Reopen the vault...

Lost In Ohio

JimmyV said:

Did they run out of content in the vault or did they realize they could press anything onto vinyl and people would buy it?

Vinyl doesn't interest me. If it does you, great. Enjoy. But vinyl and vault are not synonymous. The vault was always about getting access to unreleased recordings. Shows that were actually in a vault. 

Pressing readily available shows onto wax is something very different. 

Entirely true. The vault should be classics from the 90s or the random stuff that hasn't been released like London 2013.

"Vinyl releases" should be classics that we already have like Live At The Garden, etc.

mcgruff10

Anything 96 except for Berlin.  

darthvedder

PB11041 said:

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

What is your source for this?

Tim Simmons

Yeah. I had never heard that before. Thats great info. 

Obviously the push is the new record. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go back to the late summer vault announcement again. 

PB11041

darthvedder said:

PB11041 said:

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

What is your source for this?

He has done a few interviews over the years.  

js87130

JimmyV said:

Did they run out of content in the vault or did they realize they could press anything onto vinyl and people would buy it?

Vinyl doesn't interest me. If it does you, great. Enjoy. But vinyl and vault are not synonymous. The vault was always about getting access to unreleased recordings. Shows that were actually in a vault. 

Pressing readily available shows onto wax is something very different. 

It is obvious that at some point the band decided that vinyl would be the vehicle to release their vault shows.  It didn't start that way but here we are.  And when this message board had a thread requesting that the first 2 vault shows be released on vinyl they did exactly that.  When they pressed those 2 to vinyl I didn't take it as the band closing the vault.  They were just tying up loose ends.  And when those were taken care of they released Atlanta 1994.  Which I know has been essentially available for years but not as an official release of the entire show.  So I understand the view of Atlanta 1994 being a legit vault release. 

The only outlier really is Moline, which was readily available before they released it as part of the vault series.  Which tells me that their definition of vault is different than yours.  

But I totally get wanting more unreleased shows.  I think what they have been doing is pretty consistent and makes sense.  I feel pretty good about the vault series continuing with unreleased shows.  

kmcmanus

PB11041 said:

darthvedder said:

PB11041 said:

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

What is your source for this?

He has done a few interviews over the years.  

Do you know where we could find any of these interviews?

kramer73

I would love Self Pollution Rafio, even if it was just the Pearl Jam set.  

darthvedder

kmcmanus said:

PB11041 said:

darthvedder said:

PB11041 said:

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

What is your source for this?

He has done a few interviews over the years.  

Do you know where we could find any of these interviews?

There's the one Brett did with Two Feet Thick after Vault #1 but no mention of how many he mastered:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160822081321/http://www.twofeetthick.com/2011/10/11/pearl-jam-vault-1-brett-eliason-takes-us-behind-the-scenes-at-the-moore-1992/

And this one where he explains the process behind Live on Ten Legs:

https://www.audiotechnology.com/features/live-on-ten-legs-brett-eliason-pearl-jam

There was also a history of the bootlegs with quotes from Brett in Deep 13: The Tour Issue.

TribeintoBreath

Wouldn’t be mad about something juicy from a vintage 03, ‘05, or ‘06 tour. 

Lost In Ohio

TribeintoBreath said:

Wouldn’t be mad about something juicy from a vintage 03, ‘05, or ‘06 tour. 

House of Blues 2003?
https://youtu.be/Xc03NWPAyXU?si=fB8DgVK4WtPN7pRb

Loujoe

darthvedder said:

PB11041 said:

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

What is your source for this?

demetrios