Artist canceling tours

Spiritual_Chaos

My friend just a few days told me we saw them in 2010 at Rock Werchter. Don't remember it. But I guess it was good.

xavier mcdaniel

I think they opened for Pearl Jam at one of the of MSG shows in 2010.

cutz

xavier mcdaniel said:

I think they opened for Pearl Jam at one of the of MSG shows in 2010.

They did, but I forget the year.

xavier mcdaniel

cutz said:

xavier mcdaniel said:

I think they opened for Pearl Jam at one of the of MSG shows in 2010.

They did, but I forget the year.

I confirmed it was 2010 at MSG, Band of Horses opened the other night at MSG that year.

CantKeepmedown

I saw them in 2012 in Portland (about 9000 seat arena) and it was perfect. Amazing show, crowd was loud.  I never really got more into them after that.  Wasn't a fan of much after El Camino 

jerparker20

I think this is the reset of the live music business. 

Too many managers/promoters and large ego musicians saw what Taylor Swift was able to do with the Eras Tour and thought they could pull it off. Problem is they ain’t Taylor Swift.

Here in the Twin Cities the club and theater venues seem to be able to fill the house with tickets in the $35-100 range. The arenas and stadium shows not so much.

Zod

Isn't this one of the struggles of the modern era?  With streaming and the internet, there's a lot more fragmentation in musical tastes and options.   

Making it harder for artists to get to that arena/stadium tier.   Now it seems it's mostly the odd newer artists that bucked the trend, or artists that got big during before all of this happened.

Still, I like seeing it.   I feel I'm guilty that if I really want to go to a thing I'll go to the thing.  But seeing that other people are starting to talk with their wallets, I think that's good for the fans.

Spiritual_Chaos

xavier mcdaniel said:

I think they opened for Pearl Jam at one of the of MSG shows in 2010.

Didn't they and Band of Horses split opening for Pearl Jam

josevolution

I put a cap on my budget for concert $$ made an exception and spent 200 + for U2 at the Sphere but that was worth every single penny 

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

I put a cap on my budget for concert $$ made an exception and spent 200 + for U2 at the Sphere but that was worth every single penny 

U2 is understandable.  I paid 350 for 2nd row to see David Byrne and it was worth every cent. Not too many artists I'm doing that for. In fact I'm not, lol.

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

I put a cap on my budget for concert $$ made an exception and spent 200 + for U2 at the Sphere but that was worth every single penny 

U2 is understandable.  I paid 350 for 2nd row to see David Byrne and it was worth every cent. Not too many artists I'm doing that for. In fact I'm not, lol.

Yes there are exceptions but there’s not too many bands I’d do that for! 

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

I put a cap on my budget for concert $$ made an exception and spent 200 + for U2 at the Sphere but that was worth every single penny 

U2 is understandable.  I paid 350 for 2nd row to see David Byrne and it was worth every cent. Not too many artists I'm doing that for. In fact I'm not, lol.

Yes there are exceptions but there’s not too many bands I’d do that for! 

If Talking Heads get back together I will pay to see them.  My other bucket list was the Misfits and that box has been checked.  Maybe, maybe the Eurythmics if they put on a good show.

josevolution

Saw both Eurythmics & Talking heads I’d def make the exception for a full band TH reunion! Saw TH at Forest Hills 

PJ_Soul

It reminds me of capitalism as a system, lol. The artists thought they could keep just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and/or more and more expensive, and it seems to have never occurred to them that the constant growth would ultimately end up being unsustainable and the whole system would start collapsing.

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

It reminds me of capitalism as a system, lol. The artists thought they could keep just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and/or more and more expensive, and it seems to have never occurred to them that the constant growth would ultimately end up being unsustainable and the whole system would start collapsing.

Car and housing corporations!  Listen up!

Hawk123

PJ_Soul said:

It reminds me of capitalism as a system, lol. The artists thought they could keep just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and/or more and more expensive, and it seems to have never occurred to them that the constant growth would ultimately end up being unsustainable and the whole system would start collapsing.

pjl44

Keep in mind we're hyperfocusing on a handful of massive overshoots. The vast majority of shows I go to or look at sell reasonably well to great.

hihobibo

My son is going to this show tomorrow, and I wanted to check out how well it sold.  Look at this odd seat manipulation.  What do you think is going on here? Promoter/TM taking full rows and not selling them?  All promo tickets for radio? Very odd to have full rows unsold alternate with full rows of unavailable tickets. 

ComeToTX

jerparker20

ComeToTX said:

I was a bit surprised to see they booked arenas. They can sell out two nights in a row at brewery field here in the Twin Cities, maybe 3000-4000. But no way are they filling out Xcel Center in St Paul, 18000-20000. No way

mr bungle

hihobibo said:

My son is going to this show tomorrow, and I wanted to check out how well it sold.  Look at this odd seat manipulation.  What do you think is going on here? Promoter/TM taking full rows and not selling them?  All promo tickets for radio? Very odd to have full rows unsold alternate with full rows of unavailable tickets. 

It's a pretty common trick to give the illusion the building is fuller than it is, having staggered empty rows looks better from the stage than massive chunks of empty rows. whenever you see this, pretty safe bet tix sales are poor.  Based on this particular map, looks like no illusion is going to make this look good!  especially if the show is tomorrow.

drakeheuer14

All aboard the struggle bus. No way this show, or a lot of their tour happens in this size venue(s). 

xavier mcdaniel

speaking of this anyone seen this twitter account? https://x.com/UnderFaceValue

GlowGirl

xavier mcdaniel said:

speaking of this anyone seen this twitter account? https://x.com/UnderFaceValue

Wow. Interesting for sure. Something has to change. 

ComeToTX

jerparker20 said:

ComeToTX said:

I was a bit surprised to see they booked arenas. They can sell out two nights in a row at brewery field here in the Twin Cities, maybe 3000-4000. But no way are they filling out Xcel Center in St Paul, 18000-20000. No way

they did't sell out the place down the street 2 years ago that's much smaller.  makes no sense.

cutz

ComeToTX said:

I just read that Philly wants to build a Venue that sits 5500-6000.

This looks like this band should be playing in Venues of that size?(Do you know if sales are like that everywhere?)

Malroth

xavier mcdaniel said:

speaking of this anyone seen this twitter account? https://x.com/UnderFaceValue

Ha! somebody really wants pearl jam to retire.

tempo_n_groove

Malroth said:

xavier mcdaniel said:

speaking of this anyone seen this twitter account? https://x.com/UnderFaceValue

Ha! somebody really wants pearl jam to retire.

"You stood for nothing."  Ouch!

PJ_Soul

hihobibo said:

My son is going to this show tomorrow, and I wanted to check out how well it sold.  Look at this odd seat manipulation.  What do you think is going on here? Promoter/TM taking full rows and not selling them?  All promo tickets for radio? Very odd to have full rows unsold alternate with full rows of unavailable tickets. 

That's what they did for Pearl Jam's second show in Vancouver.

PJ_Soul

cutz said:

ComeToTX said:

I just read that Philly wants to build a Venue that sits 5500-6000.

This looks like this band should be playing in Venues of that size?(Do you know if sales are like that everywhere?)

Maybe, but that show isn't until October. They could still sell pretty well.

I do feel like like most shows I've been looking at are not selling as fast as they used to... I'm thinking people are just holding back because inflation has been so bad lately - cost of living is skyrocketing, and concert goers are more reluctant to buy tix, at least way ahead of time. Then I think FOMO hits a lot of them close to the show in a lot of cases, lol.