Agree on CDs-have the standard and deluxe copies. I don't have the cash to get vinyl editions of my whole catalogue and travel to the extent I do. First world problems.
If bonus tracks and variants weren't a thing on TTPD and DM I wonder what the difference would be.
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You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
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Another thing to consider is that, since the sales-tracking changes of Luminate on Jan. 1, nearly all of the recorded sales are at big retailers such as Target and Wal-Mart. The Indie Record stores, for now, are vastly under-represented in the tally.
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Another thing to consider is that, since the sales-tracking changes of Luminate on Jan. 1, nearly all of the recorded sales are at big retailers such as Target and Wal-Mart. The Indie Record stores, for now, are vastly under-represented in the tally.
Both of my adult daughters are Swifties, and asked me if I thought Pearl Jam's record would sell as many copies as Taylor's. My guess was that she would sell more copies in the first couple of weeks than PJ would sell for the rest of the year. Looks like it might be in just the first week.
You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
What was the step down from Hardwired to 72 Seasons? If there was one.
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You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
Honestly, I think that’s in same ballpark for “legacy” rock album sales these days. Metallica also has a bigger and somewhat different fan base than PJ.
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You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
What was the step down from Hardwired to 72 Seasons? If there was one.
My point is Metallica has had their fair share of criticism from fans. From the black album to Garage Inc. They always sell well.
You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
What was the step down from Hardwired to 72 Seasons? If there was one.
My point is Metallica has had their fair share of criticism from fans. From the black album to Garage Inc. They always sell well.
Is 146.000 well, is my question. By Metallica-standards.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Disappointing. Especially considering how good this album is. I was hoping they would be rewarded with good sales/charts.
I don't really find it disappointing, I believe it's a conscious decision by the band. They could have pushed different songs to radio and different radio stations. A few lyrical tweaks and shortening of songs could make them top hits but they prefer the artistic approach.
The marketing strategy of pointing your phone at the sky is wasted effort if you are looking for broad appeal. It just feels to me like they are choosing to fly under the radar at this point in life. Never worked once on my phone. I must be too outdated with Galaxy S21 being over 3 years old. That stuff might appeal to GenZ for newer bands but most of us between the age of 38 and 58 is like WTF and needs tech support to figure it out.
Disappointing. Especially considering how good this album is. I was hoping they would be rewarded with good sales/charts.
I don't really find it disappointing, I believe it's a conscious decision by the band. They could have pushed different songs to radio and different radio stations. A few lyrical tweaks and shortening of songs could make them top hits but they prefer the artistic approach.
The marketing strategy of pointing your phone at the sky is wasted effort if you are looking for broad appeal. It just feels to me like they are choosing to fly under the radar at this point in life. Never worked once on my phone. I must be too outdated with Galaxy S21 being over 3 years old. That stuff might appeal to GenZ for newer bands but most of us between the age of 38 and 58 is like WTF and needs tech support to figure it out.
Dark Matter was a hit though, not sure the singles are the issue. Although if I were A&Ring it I probably would have gone DM-Wreckage-Won’t Tell for the singles.
Those aren't very good numbers for Beyoncé. Her people must be shitting bricks over those sales About what I expected for Pearl Jam...surprised it's even that high
Those aren't very good numbers for Beyoncé. Her people must be shitting bricks over those sales About what I expected for Pearl Jam...surprised it's even that high
You can’t compare Taylor Swift sales to Pearl Jam. Taylor has a chokehold on largest demographic in music consumption, teenagers. Pearl Jam maybe had some pull in that demographic in early 90’s, if ever. I would instead compare PJ to sales of other similar artists, Green Day, Foos, Metallica, etc. who are rock acts still putting out new material. All of those albums sold in 50-60k range I believe.
Metallica sold 146,000 total their first week for 72 Seasons. As much as Metallica fans complain about their music at least they show up
What was the step down from Hardwired to 72 Seasons? If there was one.
My point is Metallica has had their fair share of criticism from fans. From the black album to Garage Inc. They always sell well.
Is 146.000 well, is my question. By Metallica-standards.
For a 40 year old band yes. Especially during the streaming age. It might take Dark Matter to get to that point
The album tops the Billboard Top Alternative Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts, and debuts at number eight on the all-format Billboard 200 chart, moving 62,000 equivalent album units.
And Medicine by Midnight (great album by the way):
In the United States, Medicine at Midnight debuted at number three on the Billboard 200 chart with 70,000 album-equivalent units, which consisted 64,000 pure album copies
And with how "big" Foo Fighters are and their space in the music/pop culture scene (if this is the same chart), then 55.000 doesn't sound so bad comparatively?
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
My point is that people were saying they weren't buying Gigaton either because they didn't like Dance, or because stores weren't open because of the pandemic, or they had to hear it live first. Dark Matter has been getting great press/reviews. "Fans" were excited for DM the single. Stores are open. There are 12 variants. Yet it sold the same as Gigaton
The album tops the Billboard Top Alternative Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts, and debuts at number eight on the all-format Billboard 200 chart, moving 62,000 equivalent album units.
And with how "big" Foo Fighters are and their space in the music/pop culture scene (if this is the same chart), than 55.000 doesn't sound so bad comparatively?
55.000 is physical sales, when you add in streaming PJ’s total was actually about 63K, so about neck & neck with Foo. Plus, while DM seems to be riding a good bit of public & critical goodwill, that Foo album was the mourning Taylor & his mom album, there was a ton of glowing reviews and well-wishing and general love that still didn’t sell great.
Also, just wanna say that when the CD business is "gone" and you charge 51 dollars in Sweden for the LP from a 35 year old band you are not going to get others than the JAMILY to buy the album.
51 dollars is a Rubicon crossed to have someone pick up the album because Dark Matter was a great single or just to get someone to pick it up because it's a new PJ album on the shelf while their strolling through the store. Even with them liking PJ and remembering an album with an avocado on it that they enjoyed.
And I imagine pushing 15-20 variants on the little JAMILY POND is only gonna take you so far (and the album is still a lot of dollars in Sweden also for the Jamily).
Maybe a lot cheaper in the US, or a different type of musicbuying culture. But but but
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Also, just wanna say that when the CD business is "gone" and you charge 51 dollars in Sweden for the LP from a 35 year old band you are not going to get others than the JAMILY to buy the album.
51 dollars is a Rubicon crossed to have someone pick up the album because Dark Matter was a great single or just to get someone to pick it up because it's a new PJ album on the shelf while their strolling through the store. Even with them liking PJ and remembering an album with an avocado on it that they enjoyed.
And I imagine pushing 15-20 variants on the little JAMILY POND is only gonna take you so far (and the album is still a lot of dollars in Sweden also for the Jamily).
I think that's what hurt Gigaton as well. Almost $40 for the vinyl over here. They need to do a deal with Target where they sell it for 19 99
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FYI-- of Taylor Swift's first-day sales of 1.4 million (that's right, I said first day, not first week), 600,000 were vinyl. CDs are still a thing.
If bonus tracks and variants weren't a thing on TTPD and DM I wonder what the difference would be.
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The marketing strategy of pointing your phone at the sky is wasted effort if you are looking for broad appeal. It just feels to me like they are choosing to fly under the radar at this point in life. Never worked once on my phone. I must be too outdated with Galaxy S21 being over 3 years old. That stuff might appeal to GenZ for newer bands but most of us between the age of 38 and 58 is like WTF and needs tech support to figure it out.
About what I expected for Pearl Jam...surprised it's even that high
The album tops the Billboard Top Alternative Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts, and debuts at number eight on the all-format Billboard 200 chart, moving 62,000 equivalent album units.
And Medicine by Midnight (great album by the way):
In the United States, Medicine at Midnight debuted at number three on the Billboard 200 chart with 70,000 album-equivalent units, which consisted 64,000 pure album copies
And with how "big" Foo Fighters are and their space in the music/pop culture scene (if this is the same chart), then 55.000 doesn't sound so bad comparatively?
Plus, while DM seems to be riding a good bit of public & critical goodwill, that Foo album was the mourning Taylor & his mom album, there was a ton of glowing reviews and well-wishing and general love that still didn’t sell great.
51 dollars is a Rubicon crossed to have someone pick up the album because Dark Matter was a great single or just to get someone to pick it up because it's a new PJ album on the shelf while their strolling through the store. Even with them liking PJ and remembering an album with an avocado on it that they enjoyed.
And I imagine pushing 15-20 variants on the little JAMILY POND is only gonna take you so far (and the album is still a lot of dollars in Sweden also for the Jamily).
Maybe a lot cheaper in the US, or a different type of musicbuying culture. But but but