Reopen the vault...

Lost In Ohio

24 hour sale window.
10/22/2003.
Black vinyl.
No purchase limit.
$250 includes a $100 donation to YouthCare.

They'd make a fortune.

SM187650

Lost In Ohio said:

24 hour sale window.
10/22/2003.
Black vinyl.
No purchase limit.
$250 includes a $100 donation to YouthCare.

They'd make a fortune.

Especially if it was London Ontario 2013. 

Zod

Lost In Ohio said:

24 hour sale window.
10/22/2003.
Black vinyl.
No purchase limit.
$250 includes a $100 donation to YouthCare.

They'd make a fortune.

That's not releasing something from the vault, that's a reissue

2-feign-reluctance

Lost In Ohio said:

Loujoe said:

Spill the beans....what do you know?

Asking for a friend.......

Nothing.

Maybe? Maybe not. 

Loujoe

I know you know I know you know I know you know I know you know. My ouija board told me you helped develop it. Call me clairvoyant.
Love you all

Loujoe

Just having fun people. Bored on the board

Tim Simmons

JimmyV said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I’m excited to see what the vault series will evolve into next! I’m feeling like it will exist solely on Nugs like a lot of their artists live stuff does! 

If it meant we got access to previously unreleased stuff, I would LOVE this. Vinyl is unnecessary and has gotten out of hand. Nugs (or something like it) is the way. 

Digital only vaults don't excite me. I need tangible. 

Tim Simmons

I've said it before. if Vaults are done, I'd love to see a "best of the bootlegs" replace them. Theres tons of officially released shows that would sound great mastered for vinyl.

mace1229

Zod said:

jgregory89 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I think it is done and something else will come and replace it. 

I doubt it.  Vaults are like printing money for them. 

Probably not?  Probably generates a few hundred thousand in profit?  Not all that much when divided 5 days.   They make way more selling merch at concerts, and selling tickets to concerts

That may be true, but its not like Stone is out there pressing the copies himself 12 hours a day for 3 months.
All the work involved for them is someone in management says "Is this show okay for the next vault?"
The band replies "Yes."
A year later, after costs and they split profits 5 ways,  they get a check for 50k in the mail. Not too bad.

mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

JimmyV said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I’m excited to see what the vault series will evolve into next! I’m feeling like it will exist solely on Nugs like a lot of their artists live stuff does! 

If it meant we got access to previously unreleased stuff, I would LOVE this. Vinyl is unnecessary and has gotten out of hand. Nugs (or something like it) is the way. 

Digital only vaults don't excite me. I need tangible. 

Agree. There's already more digitally released shows than I will ever listen to anyway. 

CornishMan

Tim Simmons said:

I've said it before. if Vaults are done, I'd love to see a "best of the bootlegs" replace them. Theres tons of officially released shows that would sound great mastered for vinyl.

Completely agree with this.  I've been assuming there is probably not much left from the pre-bootleg era in their archives (at least not full complete shows of a quality worthy of release), otherwise we probably would have seen them by now, rather than them releasing things like Moline, Las Vegas, Atlanta, The Vic and The Moore which had all previously been officially released in some capacity before they were released as a vault vinyl.  If they had tons of unreleased shows available in the archives surely they would have picked something fresh rather those that were already available?

So assuming that is the case, I'd be more than happy for them to release some of the best shows from the bootleg era on vinyl as part of the vault series.  Any of the Gorge shows, Seattle 2000, Mansfield or MSG 2003, Leeds 2014.  Countless great shows that would be very welcome on vinyl, although I appreciate not everyone is bothered about the vinyl format.

To be honest I prefer many of the bootleg-era shows anyway - With more albums the setlists are more varied and interesting.

jgregory89

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

jgregory89 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I think it is done and something else will come and replace it. 

I doubt it.  Vaults are like printing money for them. 

Probably not?  Probably generates a few hundred thousand in profit?  Not all that much when divided 5 days.   They make way more selling merch at concerts, and selling tickets to concerts

That may be true, but its not like Stone is out there pressing the copies himself 12 hours a day for 3 months.
All the work involved for them is someone in management says "Is this show okay for the next vault?"
The band replies "Yes."
A year later, after costs and they split profits 5 ways,  they get a check for 50k in the mail. Not too bad.

Exactly, easy money for them regardless of how many ways the profit is divided.  It's not like they've got older vaults sitting on the shelf collecting dust in the warehouse, they sell out.

Tim Simmons

Another possibility is I'd love to see them bootleg the bootleggers and do what Neil did with his Official Bootleg Series. I'd love to see those old Import CDs (Chrome Hearts, Kiss the Stone, Blizzard) of radio broadcasts cut to wax and sold with blown up original art from the bootlegs. 

Tim Simmons

and start with these

https://www.discogs.com/release/9929521-Pearl-Jam-Malaria

https://www.discogs.com/release/9692397-Pearl-Jam-Anxiety

https://www.discogs.com/release/6637548-Pearl-Jam-Abandoned

marumaruko

CornishMan said:

Tim Simmons said:

I've said it before. if Vaults are done, I'd love to see a "best of the bootlegs" replace them. Theres tons of officially released shows that would sound great mastered for vinyl.

Completely agree with this.  I've been assuming there is probably not much left from the pre-bootleg era in their archives (at least not full complete shows of a quality worthy of release), otherwise we probably would have seen them by now, rather than them releasing things like Moline, Las Vegas, Atlanta, The Vic and The Moore which had all previously been officially released in some capacity before they were released as a vault vinyl.  If they had tons of unreleased shows available in the archives surely they would have picked something fresh rather those that were already available?

So assuming that is the case, I'd be more than happy for them to release some of the best shows from the bootleg era on vinyl as part of the vault series.  Any of the Gorge shows, Seattle 2000, Mansfield or MSG 2003, Leeds 2014.  Countless great shows that would be very welcome on vinyl, although I appreciate not everyone is bothered about the vinyl format.

To be honest I prefer many of the bootleg-era shows anyway - With more albums the setlists are more varied and interesting.

I also listen to bootlegs primarily (like an easy 80/20 split, I would say) and had to pace myself from buying too many, but a few best-ofs on vinyl - why not? 

mace1229

That's pretty much what the vault series was/is. Half of them were already available in one way or another. And if they've run out of unreleased stuff, just pushing something onto vinyl once a year will be cool. Pretty much what Moline was.

JimmyV

Did they run out of content in the vault or did they realize they could press anything onto vinyl and people would buy it?

Vinyl doesn't interest me. If it does you, great. Enjoy. But vinyl and vault are not synonymous. The vault was always about getting access to unreleased recordings. Shows that were actually in a vault. 

Pressing readily available shows onto wax is something very different. 

mace1229

JimmyV said:

Did they run out of content in the vault or did they realize they could press anything onto vinyl and people would buy it?

Vinyl doesn't interest me. If it does you, great. Enjoy. But vinyl and vault are not synonymous. The vault was always about getting access to unreleased recordings. Shows that were actually in a vault. 

Pressing readily available shows onto wax is something very different. 

I agree (except I do like the vinyl, I just agree with the point of the vault was about getting old, unreleased stuff out). But that seems like what the vault has turned into with 3 or 4 of the more recent releases being available already. Even more if you count 1 and 2. 

PB11041

Brett Eliason has been on record that he mastered around 30 shows for the Vault right off the rip when they asked him and that most were all pre official bootleg series.  So of the releases to date we know that Vault 1 (from PJ 20 and now on Vinyl), 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 fit that description.  But when they did Vault 7 they actually made a point of showing some work being done with the ADAT so that was done on the fly, not pre-baked.

2 was an easy mark when the series was CD only at first.  4 was also a hey that would be easy to press because that show was a test bed for the 2000 release series as two tracks had already been on the Light Years single.  8 and 10 fit that mode and 11 was a matter getting their hands on the mobile sound truck master which was probably a bit of wrangling with Sony to some extent (my guess it they did some agreed haggling to put out a reissue of Lo2L and Give Way).

So logic says there is at minimum around 20 shows that were already done back in 2010-11 by Brett just sitting and waiting, but I think you can reasonably say it may be closer to 25, given the sources for what has been issued to date.

1 of those shows is almost certainly Red Rock 6.20.1995 based on the timing of the 2010 10" single.  

But where the others all fall is anyone's guess.  But in any event there are somewhere between 20-25 that are in the can, unless Brett was misremembering. 

demetrios