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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    It's just science. It's nothing political for me. You won't get a rise out of me.
    I know it’s science, that’s what I’m referring to with intersexed people and how that dismantles a rigid, binary definition of a man or woman. 
    Not in contact sport it doesn't. Sure in life have as many definitions as you like. I'm all for people being free and happy. But in sport and even more so striking sports it's binary. If you test high in testosterone for  any reason you cannot punch someone of a regular level for your sport. It really is that simple 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    Go Beavers said:
    Hoagie Breath said:
    Funny how it never seems to go ther other way, woman wanting to play mens sports. Gee, I wonder why lol.  Whole topic is a joke. 
    They exist, but you don’t hear about it because it doesn’t make good clickbait for twitter. 
    No. You don’t hear about it because it’s not controversial. It doesn’t give them an unfair advantage to play up. It’s not putting others at greater risk of injury. So nothing to talk about.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    edited August 3
    mace1229 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Hoagie Breath said:
    Funny how it never seems to go ther other way, woman wanting to play mens sports. Gee, I wonder why lol.  Whole topic is a joke. 
    They exist, but you don’t hear about it because it doesn’t make good clickbait for twitter. 
    No. You don’t hear about it because it’s not controversial. It doesn’t give them an unfair advantage to play up. It’s not putting others at greater risk of injury. So nothing to talk about.
    The Olympics do not see it as an unfair advantage? Anything that is deemed to be, is forbidden.

    No one is forced to apply to and compete in the Olympics if they do not find their rules fitting. They can e.g. go compete with organizations that are both funded by and let Russians compete under their own flag. And who wing decisions after Russian athletes loose. 

    It's obviously not an clear cut thing and something to discuss (within the sport world), but abusing and misgendering a person in here and on SoMe in general is icky behaviour. Like that piece of shit hungarian opponent she is to fight next.
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 3
    ^ SC, So my daughter shouldn't play BC soccer if she doesn't want to play against a U14 XY chromosomal female identifying child that injured her.

    That's what you're saying, that's what the coach said, and that's what BC soccer says. And it sounds like the Olympics are okay with it, too?

    I'm not saying she doesn't want to play. Being injured by them/they doesn't bother her (except for the vision loss, pain, headaches, and inability to enjoy regular summer activities like jumping on a wibit, playing soccer, running, or tubing). She doesn't know the ramifications of concussions, however.

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    Spunkie said:
    ^ SC, So my daughter shouldn't play BC soccer if she doesn't want to play against a U14 XY chromosomal female identifying child that injured her.

    That's what you're saying, that's what the coach said, and that's what BC soccer says. And it sounds like the Olympics are okay with it, too?

    I'm not saying she doesn't want to play. Being injured by them/they doesn't bother her (except for the vision loss, pain, headaches, and inability to enjoy regular summer activities like jumping on a wibit, playing soccer, running, or tubing). She doesn't know the ramifications of concussions, however.

    I'm not trying to be a dick but kids get injured in sports all the time. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    It's just science. It's nothing political for me. You won't get a rise out of me.
    I know it’s science, that’s what I’m referring to with intersexed people and how that dismantles a rigid, binary definition of a man or woman. 
    Not in contact sport it doesn't. Sure in life have as many definitions as you like. I'm all for people being free and happy. But in sport and even more so striking sports it's binary. If you test high in testosterone for  any reason you cannot punch someone of a regular level for your sport. It really is that simple 
    Are we talking about rules for sports exclusively? And I don’t think there’s any info out there on the boxer’s testosterone level. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    Yes sports that's what the topic is
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 3
    That time you're wording made me giggle. I didn't think you would ever talk like this I was surprised. That's a human being lol
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 3
    Gern Blansten said:
    Spunkie said:
    ^ SC, So my daughter shouldn't play BC soccer if she doesn't want to play against a U14 XY chromosomal female identifying child that injured her.

    That's what you're saying, that's what the coach said, and that's what BC soccer says. And it sounds like the Olympics are okay with it, too?

    I'm not saying she doesn't want to play. Being injured by them/they doesn't bother her (except for the vision loss, pain, headaches, and inability to enjoy regular summer activities like jumping on a wibit, playing soccer, running, or tubing). She doesn't know the ramifications of concussions, however.

    I'm not trying to be a dick but kids get injured in sports all the time. 
    True but it's not everyday a genetic boy hurts a girl at a provincial level of play.

    I think the point was made earlier in the discussion that perhaps the force on ball hit by that person would be greater than a genetic female.

    Or even the height difference: that person might have not stuck the ball back that smoked Pip squeak.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    What does BC Soccer mean? The ”BC” ?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,378
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What does BC Soccer mean? The ”BC” ?

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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 453
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,378
    board rules prevent us from saying who, though.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,388
    mickeyrat said:
    board rules prevent us from saying who, though.
    Haha
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    Hey, I resemble that comment :blush:
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    So my question to you SC was Olympics have transgender females playing with the females?

    Anyways I guess I can look that up.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,880
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…
    All in on the conspiracy. Of course you are. You're probably also on of those people who like Trump because  no one's "tougher" on Russia, but you also actually are a Russian lapdog. Good luck in your alternate reality.

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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    https://nationalpost.com/feature/transgender-inclusion-rules-paris-2024-olympics

    Each sport makes up their own rules.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    edited August 4
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…
    You don’t sound woke. And again, the random capitalization, a nice touch. Mahalo.
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 4
    Some of the sports accept gendered transitioned people if they transition before puberty. I didn't even know children were allowed to transition that early except maybe intersex?

    Maybe that's  Euro stuff?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    Spunkie said:
    Some of the sports accept gendered transitioned people if they transition before puberty. I didn't even know children were allowed to transition that early except maybe intersex?

    Maybe that's  Euro stuff?
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…
    Stop being so weird
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    Spunkie said:
    So my question to you SC was Olympics have transgender females playing with the females?

    Anyways I guess I can look that up.
    I know they don’t this year. But they had last time in Tokyo ( I think)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    edited August 5
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…

    Here is that persons instagram posts before the match regarding the ”controversy”. I take a guess you already knew this while typing your BS.
     








    So once again you were knowingly posting ignorant and hateful shit. 

    You should also be banned for infering she is not a woman and knowingly misgendering her, joining the online mob abusing her. I don’t think the Pearl Jam community should in any way allow or help foster that type of hate. My opinion but hopefully Kat can take a look through the guidelines and see if that is really allowed. It’s a really, really vile thing to do. Not surprised in this case. But abhorrant shitty stuff. 
    Post edited by Kat on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    Social media really is the dumbest most nasty side of humanity I can recommend turning it off .  I don't need that dirty shit in my life
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 453
    edited August 5
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…

    Here is that persons instagram posts before the match regarding the ”controversy”. I take a guess you already knew this while typing your BS.
     








    So once again you were knowingly posting ignorant and hateful shit. 

    You should also be banned for infering she is not a woman and knowingly misgendering her, joining the online mob abusing her. I don’t think the Pearl Jam community should in any way allow or help foster that type of hate. My opinion but hopefully Kat can take a look through the guidelines and see if that is really allowed. It’s a really, really vile thing to do. Not surprised in this case. But abhorrant shitty stuff. 
    Take it easy there name Mr Name Caller….
    I will just leave it at before triggering you even more with the REALITY of the situation with one of my faves….FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!  
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,388
    edited August 5
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Happy to see she won over that piece of shit hungarian boxer
    She??? Interesting take…Btw, that piece of shit Hungarian Boxer after the fight,congratulated her opponent and wished her luck for the remainder of the competition. SHE was also Asked about the controversy, SHE said: “I don’t care.”…That piece of shit Sounds like someone everyone would adore on here….where the silent majority knows who really is the Piece of Shit…

    Here is that persons instagram posts before the match regarding the ”controversy”. I take a guess you already knew this while typing your BS.
     








    So once again you were knowingly posting ignorant and hateful shit. 

    You should also be banned for infering she is not a woman and knowingly misgendering her, joining the online mob abusing her. I don’t think the Pearl Jam community should in any way allow or help foster that type of hate. My opinion but hopefully Kat can take a look through the guidelines and see if that is really allowed. It’s a really, really vile thing to do. Not surprised in this case. But abhorrant shitty stuff. 
    Take it easy there name Mr Name Caller….
    I will just leave it at before triggering you even more with the REALITY of the situation with one of my faves….FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!  
    When it is convenient.   Don't forget that part.  Follow the science, when it fits your viewpoint.

    How can the Trumpers claim to follow the science and then follow the religious right and beliefs based on a work of fiction?

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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 4
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Spunkie said:
    Some of the sports accept gendered transitioned people if they transition before puberty. I didn't even know children were allowed to transition that early except maybe intersex?

    Maybe that's  Euro stuff?
    Read ”Mad Honey”
    Thanks. I'll order it from the library.

    I appreciate you advocating for the preferred gendered terms and pronouns for everyone.

    There's a book mad honey by an author living in Kamloops, BC, on the traditional, unceded territory of the Secwepemc people about forgotten memories and keeping family together. And another one by Jody picoult??
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,732
    edited August 5
    Nvm ^ ..you mean Picoult 
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