, in most instances, to be completely counted on the day before election day.

Results from early voting must also be posted within 30 minutes of the polls closing.

Voting by mail is possibly the largest difference between Florida and other states.

In Florida, a mail-in ballot has to be received by 7:00 p.m. on election day.

Meanwhile, Nevada law calls for the mail-in ballots to be postmarked by election day. Those ballots can be received up until the Saturday after election day.

“Different states have different rules for the hours of voting, for how they're tabulated, how the results are released. And so, it is really a broad mix of different types of elections and different states,” said Stephen Ohlemacher, the AP Election Decision Editor.

Emma Steiner, who studies disinformation for the voting advocacy group Common Cause, says while there is nothing nefarious going on with the vote counts in other states, as the count drags on, it gives bad actors ammo to pounce.

“We’ve seen and will continue to see bad actors and disinformation spreaders push the narrative that only election night results are valid and that counting ballots after election day is an indicator of widespread fraud,” said Steiner.

The Juggler

"Look how Florida does it. They had huge problems with ballot counting in the past. They addressed it and have results the night of the election."

^Agreed! 
lol


https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/22/florida-election-early-voting-vote-mail/75788137007/

When are early voting and vote-by-mail ballots counted in Florida?

Each state has its own laws on when ballots may be counted or even processed. Some states only allow ballots to be processed — checked for signature or other identifying information and compared to the voter's registration record — on Election Day, and that can back things up very quickly if there's a big turnout.

Once processed, votes can be counted, but that can't happen until the polls close in some states.

Florida law streamlines the process, allowing ballots to be processed as soon as they are received and counted as soon as the county has completed public testing of the automatic tabulating equipment, which starts at least 25 days before early voting begins. The results are kept secret and releasing them early is a felony.

Florida also usually cuts off its early voting two days before Election Day, which gives county officials more time to tabulate them. By default, early voting ends Saturday, Nov. 2, although each county may opt to extend it to Sunday and a few are. Early voting for Pinellas and Taylor counties has been extended to Election Day due to damage and obstacles from Hurricane Milton in an executive order issued by Gov. Ron DeSantis Thursday.

In August, Gov. Ron DeSantis bragged about how fast Florida reported its election results, saying "Florida elections have millions more votes cast than in PA elections, yet we count the votes and report the results on election night — and do so in an efficient and transparent manner.

"There is no reason why this cannot be done in every state in America," he said.

Merkin Baller

When "letting the states decide" stops working for them...... 

The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

When "letting the states decide" stops working for them...... 

When saying "Look how Florida does it" completely explodes in your face. 

Merkin Baller

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

When "letting the states decide" stops working for them...... 

When saying "Look how Florida does it" completely explodes in your face. 

This is what happens when people just repeat things they hear on [insert the name of your favorite RW news outlet here]. 

The Juggler

Especially being from PA, it's frustrating whenever I see people talking about it, especially in the media--they hardly ever explain the reason why. 

Merkin Baller

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The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

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All part of Rigged Election 2.0. We see it starting even with our board members in here.

Johnny Abruzzo

This is severe election disinformation spread by PhillyNJ - just wrong and purposely spread to sow confusion and mistrust. Pure fascism.

Merkin Baller

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

tbergs said:

So America first and take America back, but also we should be more like Taiwan? Do you even know anything about how Taiwan is governed and what freedoms/rights/laws they have in place? Nice out of context talking point regurgitation though. How stupid. 

What studies are you looking at related to this fraud? It seems like you are just making shit up that you've seen on the internet.

Well, even Repbubs said that the 2020 election was the most secure.(I forgot the guys name who was the head of election Security, but he wasn't the only one)

Also, didn't the courts agree that 2020 was Safe and secure election?

Please Stop drinking the Trump Juice=HA

His name was Christopher Krebs, a "widely respected member of [trump's] administration". He was fired by trump shortly after confirming the authenticity of the results. 

Weird, I know. 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-fires-christopher-krebs-dhs-5e63923e0c11c9155eb5af2362d78548

Trump fires agency head who vouched for 2020 vote security

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump fired the nation’s top election security official, a widely respected member of his administration who had dared to refute the president’s unsubstantiated claims of electoral fraud and vouch for the integrity of the vote.

While abrupt, the dismissal Tuesday of Christopher Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, was not a surprise. Since his loss, Trump has been ridding his administration of officials seen as insufficiently loyal and has been denouncing the conduct of an election that led to an embarrassing defeat to Democrat Joe Biden.

That made Krebs a prime target. He had used the imprimatur of Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security, where his agency was based, to issue a stream of statements and tweets over the past week attesting to the proper conduct of the election and denouncing the falsehoods spread by the Republican president and his supporters — without mentioning Trump by name.

Johnny Abruzzo

PA mail-in ballots cannot be counted before Election Day because that's the law per Act 77, passed in 2019. PA Republicans have held up the bill to allow advance counting of the ballots, in the PA Senate, which they control 28-22. They have demanded that voters provide ID every election, a law that was already overturned by PA Supreme Court about 10 years ago. They have also held up a PA Constitution amendment to remove the statute of limitations on clergy abuse claims, also wanting to put in the ID requirement. So PA Republicans are essentially running interference for clergy sexual abusers, which is probably something they are doing on purpose IMO. Anyway, back on topic, voters do have to present ID the first time they vote at a precinct. And they have to provide a state ID number in order to vote by mail. They also have to provide their name, address & DOB to vote in person (How do I know? I'm an election worker in Delco).

The voter ID law was overturned due to the plaintiff, a woman from North Philly in her 80s who was born in the Deep South in the early 20th century and could not obtain her birth certificate, and never had a picture ID her whole life. Voter ID laws are typically used for voter suppression. The Speaker of the PA House at the time said that the voter ID law "would deliver Pennsylvania for Mitt Romney."

I remember two cases of voter fraud from the 2020 election. Both were Republicans attempting to vote twice, using their dead mothers. I haven't heard any other cases from that election, but I may have missed something. Either way, nothing even close to being enough to change the results. Although a couple state house elections came down to a couple dozen votes in 2022 and Democrats won control 102-101.

The idea that certain counties "cannot be trusted" to not "leak results early" is preposterous and blatant disinformation.

Mods, please do not allow election disinformation to be posted on this website.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo said:

PA mail-in ballots cannot be counted before Election Day because that's the law per Act 77, passed in 2019. PA Republicans have held up the bill to allow advance counting of the ballots, in the PA Senate, which they control 28-22. They have demanded that voters provide ID every election, a law that was already overturned by PA Supreme Court about 10 years ago. They have also held up a PA Constitution amendment to remove the statute of limitations on clergy abuse claims, also wanting to put in the ID requirement. So PA Republicans are essentially running interference for clergy sexual abusers, which is probably something they are doing on purpose IMO. Anyway, back on topic, voters do have to present ID the first time they vote at a precinct. And they have to provide a state ID number in order to vote by mail. They also have to provide their name, address & DOB to vote in person (How do I know? I'm an election worker in Delco).

The voter ID law was overturned due to the plaintiff, a woman from North Philly in her 80s who was born in the Deep South in the early 20th century and could not obtain her birth certificate, and never had a picture ID her whole life. Voter ID laws are typically used for voter suppression. The Speaker of the PA House at the time said that the voter ID law "would deliver Pennsylvania for Mitt Romney."

I remember two cases of voter fraud from the 2020 election. Both were Republicans attempting to vote twice, using their dead mothers. I haven't heard any other cases from that election, but I may have missed something. Either way, nothing even close to being enough to change the results. Although a couple state house elections came down to a couple dozen votes in 2022 and Democrats won control 102-101.

The idea that certain counties "cannot be trusted" to not "leak results early" is preposterous and blatant disinformation.

Mods, please do not allow election disinformation to be posted on this website.

Johnny Abruzzo

https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/vote/elections/fact-checking-pa-related-election-claims.html#accordion-283674539f-item-8bc76fed09

Halifax2TheMax

Johnny Abruzzo said:

PA mail-in ballots cannot be counted before Election Day because that's the law per Act 77, passed in 2019. PA Republicans have held up the bill to allow advance counting of the ballots, in the PA Senate, which they control 28-22. They have demanded that voters provide ID every election, a law that was already overturned by PA Supreme Court about 10 years ago. They have also held up a PA Constitution amendment to remove the statute of limitations on clergy abuse claims, also wanting to put in the ID requirement. So PA Republicans are essentially running interference for clergy sexual abusers, which is probably something they are doing on purpose IMO. Anyway, back on topic, voters do have to present ID the first time they vote at a precinct. And they have to provide a state ID number in order to vote by mail. They also have to provide their name, address & DOB to vote in person (How do I know? I'm an election worker in Delco).

The voter ID law was overturned due to the plaintiff, a woman from North Philly in her 80s who was born in the Deep South in the early 20th century and could not obtain her birth certificate, and never had a picture ID her whole life. Voter ID laws are typically used for voter suppression. The Speaker of the PA House at the time said that the voter ID law "would deliver Pennsylvania for Mitt Romney."

I remember two cases of voter fraud from the 2020 election. Both were Republicans attempting to vote twice, using their dead mothers. I haven't heard any other cases from that election, but I may have missed something. Either way, nothing even close to being enough to change the results. Although a couple state house elections came down to a couple dozen votes in 2022 and Democrats won control 102-101.

The idea that certain counties "cannot be trusted" to not "leak results early" is preposterous and blatant disinformation.

Mods, please do not allow election disinformation to be posted on this website.

Particularly since I had my tongue and cheek comment of, “vote early, vote often” removed without comment.

Get_Right

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I just hope it's called on election night. none of this bush/gore BS

Agree on that. In 2024 there is no reason that the results should not be quantified. Unless the hackers get in

There’s plenty of logistical and legal reasons as to why the count will take more than a few hours. 

I am just baffled that in this day and age there is not a more advanced way of submitting and counting votes. I know there is still a portion of our country that cannot afford cell phones, a computer or the internet. And there are citizens out of the country. But there has to be a better way in 2024. 

Kat

Johnny Abruzzo said:

https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/vote/elections/fact-checking-pa-related-election-claims.html#accordion-283674539f-item-8bc76fed09

If you see election disinformation, please flag the post so we can go right to it. Thank you.

Fact-Checking Pennsylvania-Related Election Claims

We are committed to providing accurate, trustworthy information about election administration in Pennsylvania and to combatting damaging misinformation and disinformation about our elections. 

Does Pennsylvania have early voting?

The short answer

Pennsylvania does not have early voting the way many other states do. Instead, Pennsylvanians can vote by mail ballot in person at their county elections office or designated satellite office once ballots have been finalized and are available.

In Pennsylvania, registered voters can vote before Election Day only by completing and returning their mail-in ballot. Although voters can return their mail ballots up to and including Election Day, they must request their ballot on or before Oct. 29. Voters have three ways to request their mail-in ballot:

• online, 
• by mail, or
• in person at their county election office (or other officially designated satellite office). With this option, a voter can request, receive, complete, and return their mail ballot all in one visit.

See the full answer

Voting by mail is safe and secure, and no evidence exists of widespread mail voting fraud in Pennsylvania.

The short answer

Mail ballot fraud has been proven to be exceptionally rare. Claims of systemic voter fraud are devoid of any supporting evidence and have consistently been rejected by judges, government agencies, and election experts across the political spectrum.

See the full answer

Mail voting in Pennsylvania has multiple layers of security that involve registered voters having to provide appropriate ID before their mail ballot can be counted and that prevent any voter from casting more than one ballot in any given election.

Pennsylvanians have been voting by mail since the Civil War, and the process has a long history of being safe and secure.

Unsolicited voter registration applications are not being sent by the Pennsylvania Department of State or any county election office in Pennsylvania. Voters are not required to respond to any voter registration or mail ballot application. If a voter is uncertain about their registration status, they should go to vote.pa.gov/status. If they are uncertain about their mail ballot status, they should go to vote.pa.gov/mailballotstatus.

The short answer

Voter registration information is a public record. Political groups and other non-governmental organizations often use this information to send targeted mail to registered voters, especially during presidential election cycles. These mailers may include applications for voter registration or applications for mail-in ballots that contain pre-filled information such as a voter's name and address. You should make sure the pre-filled information is accurate; if it’s not, your voter record may need to be updated. You can check by going to vote.pa.gov/status.

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Pennsylvania did NOT register hundreds of thousands of new voters without photo ID in the first three months of 2024. 

The short answer

The Help America Vote Verification (HAVV) data cited in a 2024 viral social media post does NOT represent the number of newly registered voters in Pennsylvania, and any claim to the contrary is false. 

That HAVV data represents the total number of transactions that Pennsylvania’s 67 counties sent for Social Security number (SSN) verification for multiple purposes, not only for voter registration. 

See the full answer

Pennsylvanians won’t always know the final results of all races on election night, and any changes in results that occur after election night are not evidence that an election is “rigged.”

The short answer

Hundreds of thousands – sometimes millions – of mail ballots are cast in every election, and current state law does not permit counties to begin opening these ballots until 7 a.m. on Election Day. That means county election officials cannot even remove the ballots from the envelopes and prepare them to be scanned until that time – on a day when those same officials are also running more than 9,000 polling places across the state.

Then, under the Election Code, counties may not even begin to record and publish mail ballot results until after the polls close at 8 p.m. Election Day.

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Only U.S. citizens can register to vote through Pennsylvania’s automatic voter registration (AVR) process. Noncitizens may not legally register to vote in Pennsylvania and cannot register through the AVR process.

The short answer

To be eligible to register to vote in Pennsylvania, applicants must be: 

• a U.S. citizen for at least 30 days,  
• a resident of Pennsylvania for at least 30 days, and  
• at least 18 years old on or before the date of the next election. ​
  

When Pennsylvania residents go to Department of Transportation (PennDOT) centers to obtain a new or renewed state ID, only those residents who meet all three of the above criteria are presented with the automatic voter registration (AVR) screens. Individuals who do not provide proof of U.S. citizenship are not presented with the AVR screens and are therefore, never given the opportunity to apply to register to vote.

See the full answer

Poll watchers in Pennsylvania may not handle ballots at any time.

Poll workers are prohibited from engaging in partisan political activity on Election Day.

The short answer

The Pennsylvania Election Code clearly describes what poll watchers and authorized representatives can do; they are not allowed to handle ballots. Detailed information on what poll watchers can and cannot do is available via the Pennsylvania Department of State's guidance for poll watchers and authorized representatives.

See the full answer

Claims that there were “more votes than voters” in Pennsylvania in the 2020 general election are false.

The short answer

Official public documents from the Department of State show that 6,945,045 registered voters successfully cast a ballot in Pennsylvania’s November 2020 election and that a total of 6,915,283 votes were recorded as cast in the presidential election. These two data points clearly show that there were not “more votes than voters” in the 2020 general election.

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It’s false that some voting systems used in some Pennsylvania counties cannot accurately read ballots where voters use Sharpie markers to fill in the ovals beside their selected candidates.

The short answer

All claims made since 2020 that Pennsylvania voters’ ballots marked with Sharpies were unable to be counted--as well as claims that election workers deliberately handed out Sharpies to voters in an effort to invalidate their ballots--were determined by the Department of State to be unfounded. 

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Pennsylvania counties did not mail 240,000+ “unverified ballots” in the weeks leading up to the November 2022 election. 

The short answer

There were not 240,000+ mail ballots sent to “unverified” requesters for the November 2022 election. The vast majority of voters provide proper ID when they apply to vote by mail, and any mail-in or absentee ballot from a voter whose identification cannot be verified by the sixth day after the election is not counted.

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It’s false that automatic voter registration means that Pennsylvania automatically registers Pennsylvania residents to vote without their consent and/or without verifying their eligibility.

The short answer

Commonwealth residents obtaining a new or renewed driver license or ID card who meet voter eligibility requirements are automatically taken through the voter registration application process at PennDOT driver and photo license centers unless they opt out of doing so.

Previously, eligible voters were required to take additional steps to opt in to the voter registration process. 

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Johnny Abruzzo

Posts are all flagged - thanks.

The Juggler

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I just hope it's called on election night. none of this bush/gore BS

Agree on that. In 2024 there is no reason that the results should not be quantified. Unless the hackers get in

There’s plenty of logistical and legal reasons as to why the count will take more than a few hours. 

I am just baffled that in this day and age there is not a more advanced way of submitting and counting votes. I know there is still a portion of our country that cannot afford cell phones, a computer or the internet. And there are citizens out of the country. But there has to be a better way in 2024. 

As pointed out numerous times, there are laws in place preventing the counting of early votes/vbm, but it's the republicans, at least in PA (which was the deciding state last time and likely this time), that refuse to allow that law to be changed. 

So, yes, it is frustrating. It also seems like that it is part of their plan to sow doubt about the results and muddy up the waters. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

Philly NJ said:

tbergs said:

Philly NJ said:

Arizona just announced that it could take 10-13 days to tabulate all votes… Taiwan just held their election. They require photo ID and use paper ballots. They hand-count the votes of each station one by one, in public view. There are no mail ballots. It’s all done in 6 hours.

https://x.com/i/status/1849118066585579722

Something is wrong with our ballot counting. Wonder what it could be? Wonder why Harris is against voter ID?

So America first and take America back, but also we should be more like Taiwan? Do you even know anything about how Taiwan is governed and what freedoms/rights/laws they have in place? Nice out of context talking point regurgitation though. How stupid. 

Taiwan is just a reference point. Look how Florida does it. They had huge problems with ballot counting in the past. They addressed it and have results the night of the election. AZ on the other hand was plagued with problems in 2020 and 2022. Most Americans want vote tabulation to be trusted and fair. We don't have that now: ie PA, GA, MI, AZ.

Mail in ballots and absentee ballots are the biggest sources of fraud. Harris wants more of it.

The 'Cyber Ninjas' looked into the ballot issues in Arizona and came away with nothing, but go off in your tinfoil hat all the same. 

not true. the found bidens total was undercounted.