I was surprised that the visuals on the bluray are all just the Dark Matter main image on repeat. It's cool and all, I'm here for the music but I was expecting the same visuals as the streaming ones.
It's just great to revel in another batch of songs from these legends. Mine shipped out of WA on Thursday morning I think. Went to NJ then here to PA local post office. I went to pick it up after work as it would've stayed there until late tomorrow. Hope you get yours early!
So we have files on there as LPCM at 48khz and TrueHD at 48khz, are we assuming LPCM is 16/48 and TrueHD is 24/48, both lossless?
Where is the option for True HD? My top screen shows LPCM and ATMOS options. It does not show True HD
atmos = truehd version
I'm reading mixed answers on how exactly this works. Does ATMOS work on two channel stereo? The first time I listened to the Blu-ray, I had it on ATMOS and it sounded fantastic, but it also seemed to be missing something. LPCM sounded fuller but muddy
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I’m in process of ripping audio streams to flac. I think worry though with atmos would be unless you specifically demux it to two channel (from 8!) with correct software whatever transcoder is operating will select 2 channels for you and maybe not correctly. I ripped the Blu-ray to Plex and just punched it up on the phone for kicks and scared of fear had no guitar in the chorus just Jeff’s bass which was fun but obviously not correct!
Also came up with instrumental to wreckage on the Blu-ray rip which sounds fantastic. There is a ton of stuff going on there behind the vocal.
I’m in process of ripping audio streams to flac. I think worry though with atmos would be unless you specifically demux it to two channel (from 8!) with correct software whatever transcoder is operating will select 2 channels for you and maybe not correctly. I ripped the Blu-ray to Plex and just punched it up on the phone for kicks and scared of fear had no guitar in the chorus just Jeff’s bass which was fun but obviously not correct!
Also came up with instrumental to wreckage on the Blu-ray rip which sounds fantastic. There is a ton of stuff going on there behind the vocal.
I bought the Dark Matter instrumental single and loved it! I would love to hear the entire album this way.
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Does the delux blu ray or CD have an extended version of the album into? I was hoping this would be a bit longer, or like Master/Slave, have an extended ending.
Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.
Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.
Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.
Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.
Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo? And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?
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I'm reading mixed answers on how exactly this works. Does ATMOS work on two channel stereo? The first time I listened to the Blu-ray, I had it on ATMOS and it sounded fantastic, but it also seemed to be missing something. LPCM sounded fuller but muddy
I'm wondering the same. I hear the same with my two channel stéréo. With atmos, I don't hear the bass, the sound seem muffled sometimes and sometimes like something is missing. Same as you for LPCM.
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Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.
Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.
Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo? And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?
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Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo? And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?
Yes you can play it back, Atmos works with whatever your speaker layout is whether it's a massive 7.2.4 layout or just a pair of bookshelf speakers in stereo. Even on the fancy pants systems you can select "STEREO" as the listening mode and it will downmix to just your front speakers and subwoofer.
The second question is wholly subjective but I can't stand the sonic signature of egregious dynamic range compression so to me the Atmos played back in stereo is a massive improvement over the stereo mix whether you're listening via Blu-ray, vinyl, CD or download.
Here's the DR log for the Atmos mix downmixed to stereo, what a joy!
foobar2000 2.1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1 log date: 2024-04-23 14:46:41
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR11 -5.01 dB -18.37 dB 4:24 01-Scared Of Fear DR12 -3.95 dB -19.16 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond DR12 -2.07 dB -18.28 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage DR13 -1.02 dB -17.77 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter DR12 -4.24 dB -18.65 dB 3:29 05-Won't Tell DR11 -2.74 dB -18.63 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand DR12 -4.28 dB -18.49 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie DR12 -4.31 dB -18.28 dB 2:19 08-Running DR13 -1.97 dB -18.46 dB 4:07 09-Something Special DR12 -4.78 dB -19.49 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give DR12 -2.77 dB -18.73 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening?
That is why I bought it. I am bummed out that it doesn't.
I don't know what the visualizers were but the album does play with Dark Matter-themed graphics playing throughout, not just a black screen or title track etc screen.
Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo? And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?
to me the Atmos played back in stereo is a massive improvement over the stereo mix whether you're listening via Blu-ray, vinyl, CD or download.
That is what I thought as well. Ed's vocals are more up front and clearly centered in the soundstage. Jeff's bass is also clear. Mike's guitar wanders all over the soundstage...and is magnificent.
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What software did you use to rip/downmix? Makemkv>dvdae is what I’m using I left the house for work after hitting the button to down mix the atmos so haven’t listened back. I also set lpcm as a 16 bit rip but am now suspecting it’s 24/48 not 16/48, anybody’s system tell you whether stereo lpcm it’s 24bit or 16bit as it’s playing? Goal is to get the hires files into Pono for headphone listening!
What software did you use to rip/downmix? Makemkv>dvdae is what I’m using I left the house for work after hitting the button to down mix the atmos so haven’t listened back. I also set lpcm as a 16 bit rip but am now suspecting it’s 24/48 not 16/48, anybody’s system tell you whether stereo lpcm it’s 24bit or 16bit as it’s playing? Goal is to get the hires files into Pono for headphone listening!
It is 24/48 LPCM but I would highly recommend using a downmix 24/48 LPCM from the Atmos mix for your Pono.
I use AudioMuxer after MakeMKV...a long time ago in the SACD/DVD-A days I used DVDAE but AudioMuxer provided a much more seamless dts-HD Master Audio solution before anyone else so I've never gone back.
So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening?
That is why I bought it. I am bummed out that it doesn't.
I don't know what the visualizers were but the album does play with Dark Matter-themed graphics playing throughout, not just a black screen or title track etc screen.
There were individual visualizers for each song , I think they might be on YouTube.
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I bought the Dark Matter instrumental single and loved it! I would love to hear the entire album this way.
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Sounds amazing!!!
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Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.
1996: Paris/2006: Paris/2007: Werchter/2010: Werchter/2012: Amsterdam 1 and Werchter/2014: Amsterdam 1&2 and Werchter/2018: Amsterdam 1&2 and Werchter/2022: Werchter and Amsterdam 2
EV: 2012: Amsterdam/2017: Antwerpen/2019: Bruxelles
1996: Paris/2006: Paris/2007: Werchter/2010: Werchter/2012: Amsterdam 1 and Werchter/2014: Amsterdam 1&2 and Werchter/2018: Amsterdam 1&2 and Werchter/2022: Werchter and Amsterdam 2
EV: 2012: Amsterdam/2017: Antwerpen/2019: Bruxelles
The second question is wholly subjective but I can't stand the sonic signature of egregious dynamic range compression so to me the Atmos played back in stereo is a massive improvement over the stereo mix whether you're listening via Blu-ray, vinyl, CD or download.
Here's the DR log for the Atmos mix downmixed to stereo, what a joy!
foobar2000 2.1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-04-23 14:46:41
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -5.01 dB -18.37 dB 4:24 01-Scared Of Fear
DR12 -3.95 dB -19.16 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR12 -2.07 dB -18.28 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR13 -1.02 dB -17.77 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR12 -4.24 dB -18.65 dB 3:29 05-Won't Tell
DR11 -2.74 dB -18.63 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR12 -4.28 dB -18.49 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR12 -4.31 dB -18.28 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR13 -1.97 dB -18.46 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR12 -4.78 dB -19.49 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR12 -2.77 dB -18.73 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR12
Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 1532 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
I don't know what the visualizers were but the album does play with Dark Matter-themed graphics playing throughout, not just a black screen or title track etc screen.
That is what I thought as well. Ed's vocals are more up front and clearly centered in the soundstage. Jeff's bass is also clear. Mike's guitar wanders all over the soundstage...and is magnificent.
It is 24/48 LPCM but I would highly recommend using a downmix 24/48 LPCM from the Atmos mix for your Pono.
I use AudioMuxer after MakeMKV...a long time ago in the SACD/DVD-A days I used DVDAE but AudioMuxer provided a much more seamless dts-HD Master Audio solution before anyone else so I've never gone back.