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    TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,468
    nicknyr15 said:
    Am I the only one who loves got to give? The bridge into that final outro with him singing something’s got to give , gives me chills man. 
    Another fan of Got To Give. It really helps anchor the end of the album. Some critics say that the second half of the album drops off slightly but I disagree. 
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    I think this is a GREAT album. Pearl Jam shouldn’t be asked of more than good at this point but they find a way to give a little more. I think this is an album of indulgences; it goes big and loud and it has more creativity within the tracks than has been present in a long time. It creates new things, pays homage to old things, but it always ends up sounding like Pearl Jam. Is Upper Hand basically the beginning of Time by Pink Floyd yes but it ends with a Ledbetter like jam and belting that is reminiscent of 90s PJ. The tributes and new ideas are tied up so nicely that it sounds like a PJ live set without them putting actual cover songs on the album. 

    8.5/10

    1. React, Respond
    2. Wreckage
    3. Waiting for Stevie
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,680
    tbergs said:
    Haijay said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am so so pleased to say that I dig this album!!! I haven't felt this about a new PJ album for 18 years, so it's pretty great to have the feeling back finally.
    So why did you hang on so long? Surely Imagine Dragons has a forum🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
    That seems really unnecessary. She made a positive comment as part an honest observation of where her relationship with this band and its music sits. There’s no need to bully her. 
    She. PJ_Soul is not a he. Not that you would necessarily know that. 
    Fixed. Thank you. Apologies to @PJ_Soul

    No prob, common mistake - thanks tbergs :smile:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    bobasfeetbobasfeet Posts: 1,072
    This album feels like their Automatic For The People. Not so much in sound but it in it's wisdom and beauty.
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    Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 10,605
    bobasfeet said:
    This album feels like their Automatic For The People. Not so much in sound but it in it's wisdom and beauty.
    I liked the Tom Petty: Wildflowers analogy as well.

    Either way both of those albums were followed up by more career defining work for those artists. which is really freaking exciting!
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    Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
    Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
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    mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,790
    Dang, this might even get a 6.2 in pitchfork
    So close
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    10
    I miss igotid88
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    TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,468
    After the first 3 days of listening it was a 5/10. Then it hit me on my 6th listen. Now 10/10. So good. 
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    aisleseatsaisleseats Posts: 1,200
    I'm at 36 full listens now. To me, this is a really good album. They should be proud.

    A+: Upper Hand, Waiting For Stevie, Setting Sun (my faves)
    A: Dark Matter, Running, Scared of Fear, React, Respond (all bangers)
    B: Won't Tell, Got to Give (good live potential)
    C: Wreckage, Something Special (not my faves)

    Right now, I'd rank it #7 of 12 on my albums list.
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    I think I probably have this as my number 4 album of theirs. We will see if that stands the test of time

    Waiting for Stevie is a catalog all timer

    If I'd rank after that

    Scared of Fear, Setting Sun, Dark Matter

    Honestly everything after this is a blur. Probably Wreckage and React/Respond but every song is good to great and scratches a different itch. It's hard for me to say yet how many of these songs will settle in the truly elite tier of Pearl Jam songs, but as a front to back satisfying listen this is their best work since Vitalogy






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    bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,177
    edited April 23
    For what it's worth, the Pitchfork review is out. The rating: 6.4 (by comparison, since Pitchfork tends to hate most music, the Taylor Swift received a 6.4 for her new album).
    https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/pearl-jam-dark-matter/
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    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
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    False_BeliefFalse_Belief Cardiff Posts: 750
    Pitchfork gonna Piitchfork. 🙄



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    Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,006
    Pitchfork gonna Piitchfork. 🙄



    That Peppa album is a banger though. 
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,878
    Pitchfork notorious for hating most music.  To me they’re a parody. 
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,203
    It's a totally reasonable and fairly complimentary review. I never know how to objectively evaluate a Pearl Jam album or any of my favorite bands.
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    js87130js87130 Posts: 88
    edited April 23
    Pitchfork is not what it once was.  It was purchased by Conde Nast in 2015 and then saw a bunch of staff cuts in the last few months.
    Paste had reviews of Taylor (3.6 out of 10) and Dark Matter (7 out of 10) that seem just about right.  I enjoy Dark Matter a lot.  I don't think it is among their best but it is definitely better than the last 4 records.  I am happy with it and I hope the lessons learned from this record roll over into their next.  I still think they they can make a late-career gem but I don't htink Dark Matter is it.  7 out of 10 seems on the nose.
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    bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,177

    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
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    wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 590
    Pitchfork scores through the years...

    • Riot Act  -  4.9
    • Pearl Jam  -  5.5
    • Backspacer  - 4.6
    • Lightning Bolt  -  5.0
    • Gigaton  -  6.2
    • Dark Matter  -  6.4
    So, according to Pitchfork scores, their best work since at least Binaural.
    1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,291
    wnh1977 said:
    Pitchfork scores through the years...

    • Riot Act  -  4.9
    • Pearl Jam  -  5.5
    • Backspacer  - 4.6
    • Lightning Bolt  -  5.0
    • Gigaton  -  6.2
    • Dark Matter  -  6.4
    So, according to Pitchfork scores, their best work since at least Binaural.
    Right, but what about inflation? A 6.4 today was probably a 4.9 in 2002 :smiley:
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,577
    I really believe that some of these reviews are written before they hear the record.  They know what they want to write.  

    And they penalize PJ for sounding like PJ.  Makes no sense to me.
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    tylerjtylerj Indiana Posts: 289
    I don't think a 6.5 or even a 7 for Dark Matter is all that crazy. Once you start getting closer to 7.5-8/10 you're approaching scores for the run of Ten to Binaural, and I don't think DM quite hits the highs of those albums. 
    Chicago, Aug 24, 2009 
    Noblesville, May 7, 2010
    PJ20 Night 1, 2011
    Cincinnati, Oct. 1, 2014
    Milwaukee, Oct. 20, 2014
    Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2016
    Wrigley Field, Aug 22, 2016
    Wrigley Field, Aug 18, 2018
    Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2018
    St. Louis, Sept. 18, 2022
    Chicago, Sept. 5, 2023
    Chicago, Sept. 7, 2023

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    axeljohanaxeljohan Posts: 411
    pjl44 said:
    It's a totally reasonable and fairly complimentary review. I never know how to objectively evaluate a Pearl Jam album or any of my favorite bands.
    Really liked the review. You might not agree with the conclusion, but the reviewer put some effort into this.
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    MJ178168MJ178168 Posts: 59
    axeljohan said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's a totally reasonable and fairly complimentary review. I never know how to objectively evaluate a Pearl Jam album or any of my favorite bands.
    Really liked the review. You might not agree with the conclusion, but the reviewer put some effort into this.
    For pitchfork at least, the reviews are separate for the scoring.  If you listen to anyone who has written a review for pitchfork they will tell you that they just write their thoughts, turn it in, and then it is given a score separately by someone else.  At least that was my understanding. 
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    mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,790
    axeljohan said:
    pjl44 said:
    It's a totally reasonable and fairly complimentary review. I never know how to objectively evaluate a Pearl Jam album or any of my favorite bands.
    Really liked the review. You might not agree with the conclusion, but the reviewer put some effort into this.
    Not to mention, everything in the article echoed what I've been reading on these boards.

    The score is arbitrary. Pretty much any band 15+ years old who aren't releasing anything groundbreaking get pigeonholed in the 5.0 - 6.9 range.
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    Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Pitchfork is owned by like Vogue or GQ magazine now.
    So yeah...Street cred.
    They've trashed every album by not only Pearl Jam but other great bands like Queens of the Stone Age
    Just a bunch of bitter poses, hipsters and twats over there. 
    Dark Matter Rules 
    Good Night
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    Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 10,605
    The PF numbers are ridiculous. The Smile gets like 8.5 or whatever. I really love Radiohead but The Smile's albums are not better than Dark Matter. I saw them in concert and all. 

    As for the content of the review. The writer has nice things to say about the mid-tempo and ballad type songs, but doesn't like the harder rocking songs, even Dark Matter (!). (sophomoric??? more like sophomoric album reviews amirite) I think the title track is awesome and fits into the PJ canon very well. We all have our opinions.
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    Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
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    bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,177
    Of course, in the aggregate, PJ is getting better reviews than Tay, according to Metacritic: 
    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
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    mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,790
    Of course, in the aggregate, PJ is getting better reviews than Tay, according to Metacritic: 
    Oh golly gee thank goodness! Because they can't both great, good or bad. 

    My insecure rock n roll soul would otherwise be shattered.
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    domjon77domjon77 Posts: 28
    Of course, in the aggregate, PJ is getting better reviews than Tay, according to Metacritic: 
    Holy shit! The Melvins are on their 27th album?!?! That's a pretty prolific band!
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