Delux Cd w Bluray

TL56865

Loving the new set! Anyone else spinning the Bluray?

mvw

Yes!  It’s fucking beautiful!

TL56865

I was surprised that the visuals on the bluray are all just the Dark Matter main image on repeat. It's cool and all, I'm here for the music but I was expecting the same visuals as the streaming ones. 

BSully

Unfortunately, mine won't be here till Monday, but I'm looking forward to it.

TL56865

It's just great to revel in another batch of songs from these legends. Mine shipped out of WA on Thursday morning I think. Went to NJ then here to PA local post office. I went to pick it up after work as it would've stayed there until late tomorrow. Hope you get yours early!

KV4053

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SM187650

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

OceansJenny

SM187650 said:

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

Lameee. I was trying to figure out how to put on the lyric version. Blu-ray sounds so much better than the YouTube official visualizers.

SM187650

OceansJenny said:

SM187650 said:

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

Lameee. I was trying to figure out how to put on the lyric version. Blu-ray sounds so much better than the YouTube official visualizers.

I don’t have the blu ray. I’m just asking. 

TL56865

It does not have the visuals but the audio is fantastic

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob

So we have files on there as LPCM at 48khz and TrueHD at 48khz, are we assuming LPCM is 16/48 and TrueHD is 24/48, both lossless? 

KV4053

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:

So we have files on there as LPCM at 48khz and TrueHD at 48khz, are we assuming LPCM is 16/48 and TrueHD is 24/48, both lossless? 

Where is the option for True HD?  My top screen shows LPCM and ATMOS options. It does not show True HD

mr_perfect

KV4053 said:

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:

So we have files on there as LPCM at 48khz and TrueHD at 48khz, are we assuming LPCM is 16/48 and TrueHD is 24/48, both lossless? 

Where is the option for True HD?  My top screen shows LPCM and ATMOS options. It does not show True HD

atmos = truehd version

KV4053

mr_perfect said:

KV4053 said:

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:

So we have files on there as LPCM at 48khz and TrueHD at 48khz, are we assuming LPCM is 16/48 and TrueHD is 24/48, both lossless? 

Where is the option for True HD?  My top screen shows LPCM and ATMOS options. It does not show True HD

atmos = truehd version

I'm reading mixed answers on how exactly this works. Does ATMOS work on two channel stereo? The first time I listened to the Blu-ray, I had it on ATMOS and it sounded fantastic, but it also seemed to be missing something. LPCM sounded fuller but muddy 

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob

I’m in process of ripping audio streams to flac. I think worry though with atmos would be unless you specifically demux it to two channel (from 8!) with correct software whatever transcoder is operating will select 2 channels for you and maybe not correctly. I ripped the Blu-ray to Plex and just punched it up on the phone for kicks and scared of fear had no guitar in the chorus just Jeff’s bass which was fun but obviously not correct! 

Also came up with instrumental to wreckage on the Blu-ray rip which sounds fantastic. There is a ton of stuff going on there behind the vocal. 

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob

Is the LPCM 24 bit? 

mpedone

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:

I’m in process of ripping audio streams to flac. I think worry though with atmos would be unless you specifically demux it to two channel (from 8!) with correct software whatever transcoder is operating will select 2 channels for you and maybe not correctly. I ripped the Blu-ray to Plex and just punched it up on the phone for kicks and scared of fear had no guitar in the chorus just Jeff’s bass which was fun but obviously not correct! 

Also came up with instrumental to wreckage on the Blu-ray rip which sounds fantastic. There is a ton of stuff going on there behind the vocal. 

I bought the Dark Matter instrumental single and loved it! I would love to hear the entire album this way.

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob

Agree completely, there’s a lot going on in these songs- and I love the acapella vocal intro to dark matter on the single! 

BSully

Just finishing playing mine.
Sounds amazing!!!

Vedd Hedd

Does the delux blu ray or CD have an extended version of the album into?   I was hoping this would be a bit longer, or like Master/Slave, have an extended ending.  

dobyblue

Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.

Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.

KV4053

dobyblue said:

Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.

Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.

Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo?  And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?

bobasfeet

SM187650 said:

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

That is why I bought it. I am bummed out that it doesn't.

axellaire8

KV4053

I'm reading mixed answers on how exactly this works. Does ATMOS work on two channel stereo? The first time I listened to the Blu-ray, I had it on ATMOS and it sounded fantastic, but it also seemed to be missing something. LPCM sounded fuller but muddy 

I'm wondering the same. I hear the same with my two channel stéréo. With atmos, I don't hear the bass, the sound seem muffled sometimes and sometimes like something is missing. Same as you for LPCM.

axellaire8

KV4053 said:

dobyblue said:

Unfortunately the LPCM is as you'd expect the same atrocious mastering found everywhere else for the stereo mix, whether that's Spotify, Apple, Qobuz, HDTracks, Pro Studio Masters, CD, whatever.

Thankfully the TrueHD/Atmos track is night and day from the stereo, not only is it beautifully mastered with more dynamics than even Ten originally had in 1991, but the mix is really well done too! And we don't have to suffer a fidelity loss by going to streaming DD+/Atmos, such a thrill to finally get an audiophile release of a Pearl Jam album after so many years of loudness wars vinyl and CD/digital offerings.

Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo?  And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?

Someone know this?

dobyblue

KV4053 said:

Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo?  And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?

Yes you can play it back, Atmos works with whatever your speaker layout is whether it's a massive 7.2.4 layout or just a pair of bookshelf speakers in stereo. Even on the fancy pants systems you can select "STEREO" as the listening mode and it will downmix to just your front speakers and subwoofer.

The second question is wholly subjective but I can't stand the sonic signature of egregious dynamic range compression so to me the Atmos played back in stereo is a massive improvement over the stereo mix whether you're listening via Blu-ray, vinyl, CD or download.

Here's the DR log for the Atmos mix downmixed to stereo, what a joy!

foobar2000 2.1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-04-23 14:46:41

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Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR11      -5.01 dB   -18.37 dB      4:24 01-Scared Of Fear
DR12      -3.95 dB   -19.16 dB      3:31 02-React, Respond
DR12      -2.07 dB   -18.28 dB      5:01 03-Wreckage
DR13      -1.02 dB   -17.77 dB      3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR12      -4.24 dB   -18.65 dB      3:29 05-Won't Tell
DR11      -2.74 dB   -18.63 dB      5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR12      -4.28 dB   -18.49 dB      5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR12      -4.31 dB   -18.28 dB      2:19 08-Running
DR13      -1.97 dB   -18.46 dB      4:07 09-Something Special
DR12      -4.78 dB   -19.49 dB      4:37 10-Got To Give
DR12      -2.77 dB   -18.73 dB      5:44 11-Setting Sun
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  11
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        48000 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   24
Bitrate:           1532 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================

dobyblue

bobasfeet said:

SM187650 said:

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

That is why I bought it. I am bummed out that it doesn't.

I don't know what the visualizers were but the album does play with Dark Matter-themed graphics playing throughout, not just a black screen or title track etc screen.

KV4053

dobyblue said:

KV4053 said:

Can you play the TrueHD / Atmos version on a 2-channel stereo?  And if so, does it sound better than the stereo mix?

 to me the Atmos played back in stereo is a massive improvement over the stereo mix whether you're listening via Blu-ray, vinyl, CD or download.

That is what I thought as well.  Ed's vocals are more up front and clearly centered in the soundstage.  Jeff's bass is also clear.  Mike's guitar wanders all over the soundstage...and is magnificent.

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob

What software did you use to rip/downmix? Makemkv>dvdae is what I’m using I left the house for work after hitting the button to down mix the atmos so haven’t listened back. I also set lpcm as a 16 bit rip but am now suspecting it’s 24/48 not 16/48, anybody’s system tell you whether stereo lpcm it’s 24bit or 16bit as it’s playing? Goal is to get the hires files into Pono for headphone listening! 

dobyblue

Bob Mayo on the keyboards Bob said:

What software did you use to rip/downmix? Makemkv>dvdae is what I’m using I left the house for work after hitting the button to down mix the atmos so haven’t listened back. I also set lpcm as a 16 bit rip but am now suspecting it’s 24/48 not 16/48, anybody’s system tell you whether stereo lpcm it’s 24bit or 16bit as it’s playing? Goal is to get the hires files into Pono for headphone listening! 

It is 24/48 LPCM but I would highly recommend using a downmix 24/48 LPCM from the Atmos mix for your Pono.

I use AudioMuxer after MakeMKV...a long time ago in the SACD/DVD-A days I used DVDAE but AudioMuxer provided a much more seamless dts-HD Master Audio solution before anyone else so I've never gone back.

CarryTheZero

dobyblue said:

bobasfeet said:

SM187650 said:

So the blu ray doesn’t have the cool visualizers from the theatre screening? 

That is why I bought it. I am bummed out that it doesn't.

I don't know what the visualizers were but the album does play with Dark Matter-themed graphics playing throughout, not just a black screen or title track etc screen.

There were individual visualizers for each song , I think they might be on YouTube.