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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    OceansJenny said:
    Disappointing it doesn’t sound awesome out of the box and we have to do all this work. 
    I think this is due to the nature of mastering today.  Things have gotten so much more complicated than 2-channel stereo (and mono before that).
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  • TL56865
    TL56865 Posts: 32
    Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:
    dobyblue said:
    KV4053 said:
    IALauder said:
    In regards to the 2 channel downmix of the TrueHD.  Standard TrueHD provides a 2 channel, 6 channel and 8 channel presentation.  The Atmos metadata is most likely only applied to the 6 and 8 channel presentations, but it will still provide a stereo downmix.
    Thank you. This is helpful. Based on what you're saying, for clarity, should I use the Atmos (TrueHD) option rather than the LPCM option on the blu-rays top menu?

    The LPCM is horrendously compressed (dynamically) - definitely choose the Atmos track as long as your system supports TrueHD.
    ^ this is the way. Finally got the disc out of my computer and into the Oppo- the atmos mix on the bluray is much better to listen to than any other version. I’ve heard dark matter the most and the difference is night and day. The drums sound realer, all kinds of crazy fills that are buried in the other mix come out, you hear Jeff doing some things that are hard to hear otherwise, and even some reverb on the vocal thats hard to hear otherwise is there. It just breathes a little more. Love it. 
    Definitely noticeable on the Dark Matter track the most. 
  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,411
    KV4053 said:
    OceansJenny said:
    Disappointing it doesn’t sound awesome out of the box and we have to do all this work. 
    I think this is due to the nature of mastering today.  Things have gotten so much more complicated than 2-channel stereo (and mono before that).
    So the older simpler ways are better? :)
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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    OceansJenny said:
    KV4053 said:
    OceansJenny said:
    Disappointing it doesn’t sound awesome out of the box and we have to do all this work. 
    I think this is due to the nature of mastering today.  Things have gotten so much more complicated than 2-channel stereo (and mono before that).
    So the older simpler ways are better? :)
    They always are. :)
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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    Go Beavers said:
    dobyblue said:
    KV4053 said:
    IALauder said:
    In regards to the 2 channel downmix of the TrueHD.  Standard TrueHD provides a 2 channel, 6 channel and 8 channel presentation.  The Atmos metadata is most likely only applied to the 6 and 8 channel presentations, but it will still provide a stereo downmix.
    Thank you. This is helpful. Based on what you're saying, for clarity, should I use the Atmos (TrueHD) option rather than the LPCM option on the blu-rays top menu?

    The LPCM is horrendously compressed (dynamically) - definitely choose the Atmos track as long as your system supports TrueHD.
    LPCM sounds better than Atmos on my blu ray player. It could be the gear (5.1 10-12 year old Sony). In Atmos, the elevated signal in the 2 rear channels was nice, and there was more bass, so those two things were better, but Ed’s vocals are buried and there’s too much separation between the interments so it has less of a “surround sound”. 
    I don't have an Atmos system so I was simply listening to the Atmos mix and the LPCM version using my PS5. I compared both to the flac HD version that I bought on HDTracks. The HD Tracks version is as good.as the Blu Ray....with less hassle (PS5 and a disk and a TV).
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  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,684
    dobyblue said:
    Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:
    What software did you use to rip/downmix? Makemkv>dvdae is what I’m using I left the house for work after hitting the button to down mix the atmos so haven’t listened back. I also set lpcm as a 16 bit rip but am now suspecting it’s 24/48 not 16/48, anybody’s system tell you whether stereo lpcm it’s 24bit or 16bit as it’s playing? Goal is to get the hires files into Pono for headphone listening! 

    It is 24/48 LPCM but I would highly recommend using a downmix 24/48 LPCM from the Atmos mix for your Pono.

    I use AudioMuxer after MakeMKV...a long time ago in the SACD/DVD-A days I used DVDAE but AudioMuxer provided a much more seamless dts-HD Master Audio solution before anyone else so I've never gone back.

    Thank you so much for this info! I successfully downmixed the Atmos with AudioMuxer to stereo but it's all in one track. Is there a way to split the tracks in MakeMKV or AudioMuxer or did you have to do it manually?

    I cannot believe how much more dynamic the Atmos mix is compared to the other formats.

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